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tialynn
Posted - 2007.03.30 20:15:00 - [211]
 

right. keep making excuses, CCP. you yet have to address most player concerns, but you've lost our trust forever. don't blame others - ********** was your customer once, until you decided to screw him for revealing truth about your own mess-up - blame yourself.

//wondering how long it will take for this message to get deleted for one of those pathetic reasons you love to conjure up. gosh, censorship on this forum is worse than in communist Russia.

Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.03.30 20:32:00 - [212]
 

So, its been a couple days. Time for locking? Its not like you care about us or want to answer our questions anyway. If you did, you would have made time for it already, we have yet to see a dev responce concerning 95% of the questions.

Discussion usually involves answers as well. Its easy to blame someone else for your mistakes, but if you dont listen to the advice or want to talk about it, the same **** will happen over and over again. Adapt, learn, evolve Rolling Eyes.

Mjnari
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2007.03.30 20:37:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Malachon Draco
CCP reaps what it sows.

You create a game where metagaming is tolerated and even encouraged, and you will find people who will metagame to an extent that will hurt you. Again very sad that an apparently innocent individual is the victim here, but it is a direct consequence of CCPs own actions and policies. No sympathy from me here for a blog from Kieron, CCP is not a victim here, only the Dev who got outed can claim that position.

Also, you keep avoiding answers to things people want to know. Rumours abound of an ISD 'purge', can you confirm or deny that?

Also, with the GM/player that lost his Mothership, nothing was posted except for a response to a direct question.

Transparancy is more than just answering questions when prodded repeatedly, it is volunteering information we did not have already. So far, I have seen none of that and that doesn't bode well for my faith in your sincerity if you only speak of matters we bring up, and never bring up anything on your own.

QFT.

Originally by: kieron
If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

Erm, this approach isn't working out so well for our current US president, so I might suggest another tack. Yes, you may have a popular/powerful game/military, but if you keep playing Big Brother then you're going to find a lot of metrics start dropping. Like, say, small decisions -- such as whether to open a second account or not, whether to produce community documentation/software or not, and whether to defend you against nay sayers... or not.

Karasuma Akane
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.03.30 20:57:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: kieron
In regards to the demands for 'more transparency', I submit the following: Transparency- The full, accurate, and timely disclosure of information.

That's somewhat of a reactive approach to 'transparency', only disclosing public-relations-friendly summaries of information after an incident has occurred.

A better and more proactive regime of true transparency would include CCP publicly posting the rules that employees are expected to abide by while using their personal characters (for example). Even after all the 'scandal', we still have no idea what fixes have been implemented that would deter such problems in the future (such as requiring employees to resign leadership roles in player corporations or quit playing within the major alliances). That would be real transparency, not keeping such standards (if they exist) secret - and thus able to be circumvented in the future. Sad

To echo what Karmae stated...
Quote:
All we need is to see that you're past mistakes are not being repeated and that progress is being made to ensure this never EVER happens again. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING.
We don't see anything concrete that has been done, aside from vague assurances that CCP is Taking Action and a virtual condescending pat on the head to the playerbase, being told Don't Worry because there is IA now... though what policies (if any) they are enforcing, we don't know. Neutral

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.03.30 21:07:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Maya Rkell
When did SirMolle hack forums, post the identity of devs, act in bad faith to CCP and break international laws? Your support for a criminal hacker is nothing less than sickening. Technical hacks of forums ARE a crime where the forum was hosted, and THAT is the important point.

This stains everthing you will ever do, as far as I'm concerned.


First, there is no international law about hacking forums. There are no international laws about hacking. There are no international laws about trivial crimes either. Each country has its laws. Do not try to force yours, if it is a crime in yours, what I highly doubt, into others.

Second, CCP is no international police. They had nothing to do with the site that was hacked. Or are you saying BoB is actually a CCP subsidiary firm?

And Last, hacking or not Sirmolle broke exactly the same rule. The means by which he got his information are irrelevant. If said hacker was punished so should be Sirmolle. If he wasn't it is once again ccp playing favorites...

maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
Posted - 2007.03.30 21:23:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
So, its been a couple days. Time for locking? Its not like you care about us or want to answer our questions anyway. If you did, you would have made time for it already, we have yet to see a dev responce concerning 95% of the questions.

Discussion usually involves answers as well. Its easy to blame someone else for your mistakes, but if you dont listen to the advice or want to talk about it, the same **** will happen over and over again. Adapt, learn, evolve Rolling Eyes.


It seems to me that the Dev Blogs are more and more turning into a place where CCP can whine whenever they feel treated wrong... Just like a normal whine, whenever the whiner is exposed to be a hypocrit said whiner suddenly becomes very silent... Rolling Eyes

s4mp3r0r
ZiTek
Posted - 2007.03.30 23:35:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Gutsani
So, its been a couple days. Time for locking? Its not like you care about us or want to answer our questions anyway. If you did, you would have made time for it already, we have yet to see a dev responce concerning 95% of the questions.

Discussion usually involves answers as well. Its easy to blame someone else for your mistakes, but if you dont listen to the advice or want to talk about it, the same **** will happen over and over again. Adapt, learn, evolve Rolling Eyes.


It seems to me that the Dev Blogs are more and more turning into a place where CCP can whine whenever they feel treated wrong... Just like a normal whine, whenever the whiner is exposed to be a hypocrit said whiner suddenly becomes very silent... Rolling Eyes


QFT

Diamond Dog
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.03.31 00:40:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Diamond Dog on 31/03/2007 00:45:34
Edited by: Diamond Dog on 31/03/2007 00:38:23
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Diamond Dog
Originally by: El'Niaga


They didn't enforce any limit in JV1V.

They did here.





Are you actually supprised?

JV1V crashed a number of times during that siege.


And now you scream foul play when ccp actually tries to make something happen.

Yes you're totally right.

CCP are obviously playing favorites...

/sarcasm



What about posting with your main, Mr. Brutor Tribe. I am sure it would be quite amusing. Rolling Eyes /sarcasm


Ohh please.

If you actually did some research other than looking at a corp tag instead of jumping to conclusions and talking out of your ass you'd see this is my main character.

Some info for you.

Characters date of birth is 2003.05.06

I've just recently returned from a 2 year break.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.03.31 04:08:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.




No I'm not misled, you and SirMolle have both in the past posted personal information about other players and neither of you have been punished.

There are screenshots that show JV1V having over 800 during the battle, no limit was imposed.

You perhaps had fun because the game rule enforcement was changed to favor you side without informing the general gaming community.

You set up your defenses in such a manner that the limit assisted you and one could easily deduce that from your defense setup you were aware of the limit prior to the engagement yesterday, and you could only have known that they'd decided to enforce it when previously they hadn't was if some GM or Dev told you when they did not tell any other members of the community.

Once again it is clear that CCP has to close a relationship with Band of Brothers. Once again the rules are bent and remolded to favor BoB.

I challenge CCP to prove that they have equal numbers of devs in all alliances. Because quite frankly I don't believe it. The record of BoB not being punished for EULA violations is long, while at the same time others have been harshly punished for the same or similar violations.

Matrix Aran
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.31 07:27:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.




No I'm not misled, you and SirMolle have both in the past posted personal information about other players and neither of you have been punished.

There are screenshots that show JV1V having over 800 during the battle, no limit was imposed.

You perhaps had fun because the game rule enforcement was changed to favor you side without informing the general gaming community.

You set up your defenses in such a manner that the limit assisted you and one could easily deduce that from your defense setup you were aware of the limit prior to the engagement yesterday, and you could only have known that they'd decided to enforce it when previously they hadn't was if some GM or Dev told you when they did not tell any other members of the community.

Once again it is clear that CCP has to close a relationship with Band of Brothers. Once again the rules are bent and remolded to favor BoB.

I challenge CCP to prove that they have equal numbers of devs in all alliances. Because quite frankly I don't believe it. The record of BoB not being punished for EULA violations is long, while at the same time others have been harshly punished for the same or similar violations.


Interesting thought. Here's another one. Has anyone stopped to think that there may be an equal number of people breaking the rules in every other alliance in game? The only reason they go unheard of is noone wants to dig out the skeletons in thier own closet. With the amount of people selling isk, macro mining and otherwise being evil you'd expect the forums to be filled with the tripe.

Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2007.03.31 07:42:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Matrix Aran
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.




No I'm not misled, you and SirMolle have both in the past posted personal information about other players and neither of you have been punished.

There are screenshots that show JV1V having over 800 during the battle, no limit was imposed.

You perhaps had fun because the game rule enforcement was changed to favor you side without informing the general gaming community.

You set up your defenses in such a manner that the limit assisted you and one could easily deduce that from your defense setup you were aware of the limit prior to the engagement yesterday, and you could only have known that they'd decided to enforce it when previously they hadn't was if some GM or Dev told you when they did not tell any other members of the community.

Once again it is clear that CCP has to close a relationship with Band of Brothers. Once again the rules are bent and remolded to favor BoB.

I challenge CCP to prove that they have equal numbers of devs in all alliances. Because quite frankly I don't believe it. The record of BoB not being punished for EULA violations is long, while at the same time others have been harshly punished for the same or similar violations.


Interesting thought. Here's another one. Has anyone stopped to think that there may be an equal number of people breaking the rules in every other alliance in game? The only reason they go unheard of is noone wants to dig out the skeletons in thier own closet. With the amount of people selling isk, macro mining and otherwise being evil you'd expect the forums to be filled with the tripe.



Of course a possibility. But lets look at it like this. There are at least 10 big alliances in this game (say 1000 members or more). You would think that if this indeed just a random thing, each of these 10 would accuse some of the other 9 of it whenever they lost a fight. However, that is not the case. All these alliances, who often are certainly no friends of these alliances either accuse noone of having Devs, or they accuse BoB. Noone ever accused RA or AAA or D2 or IRON or RAZOR etc. of getting favored by developers. Only BoB. Over and Over again.

If your assumption was right, there would be many more alliances where these kinds of accusations would be made, however, fact is there are no (or extremely few) accusations of Dev involvement, except for BoB.

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2007.03.31 12:56:00 - [222]
 

Be smart, don't let K frack up your brains.

CCP are people too that will make mistakes. But yet its completely normal that all their personal lives from the last 4 years are scrutinized by someone with a vengange. It its taking things too far and it must stop.


Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.03.31 13:41:00 - [223]
 

K, how about you let me tell you lot how the situation is. Rolling Eyes

This T20fool got like outed by this kugutsufool, outed for cheating. T20fool gotten whoknowswhat since noon tells us anything. Apperantly he didnt lose his job, so well ... meh. Next thing that happens is this T20fool cheats again, giving some free T2 bpo's, on a different character. Noon tells us anything though, got outed again.

Current situation, T20fool yet again helping a BoB friendly corp/alliance. I think kugutsufool is quite correct in outing him, this guy cant be trusted. It shouldnt go to far in outing personal information, hence since thats a serious violation of the privacy and can give you between 3 months and 6 years in jail, in each country of the EU.

So, how about you lot stop your "crusade bull****", maybe even talk with the guy to solve it. And especially stop claiming you are transparant. My **** is more transparant then CCP Rolling Eyes

RaBbLe66
Amarr
Amarr Dissidents Club
Posted - 2007.03.31 13:51:00 - [224]
 

So Kieron...

Wil this be another mega thread full of valid concerns from the playerbase, thats because it gets "uncomfortable" for CCP gets the content totally ignored?


When will you get the message that whitewashing and ignoring those concerns will not make them go away.

Start to actually enter a "MEANINGFULL" dialogue with the disguntled playerbase
and see what more CCP needs to do to start to regain the trust in the game.

Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.03.31 14:55:00 - [225]
 

Kierion is just trying to spread FUD. CCPs attempt to clear their name have not worked as intended and they are now trying to discredit K instead. Kireon got nothing to say that proves this is anything else than the usual metagaming that CCP seems to love, so it is just mudslinging. I got no problem with CCP wanting to engage K in a metagaming contest, but it doesnt make CCP look any better in my eyes.

Blade Bleed
Celestial Mayhem
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2007.03.31 18:38:00 - [226]
 

I fail to see the point of a comment thread to this dev blog.

Its not like any real response or the metagaming is going to stop.

Its not like we will EVER know the whole truth about how much metagaming is going on.

So whats the point, your customers with any sense know your full of it and yet we keep playing and paying you are hard earned money so why care?

Oh wait... you dont.

DB Preacher
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.03.31 18:51:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.




No I'm not misled, you and SirMolle have both in the past posted personal information about other players and neither of you have been punished.

There are screenshots that show JV1V having over 800 during the battle, no limit was imposed.

You perhaps had fun because the game rule enforcement was changed to favor you side without informing the general gaming community.

You set up your defenses in such a manner that the limit assisted you and one could easily deduce that from your defense setup you were aware of the limit prior to the engagement yesterday, and you could only have known that they'd decided to enforce it when previously they hadn't was if some GM or Dev told you when they did not tell any other members of the community.



No, I didn't release personal information, more baa baa.

Secondly, read what I wrote concerning the fight if you are actually going to bother replying to me.

If we had wanted to lock a system down because we knew there was a limit then why wasn't everyone and their dog in f-t 12 hours before the fight, during the fight or after the fight?

Oh yeah, it's because someone's brothers uncles dog told you that we had done this regardless of both sides fraps and screenies showing that this isn't the case.

Laughing

Seriously, if you want to hate BoB, hate BoB but don't post a pile of garbage that I can refute and make you look like an idiot at the same time.

cheers,
dbp

Blade Bleed
Celestial Mayhem
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2007.03.31 19:12:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.




No I'm not misled, you and SirMolle have both in the past posted personal information about other players and neither of you have been punished.

There are screenshots that show JV1V having over 800 during the battle, no limit was imposed.

You perhaps had fun because the game rule enforcement was changed to favor you side without informing the general gaming community.

You set up your defenses in such a manner that the limit assisted you and one could easily deduce that from your defense setup you were aware of the limit prior to the engagement yesterday, and you could only have known that they'd decided to enforce it when previously they hadn't was if some GM or Dev told you when they did not tell any other members of the community.



No, I didn't release personal information, more baa baa.

Secondly, read what I wrote concerning the fight if you are actually going to bother replying to me.

If we had wanted to lock a system down because we knew there was a limit then why wasn't everyone and their dog in f-t 12 hours before the fight, during the fight or after the fight?

Oh yeah, it's because someone's brothers uncles dog told you that we had done this regardless of both sides fraps and screenies showing that this isn't the case.

Laughing

Seriously, if you want to hate BoB, hate BoB but don't post a pile of garbage that I can refute and make you look like an idiot at the same time.

cheers,
dbp


Yea!!! bob doesnt cheat, never has cheated, never will cheat, and oh... no devs has or ever will be a member of bob when will the rest of eve learn? Rolling Eyes

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.03.31 19:40:00 - [229]
 


Got to re-iterate:

This is the most disappointing Dev Blog in a long while.

Appreciate Kieron is just trying to manage some peoples' insaciable (sp?) appetite for gossip, but really if this is all we get from devs for the last 2 weeks or whatever?

Frygok
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.03.31 20:18:00 - [230]
 

Edited by: Frygok on 31/03/2007 20:15:16
Well, I for one am utterly disappointed. I don't a flying hoot about the K-person. He did one good thing, and caught a cheating dev. How he did it I do not know, but I doubt it was legit.

However, kieron talks about transparency. Transparency? I must have missed that.

1. Why does a gm/dev have to keep their identity secret?

2. What is CCP's stance on gm/devs in leading alliance positions?

3. What does CCP feel about gm/devs becoming very good friends with certain groups and their ability to do their job, especially in the light of the t20 scandal(EDIT: This is not referring to the specific alliance or dev in question, but in general terms)?

4. What is CCP's role about gm's replying to petitions made from good friends, alliance mates, or for that matter hated enemies?

5. How is the IA stuff coming along? Anything happened? A certain number of GM/Devs have been checked and found clean? ANYTHING?

I might have missed the answers to some of the questions, but so far all I have seen is blank silence on defining the gm roles versus them playing the game as normal players. Can they be objective? And how is this being ensured?

These are some of the questions that should be answered, and have been brought forward by this community time and time again since the scandal. Yet the thread has conviniently been unstickied, and left to drop.

Lastly, telling people to go away if they don't like the way you communicate is suicidal. I for one won't stick around if that is the way it's going to be(HI Pirates of the Burning Sea).

I am still here because this is a great game, and I hope more transparency will be seen, instead of random blogs and then ignoring the questions that would clarify alot of things.

maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
Posted - 2007.03.31 22:11:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: maGz on 31/03/2007 22:08:29
Originally by: Frygok


Lastly, telling people to go away if they don't like the way you communicate is suicidal. I for one won't stick around if that is the way it's going to be(HI Pirates of the Burning Sea).




Important quote here - it's obvious that currently no other mmorpg has the ability to draw the larger part of the EVE community away from EVE, hence CCP can act the way they do. However it's going to be interesting to see what happens, once a mmorpg that presents itself as a proper alternative to EVE. To some extent I can't help but laugh at the fact that what CCP are doing right now, might come back and bite them in the ass so hard, that they can't sit down again... (crap pun there btw Razz)

M Sullivan
Posted - 2007.04.01 01:08:00 - [232]
 

jesus....this is just getting silly.

I'll just say this, reading around will "enlighten" you alot.
I'm not suprised they stopped answering, this is a no win situation for em.




raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
Posted - 2007.04.01 01:55:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Gridcrash
Originally by: Spoon Thumb

I was hoping for something more exciting in new Dev blog Sad



QFT.

Nothing good is going to come from giving this guy any attention; some people just have way too much time on their hands.

How is ambulation going? Planetary interaction? Any metrics on the voice chat yet? Planned improvements to invention? More thoughts on tech2? Tons of stuff I would rather read about in the blog...

-Grid

ccp has thousands of former players wonder how many are upset with them.

raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
Posted - 2007.04.01 01:57:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/03/2007 18:06:34
Do you guys recall the case wit The Enslaver? It's just another similar case; A CCP employee gave information that a certain international law violating twerp managed to get a hold of and link with an IP Address.

The Blog is serving as a warning to people that giving away too much personal information can cause problems for everybody, and is attempting to inform the community that another "incident" has taken place.

Those of you who are defending said twerp are out of place in your defense here. One person is out an account just because they work with CCP and a twerp thinks he's doing the world a favor by ruining people's main characters, generally without further provocation or excuse.

How righteous of him. Rolling Eyes

so they change the name cant be any harder then changing a file name

raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
Posted - 2007.04.01 03:49:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Matrix Aran
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.




No I'm not misled, you and SirMolle have both in the past posted personal information about other players and neither of you have been punished.

There are screenshots that show JV1V having over 800 during the battle, no limit was imposed.

You perhaps had fun because the game rule enforcement was changed to favor you side without informing the general gaming community.

You set up your defenses in such a manner that the limit assisted you and one could easily deduce that from your defense setup you were aware of the limit prior to the engagement yesterday, and you could only have known that they'd decided to enforce it when previously they hadn't was if some GM or Dev told you when they did not tell any other members of the community.

Once again it is clear that CCP has to close a relationship with Band of Brothers. Once again the rules are bent and remolded to favor BoB.

I challenge CCP to prove that they have equal numbers of devs in all alliances. Because quite frankly I don't believe it. The record of BoB not being punished for EULA violations is long, while at the same time others have been harshly punished for the same or similar violations.


Interesting thought. Here's another one. Has anyone stopped to think that there may be an equal number of people breaking the rules in every other alliance in game? The only reason they go unheard of is noone wants to dig out the skeletons in thier own closet. With the amount of people selling isk, macro mining and otherwise being evil you'd expect the forums to be filled with the tripe.



Of course a possibility. But lets look at it like this. There are at least 10 big alliances in this game (say 1000 members or more). You would think that if this indeed just a random thing, each of these 10 would accuse some of the other 9 of it whenever they lost a fight. However, that is not the case. All these alliances, who often are certainly no friends of these alliances either accuse noone of having Devs, or they accuse BoB. Noone ever accused RA or AAA or D2 or IRON or RAZOR etc. of getting favored by developers. Only BoB. Over and Over again.

If your assumption was right, there would be many more alliances where these kinds of accusations would be made, however, fact is there are no (or extremely few) accusations of Dev involvement, except for BoB.


not true as LV accused ccp of adding goons with the instant sov they gained in omist. just bobs developers are better then d2s developers.

raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
Posted - 2007.04.01 04:00:00 - [236]
 




Yea!!! bob doesnt cheat, never has cheated, never will cheat, and oh... no devs has or ever will be a member of bob when will the rest of eve learn? Rolling Eyes


Oh get real the developers are there to get information as to where they should add processing power for major engagements. the fact that bob suckered a lot of capitals into a trap with a leaked story wont change that.

raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
Posted - 2007.04.01 04:03:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: maGz
Edited by: maGz on 31/03/2007 22:08:29
Originally by: Frygok


Lastly, telling people to go away if they don't like the way you communicate is suicidal. I for one won't stick around if that is the way it's going to be(HI Pirates of the Burning Sea).




Important quote here - it's obvious that currently no other mmorpg has the ability to draw the larger part of the EVE community away from EVE, hence CCP can act the way they do. However it's going to be interesting to see what happens, once a mmorpg that presents itself as a proper alternative to EVE. To some extent I can't help but laugh at the fact that what CCP are doing right now, might come back and bite them in the ass so hard, that they can't sit down again... (crap pun there btw Razz)


If there was one i would be gone. ccp's idea of a mmorpg is that its all gangs fighting all the time.

Mjnari
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2007.04.01 04:46:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: M Sullivan
jesus....this is just getting silly.

I'll just say this, reading around will "enlighten" you alot.
I'm not suprised they stopped answering, this is a no win situation for em.

Hehe, but not being able to win doesn't mean you still can't mitigate loses. Imo, silence isn't doing that. ugh

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.04.01 07:27:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher

Chest beating
dbp


DB I've seen the posts, you did indeed post what could be considered personal information, just as your copatriot SirMolle has. I will grant the case against SirMolle is more clear than yours, but still it remains that you did post things that could be considered personal information.

As for how you set up your defenses, It looks suspicious, it isn't guaranteed that there was DEV/GM misconduct this time, but it is certainly possible.

If you'd crammed 700 people into one system and noone could jump in they would have immediately known. I've never accused you of being stupid or SirMolle either, your both pretty smart and would have realised that. So you put a lesser force in it and the surrounding systems. You put 450+ ships in the main system. You thought that would be sufficient to destroy any coalition forces that entered.

You had thought they would engage your ships rather than the POS though. It just goes to show a dedicated assassin can't be stopped.

Anyway that's what it appears like from my perspective.

BoB's hands have proven to be dirty before, and that cloud will forever remain until CCP comes clean and transparent on the in game activities of its empoloyees.

DB Preacher
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.04.01 10:12:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga

If you'd crammed 700 people into one system and noone could jump in they would have immediately known. I've never accused you of being stupid or SirMolle either, your both pretty smart and would have realised that. So you put a lesser force in it and the surrounding systems. You put 450+ ships in the main system. You thought that would be sufficient to destroy any coalition forces that entered.

You had thought they would engage your ships rather than the POS though. It just goes to show a dedicated assassin can't be stopped.

Anyway that's what it appears like from my perspective.


No it's not from your perspective, it's blatantly someone else's that you are just spilling onto the forums without reading what I wrote.

We had ~200 inside F-T, not 400, not 450, not 700. Once the hostiles were INSIDE, it peaked at around 450.

Seriously, stop digging yourself a hole in some vain effort to look for something that isn't there.

dbp


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