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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.03.30 03:13:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 30/03/2007 03:22:25
Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
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A further reminder from the Forum Rules, specifically rule 8:

Originally by: Forum Rules
No posting of personal information
Please respect the privacy of other Eve players and do not give out information such as phone numbers and addresses.

Gut Punch
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.03.30 03:30:00 - [182]
 

*snip* If you wish to discuss moderation please email mods@ccpgames.com - thanks Hutch

Diamond Dog
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.03.30 04:00:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Matrix Aran

Companies like Blizzard and SOE have as much transperancy as a brick wall. They treat thier customers far worse than CCP could ever do and yet they still hold onto a huge share of the online gaming industry.


I have found Blizzard's customer service excellent, every time I have needed to post on their technical support forums I've had helpful and polite answers in my own language (German) within a few hours.

Also, as far as developer misconduct is concerned, it isn't a problem with WoW, there is no detrimental effect on other players there.




Blizzard customer service is about as good as a bucket without a bottom.

For months thousands of players were having problems playing wow because of high latency..

Blizzards classic answer was something along those lines..

"It's not us it you"

Even the GM program in WoW is rubbish.

All you get is Macroed responses which actually don't help you at all, GM's have no power to do anything at all.

As for Devs and Wow I doubt they play WoW much.. They have an inhouse testing team that is inefficient and the WoW population gets content with gamebreaking bugs as a result.

Also Blizzard's Community management is crap. There are no feedbacks from blizzard regarding the concerns of the communities be it pvp/pve.

Yeah Blizzard really is a posterchild of how things should be run.

At least CCP care.

Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.03.30 06:25:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 30/03/2007 06:21:21
Originally by: Evelgrivion

A further reminder from the Forum Rules, specifically rule 8:

No posting of personal information
respect the privacy of other Eve players


********** is not an eve player.


Ian Novarider
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.03.30 06:42:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Ian Novarider on 30/03/2007 07:06:35

>>>>
you sir truly need to GET OVER what personal problem you have with dbp. personal attacks like that are uncalled for and pretty childish tbh. this kinda of crap should be kept off of dev info threads and kept in game. if ya dont like him war dec him. or send him an eve mail

this is for discussion about 3rd party site security and a disgruntled ex eve player with a vendetta.
>>>>

dbp was discussing a point, i elaborate on his point and present a different opinion. It was no personal attack. He suggests to keep "identities" used on different websites and in game seperate, with no similarities to link them together. I think that one should post with the same identity on all media. I have a rather strong opinion about it, as I see the possibility of alt identities abused so much on forums.

Have fun

Ian


PS:

After reading again my post on the last page .. a clarification. "You" does not refer to dbp but to the reader of the post. I ask the reader to not be spineless and not use multiple identities. This may have caused some confusion and given the impression that this post is a personal attack against dbp. I fully agree with the GM that using different passwords is a must. I do not agree with the GMs assessment that there is only one lonely disgruntled ex-EVE player waging a private war against CCP. I think its CCP that needs to clean up their act and that they handled this affair badly - the vendetta is a symptom of an illness, not the cause.


David H'Levi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.03.30 08:12:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
Childlike indeed. It seems our friend has found comfortable niche from which he can both inflict 'realistic' harm unto people, and avoid prosecution by virtue of residing someplace no laws to punish his crime of choice exist. He also seems to have the sort of appetite for fame in print that would ordinarily be restricted to Paris Hilton or Nicole Richie.


Does he have an appetite for infamy? Sure, talk to him for 30 seconds and you'll see that. Is he doing something that might be less than fully legitimate IN YOUR COUNTRY, UNDER YOUR LAWS? It's possible, I don't know your laws that well, though. Is he "avoiding prosecution" by living somewhere else? Sure, for any past crimes he committed in countries WHERE HIS ACTIONS WERE ILLEGAL. Is he currently committing any crimes? Nope, or else CCP would have taken action.

Does any of that change the fact that he's angry with CCP for bungling the t20 incident, banning his accounts, and refusing to revise or enforce their Dev/GM Conduct Policy (at least for several months when they knew t20 had given out BPOs and we didn't, while denying it vehemently)? Nope.

He's only out of line if (a) he's breaking any of his country's laws (he is not) or (b) he doesn't have reasonable motivations for what he is doing. I think that it has been amply demonstrated that CCP has internal problems with GM/Dev corruption on some level. What worries me far, far more is that they seem to have internal problems with handling GM/Dev corruption ("t20, you gave out free T2 BPOs...? Oh well, we're understaffed, let them KEEP THE BPOS, stay in the alliance, and we'll sweep it under the rug for six months." Oops!). I'd at least like to know who the devs/GMs are, so that I can keep an eye on the Good Old Boys.

Uinen
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.03.30 08:15:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/03/2007 12:29:47
Ah the poor attempts of desperation from the ignored boy looking to find something, anything that will fill the void now he can't mess about with his snigg buddies.

"Hey look, I found a ccp ip address and therefore must reveal it to my buddies to make epeen extend. It doesn't matter anymore that I don't have anything other than "this dude is a dev" but no-one is noticing yet so I'll just keep doing this till finally the eve public realises that i'm hassling innocent ccp members in some vain attempt to get noticed, then i'll just insult a bunch of those same peeps and close the site down pretending I have had a change of heart."

Quite ironic the amount of time he spent trying to get me banned or kicking out of bob really.

Much <3 to those who are rubbing the sleep from their eyes and realising the insignificant pettiness of this dude.

Also, I know peeps weren't interested in bob's warnings back when the site was created but please, if you are going to register on that site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.

Don't think that it couldn't be used to hunt for devs or information in your alliance next even if you think that they are "on your side".

dbp


That guy youre talking about ('he') have done much more for EVE than you and he earned already respect from many players.

Robin Sherwood
Posted - 2007.03.30 09:37:00 - [188]
 

Meh, devblogs have been the last place I would expect to find craploads of FUD ugh

Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
Posted - 2007.03.30 10:52:00 - [189]
 

Why do we keep getting these poor us Blogs instead of real blogs about the game?

Why was the public not informed of the decision to enforce a 700 pilot limit on yesterdays battle, after such was not enforced in any previous battle including JV1V?

Don't you think your blog time would have been better spent telling why the software failed in JV1V and what you were doing about it, rather than continually bringing up someone that you want to forget?

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.03.30 12:02:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: kieron

If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.



If I was the CEO of your company and the PR director ever said a thing like this he would be fired ASAP.

You are basically hostilizing your community, from which your money comes. I know that I will make sure this quote goes to all game related forums I know.

Unfortunately I am not a citizen of Iceland or I would additionally sue you. In my country there are at least a dozen laws you broke by cheating with the game you created, regardless of your EULA. I am sure it is the same there.

Maybe we can find enough Icelandish players to open a class action against you. This way maybe you would be serious and honest about your business, and not behave as a 5 years old who lost and wants to take his ball and end the game.

We pay for a service that was unreasonably tampered deviating for the transparence and integrity you announce. You have arbitrarly punished someone who made us the huge favor of opening our eyes. Now how dare you come here and lecture us, Kieron? How dare you?

Start being humble. Admite you screwed. Fix your mistakes. And maybe, just maybe, you won't kill your game and possibly your company.

Gigi Barbagrigia
Malevolent Intentions
Posted - 2007.03.30 12:05:00 - [191]
 

One you would be better off without kieron. BTW, vendetta=revenge Wink

To the righteous preaching fairness in video games, grow up. And get a greenie.

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.03.30 12:12:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Gigi Barbagrigia
One you would be better off without kieron. BTW, vendetta=revenge Wink

To the righteous preaching fairness in video games, grow up. And get a greenie.


I am preaching about fairness in business. I pay to play this game. They accepted my money. They have obligations towards me.

If you think they don't I want to sell you a few things, because you are the perfect customer. The one who pays don't get what he payed for and disapears.

EglantinFinfleur
Selectus Pravus Lupus
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2007.03.30 13:05:00 - [193]
 

Subscription ended. Not that anyone cares.

Tired of the alt-necessity, metagaming crap, ganking for winning, griefing seen as cool, bob-this bob-that and said bob fat nerd arrogance, and of ccp's inability to deal with the dvs/gm/isd issues.

They should create a corp or alliance with ccp's employees, that would just be more simpler. They wouldn't be thousands, and wouldn't dominate anything, as they work 12+ hrs a day.
They could have fun playing the game in a very simple way.

Diamond Dog
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.03.30 13:50:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: EglantinFinfleur
Subscription ended. Not that anyone cares.

Tired of the alt-necessity, metagaming crap, ganking for winning, griefing seen as cool, bob-this bob-that and said bob fat nerd arrogance, and of ccp's inability to deal with the dvs/gm/isd issues.

They should create a corp or alliance with ccp's employees, that would just be more simpler. They wouldn't be thousands, and wouldn't dominate anything, as they work 12+ hrs a day.
They could have fun playing the game in a very simple way.


Which of course is your choice.

As one being on the guy's list of suspected "BOBOMGDEVSPLOITGM" alttho not having touched eve for almost a year before that scandal erupted and not having played eve for more than a month in the last 2 years I would think that should allow me to take what ever that guy claims with a grain of salt.

I guess I should feel insulted with the slander campaign aimed at me and every other icelandic player out there who has ever been in a BoB corporation. What bothers me is the crusade aimed at CCP.

But I'm not because I know most if not all of those accusations are false.

Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.03.30 13:57:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 30/03/2007 13:56:02
Originally by: David H'Levi
I'd at least like to know who the devs/GMs are, so that I can keep an eye on the Good Old Boys.


Would you like to know the ones who are in AAA too? How about Goonswarm or Morsus Mihi? I find it very curious that kugu is as selective about those he reveals. It is no longer about corrpution he once alleged, as people on his very forum are beginning to plainly see, but about sensationalism and keeping his name in the headlines the moment people begin to move on.

Yes, t20 cheated. he has been harshly reprimanded for it. Saying that ccp's internal policies on prosecuting such offences is, in light of information that has come out, a little silly. Then again, such things are mostly repeated time and again by the same people who think bob is entirely comprised of developers, with the customer support staff acting as their cheerleaders.

As you might notice from my corp ticker, I'm the last person to accuse of bob fandom. But, for god's sake, consider for a moment the game where developers motto has from the start been 'we're making the game we want to play' and some fellow attempting to disrupt their personal enjoyment of the game for what he has shown to be little else than just shamelessly clamouring for internet fame.

I must also point out to you that when an act you are comitting is not a prosecutable offense in the country it is being comitted, whether you are a national of a country it is deemed illegal in does matter (eg: age statues in country of origin superceding local age of consent.)Although indonesia has no laws against **********'s conduct, france very much does. I would imagine going abroad may one day prove a little complicated. Lets not argue over semantics.


Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.03.30 14:08:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo

Yes, t20 cheated. he has been harshly reprimanded for it. Saying that ccp's internal policies on prosecuting such offences is, in light of information that has come out, a little silly. Then again, such things are mostly repeated time and again by the same people who think bob is entirely comprised of developers, with the customer support staff acting as their cheerleaders.



"You were a bad boy T20. Now you go to bed without your dessert. Bad boy." - CCP's harsh punishment...


Quote:
As you might notice from my corp ticker, I'm the last person to accuse of bob fandom. But, for god's sake, consider for a moment the game where developers motto has from the start been 'we're making the game we want to play' and some fellow attempting to disrupt their personal enjoyment of the game for what he has shown to be little else than just shamelessly clamouring for internet fame.


There are several ways of playing a game without cheating and messing with it completely...

Quote:
I must also point out to you that when an act you are comitting is not a prosecutable offense in the country it is being comitted, whether you are a national of a country it is deemed illegal in does matter (eg: age statues in country of origin superceding local age of consent.)Although indonesia has no laws against **********'s conduct, france very much does. I would imagine going abroad may one day prove a little complicated. Lets not argue over semantics.



French laws apply to French citizens and people who comite unlawful acts in French territory. You can dellude yourself that Internet is your territory as much as US if you want, with about the same results...

Comercial agreements and contract of services with the exchange of money are covered by international law, though. As the one we have with CCP.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.03.30 14:48:00 - [197]
 

Once again, the security benefits of changing your password are mythological at best.

See:
here (under Snooping)
here
discussion here
here
here
However, password changes tend to annoy users, and users are more likely to forget passwords if they regularly change them, which increases the number of support center calls. Even worse, frequently changing passwords can cause users to write down passwords, which increases the chance that the password can be more easily compromised by an attacker.

Take the password quiz found here. I got a -13 though I disagree with much of the advice, I imagine the majority of users do much, much worse.

Here's a great one:
Quote:
What are the benefits of regularly changing my password?
Your Your Clique password will expire every 45 days. The requirement to change passwords regularly is part of Australian Executor Trustees's security policy and is widely adopted by other service providers and considered to be an industry standard. As Your Clique contains your clients' sensitive personal details, we believe all efforts should be pursued to ensure the security of this information.
(found here)

Which, despite meaningless buzzphrases like "industry standard" amounts to, "everybody does it"

Where I work our freaking VOICE MAIL passwords expire. So guess what? My voice mail password is written on a post-it right next to my phone with the previous password crossed out.

The initial part of the password that I have to use for authentication is ALSO written down, albeit in coded form on a different post-it stuck to my monitor.

If you force people to make their passwords too complex or change too frequently the just write them down. And when forced to change your password nobody ever does anything but increment a number on the end of it. It's common knowledge. Common knowledge that people trying to brute force crack a password know just as well as you and I.

Stop propagating the myth that changing your password is a good thing.

Every single proponent of a changing password policy that I've seen either gives a completely unqualified statement or parrots the bunk statement that either:
1) A frequently changed password gives an attacker less time to brute force it
2) A frequently changed password gives an attacker less time to use it

Both of which are bunk.

1) A reasonably secure password will take years to brute force in a system that locks a user out after a small number of failed attempts per day/time period. Expiring it any sooner just annoys the user and may lead to them writing it down.
1) An attacker that has a password needs at most minutes to copy, ruin, compromise, destroy, remove etc. So unless you cause a password to expire every minute, it doesn't help with this one at all.

The benefits of forcing users to change their passwords are purely fanciful. Knock it off.

Good policies are complex passwords with no dictionary words in any language, no proper nouns etc. On top of systems that lock the user out after 4-5 attempts.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.30 14:49:00 - [198]
 

I wish you guys would be more clear in these dev blogs, you know. This one was so vague and tantalising, I've actually had to go over to he-who-cannot-be-named's site just to see what the scandal is this time.

Yes yes, I know, he now knows my IP, but I'm deathly unexciting, so he's welcome to it Razz


Still, if you're trying to limit the traffic to his forums, not giving us a reason to go there might be smart.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.03.30 14:51:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: kieron

If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.



If I was the CEO of your company and the PR director ever said a thing like this he would be fired ASAP.

You are basically hostilizing your community, from which your money comes. I know that I will make sure this quote goes to all game related forums I know.

Unfortunately I am not a citizen of Iceland or I would additionally sue you. In my country there are at least a dozen laws you broke by cheating with the game you created, regardless of your EULA. I am sure it is the same there.

Maybe we can find enough Icelandish players to open a class action against you. This way maybe you would be serious and honest about your business, and not behave as a 5 years old who lost and wants to take his ball and end the game.

We pay for a service that was unreasonably tampered deviating for the transparence and integrity you announce. You have arbitrarly punished someone who made us the huge favor of opening our eyes. Now how dare you come here and lecture us, Kieron? How dare you?

Start being humble. Admite you screwed. Fix your mistakes. And maybe, just maybe, you won't kill your game and possibly your company.


*sigh*

This is what killed SWG. When the NGE came out, folks like Julio Torres ( at the time LucasArts Producer for SWG) and Jonathan Smedley (president of SOE) came out saying things similar to what Kieron has said. They actually were a bit harsher and tole their customers point blank that they didn't need them.

Everyone spread that on the forums all over the internet. Its what caused the real furor against SOE and SWG that ensued and continues to haunt the game today.

You need to chose your words very carefully. Add to recent allegations about favortism towards Band of Brothers the events of the last night when a previously never enforced cap on the number of ships in a system was enforced in a battle which involved attacking a BoB Capital Shipyard. And the fact of how quickly a news article appeared on the battle compared to past battles such as JV1V and clearly you have a powderkeg waiting to go off.

If you had told folks you were going to enforce the limit after JV1V I'd have no problem. But to me at least on the surface this appears to be another time BoB has been favored by CCP directly. Rules changed to favor them, even if was only changing how existing rules were enforced.

I don't think it was your intention to favor them, I give you the benefit of the doubt. But it looks very bad on the surface.




RossP Zoyka
Posted - 2007.03.30 15:17:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: kieron

If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.



If I was the CEO of your company and the PR director ever said a thing like this he would be fired ASAP.

You are basically hostilizing your community, from which your money comes. I know that I will make sure this quote goes to all game related forums I know.

Unfortunately I am not a citizen of Iceland or I would additionally sue you. In my country there are at least a dozen laws you broke by cheating with the game you created, regardless of your EULA. I am sure it is the same there.

Maybe we can find enough Icelandish players to open a class action against you. This way maybe you would be serious and honest about your business, and not behave as a 5 years old who lost and wants to take his ball and end the game.

We pay for a service that was unreasonably tampered deviating for the transparence and integrity you announce. You have arbitrarly punished someone who made us the huge favor of opening our eyes. Now how dare you come here and lecture us, Kieron? How dare you?

Start being humble. Admite you screwed. Fix your mistakes. And maybe, just maybe, you won't kill your game and possibly your company.


*sigh*

This is what killed SWG. When the NGE came out, folks like Julio Torres ( at the time LucasArts Producer for SWG) and Jonathan Smedley (president of SOE) came out saying things similar to what Kieron has said. They actually were a bit harsher and tole their customers point blank that they didn't need them.

Everyone spread that on the forums all over the internet. Its what caused the real furor against SOE and SWG that ensued and continues to haunt the game today.

You need to chose your words very carefully. Add to recent allegations about favortism towards Band of Brothers the events of the last night when a previously never enforced cap on the number of ships in a system was enforced in a battle which involved attacking a BoB Capital Shipyard. And the fact of how quickly a news article appeared on the battle compared to past battles such as JV1V and clearly you have a powderkeg waiting to go off.

If you had told folks you were going to enforce the limit after JV1V I'd have no problem. But to me at least on the surface this appears to be another time BoB has been favored by CCP directly. Rules changed to favor them, even if was only changing how existing rules were enforced.

I don't think it was your intention to favor them, I give you the benefit of the doubt. But it looks very bad on the surface.






You're joking right? you really think that CCP changed a rule right before a fight broke out in order to help BoB?

These accusations lately are just bizarre.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.03.30 15:27:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: RossP Zoyka


You're joking right? you really think that CCP changed a rule right before a fight broke out in order to help BoB?

These accusations lately are just bizarre.


No I'm not joking. They imposed a physical limit to the number of ships in the target system. They prevented the D2 Titan that was jumping the support fleet from cynoing into the system saying that it would exceed the 700 limit. That's what the GM's told the pilot.

They didn't enforce any limit in JV1V.

They did here.

Since it was BoB being attacked....it is suspicious to say the least.

Some folks point to Oveur's blog from last August, but that limit has never been enforced. And if that was the limit, then LV should have been reimbursed for all losses at JV1V since the limit was exceeded.

After the LV1V incident they could and should have made a clear blog stating what happened to the servers. What steps they were going to do to prevent it and provided an even and clear rules of engagement for all.

They didn't. They clearly gave the advantage to BoB in the battle by after BoB having 450+ in the system deciding to enforce a limit such that only 150 coalition ships could enter, without any prior notification to the player base of the change in the rules.

Moraguth
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.03.30 16:40:00 - [202]
 

[hypothetical situation]
Dev Blog
We are now enforcing a limit of 750 ships in all systems (battles, whatever).

-----------------

Next (random alliance) CEO meeting
Okay everyone, we have to have every player we can come to this system to defend out titan operations and leave their clients logged in all night. If we have about 600 people just sitting there, any active players will be able to fend off any pathetic 150 man fleet that tries to jump in.
[/hypothetical situation]

Yeah, I think the limits are crap, but that's not my call. If they had announced it, all of a sudden, any single system could have been un-conquerable by any invading force by just putting enough players in the system.

Diamond Dog
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.03.30 17:00:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga


They didn't enforce any limit in JV1V.

They did here.





Are you actually supprised?

JV1V crashed a number of times during that siege.


And now you scream foul play when ccp actually tries to make something happen.

Yes you're totally right.

CCP are obviously playing favorites...

/sarcasm

Ecid Q'Wulf
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2007.03.30 17:43:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Ba'lkell Yulaille
Originally by: Dr Felonius
[...]
The T20 scandal put a permanent end to the days when your playerbase trusted you to keep your secrets and do the right thing. This is the world you created for yourselves. Live in it.



No, it is the day you lost trust. Don't confuse your own opinions with those of the rest of the player base. [...]


I lost the trust in ccp on that day myself, but to be honest, i still play the game, simply becuse i have fun in it, and some low blow attempts are taken for what they are.


But as someone very important (i hopeso ) said:
"Fool me once shame on you,
Fool me twice, shame on me."

isn't this the third time?

Ecid Q'Wulf

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.03.30 17:49:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Diamond Dog
Originally by: El'Niaga


They didn't enforce any limit in JV1V.

They did here.





Are you actually supprised?

JV1V crashed a number of times during that siege.


And now you scream foul play when ccp actually tries to make something happen.

Yes you're totally right.

CCP are obviously playing favorites...

/sarcasm



What about posting with your main, Mr. Brutor Tribe. I am sure it would be quite amusing. Rolling Eyes /sarcasm

DB Preacher
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.03.30 18:11:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2007 18:20:26
Originally by: El'Niaga

No I'm not joking. They imposed a physical limit to the number of ships in the target system. They prevented the D2 Titan that was jumping the support fleet from cynoing into the system saying that it would exceed the 700 limit. That's what the GM's told the pilot.

They didn't enforce any limit in JV1V.

They did here.

Since it was BoB being attacked....it is suspicious to say the least.


Ah excellent, look at this folks, this is one of those sheep I was talking about earlier. This is a prime example of someone who has been told some false information, has been shown some rumours and has fallen for it hook line and sinker.

This is someone who then, because they have no real clarity of thought, has thought it necessary to come forth and spew it out onto the forums. Even more amusing is that they feel the need to do it under an alt. Hilarious.

Let me set you straight about a few things.

Firstly, we had moved everything non-essential out of F-T. Everything we possibly could so that the hostiles would in fact jump into us. At no point in any of our discussions was this infamous "700 man limit" mentioned. We moved everyone out because we knew that if we were going to get any sort of fight we would have to try and keep it as lag free as possible. We have some experience in fleet battles, I'm not sure about you.

Anway, our allies attacked a massive buildup in k6-. Our main fleet sat 1 jump out in j-l. Inside we had around about 200 left, split between our cap fleet and a smaller cyno killing fleet.

The hostiles came in, we killed a bunch of their cynos but they got a lot of cap ships inside and came to the pos. At some point, the rest of their fleet lagged out and were unable to come in. I've been in this position before when a cap fleet takes place and everything in the neighbouring systems simply doesn't work so this didn't surprise me. It has nothing to do with cheating or system limits or any other kind of idiocy you fools are telling each other.

There were 560 hostiles in the system they were jumpbridging in from. Just under half of those made it in, had all their fleet made it in, the node would probably have died. If it didn't die, we would have DD'd their support fleet and then killed 100 capital ships instead of 50 because they couldn't get their capitals out (as they have stated themselves) but we prolly would have lost some too, both moships would have been in trouble.

Once the pos had finally died, only then did we asked for our main fleet to come in and assist in holding the enemies down. Very few made it in, most came in much later on once the fleet was dead.

At no point in the system was there anything like 700. This is simply an internet rumour that some dude somewhere spouted out for some reason. Then people like this poster here picked up on and chinese whispers later, it's omg a definite. The screenshots and fraps peeps took during the battle will confirm this and it will show that during the battle, it was around 450 in the system.

Seriously people, some players are finally starting to use thier own brains on these forums but there are still alot of extremely naive people who are afraid to look at the information given, digest it and critically analyse it. Don't be afraid to look at the information for yourself once the furor about anything in eve has died down and decide for yourself whether you believe it or not.

Either way, please try not to come on here and reguritate a bunch of other peoples thoughts in some vain effort to make your enemies look stupid because when fraps and screenshots are released to counter you, you will end up looking stupid.

I had a blast last night, thanks to everyone who turned up to make it a legendary evening but if you didn't enjoy it or are looking for excuses for something that didn't go your way that evening (from both sides) then seriously, you need to question your reasons for playing this game.

cheers,
dbp

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2007.03.30 19:37:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 30/03/2007 06:21:21
Originally by: Evelgrivion

A further reminder from the Forum Rules, specifically rule 8:

No posting of personal information
respect the privacy of other Eve players


********** is not an eve player.


So? He agreed to be bound by the EULA when he signed up to play Eve, termination of his characters in no way ends his legal responsabilities in that regard. And thing is, someone is sooner or later going to reveal the devs in the coalition forces if his...campaign...is kept up by said criminal hacker. You know that the names are held by several angry people. It's a timebomb waiting to happen :/

Bienurdau Hywoaf, because a criminal hacker makes them necessary. It is the hackers fault, period. The people fanning the flames here talking about legal action (who CCP can, and should, immediately terminate the accounts of) just feed his ego.

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2007.03.30 19:58:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 30/03/2007 06:21:21
Originally by: Evelgrivion

A further reminder from the Forum Rules, specifically rule 8:

No posting of personal information
respect the privacy of other Eve players


********** is not an eve player.


So? He agreed to be bound by the EULA when he signed up to play Eve, termination of his characters in no way ends his legal responsabilities in that regard. And thing is, someone is sooner or later going to reveal the devs in the coalition forces if his...campaign...is kept up by said criminal hacker. You know that the names are held by several angry people. It's a timebomb waiting to happen :/

Bienurdau Hywoaf, because a criminal hacker makes them necessary. It is the hackers fault, period. The people fanning the flames here talking about legal action (who CCP can, and should, immediately terminate the accounts of) just feed his ego.


Sirmolle did exactly the same thing and differently from ********** he did it here. He wasn't banned.

And there is no criminal hacker. No crime was commited. Forum Hacking is not a crime in most countries inthis world and certainly not in his.

Now for you dbpreacher, sorry but you are mistaken. It has been confirmed by many sources that a GM talked to people and said they couldn't come in because the hard limit was set. It is not a rumor told and believed, it was an event with a lot of witnesses.

Now I would suggest that you stop preaching about what you have no clue, or if you have would only incriminate you further. You experienced lag, nice. You fought, nice. But you have no way of knowing if the limit was implemented unless you were present and witnessed the GM statement like those guys, which you didn't.

So I will exert my common sense and choose to believe in those dozens of players that didn't lie before in these forums or at least weren't busted on their liering like you were.

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2007.03.30 20:04:00 - [209]
 

When did SirMolle hack forums, post the identity of devs, act in bad faith to CCP and break international laws? Your support for a criminal hacker is nothing less than sickening. Technical hacks of forums ARE a crime where the forum was hosted, and THAT is the important point.

This stains everthing you will ever do, as far as I'm concerned.

maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
Posted - 2007.03.30 20:06:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Shouldn't you be lecturing your own employees instead of your players? It's not OUR characters that are being 'outed', you know...


I must say QFT here

Is this what CCP has been reduced to? Blaiming your players in a pathetic attempt at hiding your own inadequacies.

Sad Crying or Very sadRolling Eyes


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