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CCP kieron

Posted - 2007.03.28 16:52:00 - [1]
 

My new Dev Blog says what I want to say, but there are a couple points that I want to reinforce. If you value your personal information, please use discretion when visiting sites that may contain questionable or malicious content, or are administrated by staff who may not have your best interests in mind.

Security, Third Party Sites and Your Information, are they as important to you as they should be?

Karmae
Morbid Obssesion
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:14:00 - [2]
 

Any chance of Arkanon responding to the users concerns expressed in the two previous IA threads?

The lack of IA/CCP answers isn't helping matters tbh and just fueling this.

Montaire
Krusual Developments
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:22:00 - [3]
 

Interesting read.

I have a petition in right now for Exploits/Cheating and was told "It will take some weeks to investigate this"

Just feels like this isnt a priority.

MuthaTrucka
Amarr
space-truckers
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:33:00 - [4]
 

So how does the bus feel when you get thrown under it?

You seem to be behind the curve, instead of acting you keep reacting to this so called "vendetta". Now perchance your little IA department actually did something "Visible".
Or the Petition System wasn't Broken, OR that Petitions actually got handled and not shuffled into the "Completed" Pile.

Stop blaming a Single person for all your faults, he is merely a symptom of the disease.

lighthand
Minmatar
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:44:00 - [5]
 

well said MT

Sap Stabdrip
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:45:00 - [6]
 

Can we please rename the Damage Control II module to the kieron Force Field?

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:47:00 - [7]
 


I was hoping for something more exciting in new Dev blog Sad

Marcusi
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:56:00 - [8]
 

So...what you're saying is that playing Eve is asking for your personal accounts to get hacked.

Legionn
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.03.28 17:56:00 - [9]
 

"While the character revealed in the latter does belong to a CCP staff member..." latter of what? the blog? Kieron's post? I fail too see any CCP character's name mentioned anywhere.

Jamie Hara
Caldari
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:06:00 - [10]
 

I find it rather sad that you can't be clear about what or who you are talking about. I would welcome a more open kind of communication between CCP and their customers. The vagueness of the first paragraph is unfortunate.

In your player guide you state that one should not trust anyone. Trust no one. Due to the recent events for some players this also applies to CCP to some extent. Sadly it will stay this way until CCP becomes more transparent.

Gridcrash
Redline Industries
On the Rocks
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:07:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Spoon Thumb

I was hoping for something more exciting in new Dev blog Sad



QFT.

Nothing good is going to come from giving this guy any attention; some people just have way too much time on their hands.

How is ambulation going? Planetary interaction? Any metrics on the voice chat yet? Planned improvements to invention? More thoughts on tech2? Tons of stuff I would rather read about in the blog...

-Grid

Vastation
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:09:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Legionn
"While the character revealed in the latter does belong to a CCP staff member..." latter of what? the blog? Kieron's post? I fail too see any CCP character's name mentioned anywhere.


That's because it's now assumed that everyone reads that person's forums...

Maybe CCP should just ignore him from now on? I mean really, how many people still read his forums anyway?

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/03/2007 18:06:34
Do you guys recall the case wit The Enslaver? It's just another similar case; A CCP employee gave information that a certain international law violating twerp managed to get a hold of and link with an IP Address.

The Blog is serving as a warning to people that giving away too much personal information can cause problems for everybody, and is attempting to inform the community that another "incident" has taken place.

Those of you who are defending said twerp are out of place in your defense here. One person is out an account just because they work with CCP and a twerp thinks he's doing the world a favor by ruining people's main characters, generally without further provocation or excuse.

How righteous of him. Rolling Eyes

LancerSix
Regeneration
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:17:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: LancerSix on 28/03/2007 18:18:19
Heres a thought, why don't you sue the guy?
I mean sure, total American response, but he's caused damage to your business, violated international law, identity theft, defamation, etc. that has resulted in monetary damages. IANAL, but in an American court the guy would be what we like to call "screwed."
Not to mention the fact that with the beautiful DMCA, you could force him to take down any reference to your intellectual property, i.e. any references to EVE. Cool, no?
Now I realize this guy isn't an American which complicates things, but you may be able to get him in whatever country he's in. See if Iceland has an ambassador for that country and chat it up.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:19:00 - [15]
 

Erm, what is Kieron talking about? I have no clue, can someone help me out? This is very cryptic.

Dr Felonius
Caldari
Civilian Purposes Limited
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:23:00 - [16]
 

Here's an other idea: Own up to your failures as a company, stop trying to keep dev characters a secret, and commit yourselves to openness and assurances of integrity. If there's no secret, there's no way hackers can get famous exposing it.

The T20 scandal put a permanent end to the days when your playerbase trusted you to keep your secrets and do the right thing. This is the world you created for yourselves. Live in it.

Jamie Hara
Caldari
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Evelgrivion
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/03/2007 18:06:34
Do you guys recall the case wit The Enslaver? It's just another similar case; A CCP employee gave information that a certain international law violating twerp managed to get a hold of and link with an IP Address.

Those of you who are defending said twerp are out of place in your defense here. One person is out an account just because they work with CCP and a twerp thinks he's doing the world a favor by ruining people's main characters, generally without further provocation or excuse.

How righteous of him. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, because CCP and its associates has really showed the community that they are a beacon of integrity, efficiency and honesty when it comes to dealing with people abusing their power and knowledge. Rolling Eyes

You'd have to look really hard for a game that requires such a cynical mindset as Eve does. Given the game mechanics and policies regarding scams and such in-game in Eve, do you really think the Eve community is that naive?

Ba'lkell Yulaille
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:30:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dr Felonius
Here's an other idea: Own up to your failures as a company, stop trying to keep dev characters a secret, and commit yourselves to openness and assurances of integrity. If there's no secret, there's no way hackers can get famous exposing it.

The T20 scandal put a permanent end to the days when your playerbase trusted you to keep your secrets and do the right thing. This is the world you created for yourselves. Live in it.



No, it is the day you lost trust. Don't confuse your own opinions with those of the rest of the player base.

Besides that, a CCP where all the Dev/GM/ISD characters were known to the player base would result in mountains of attempted corruption, even further accusations of corruption, and general *****ing and moaning on the part of the player base. The fact that you do not realize this is what makes your grand speaking for the whole of the community there all the more unreasonable.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:32:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/03/2007 18:32:15
Damnation, my apologies. Ba'lkell is mine.

As for you Jamie, PWYM Rolling Eyes

Again, it's your lack of trust with CCP. One should at least attempt to give the company the benefit of the doubt. People make mistakes, Jamie. They're only human; give them a chance to live up for it before condoning the actions of some rogue hacker who is merely out to ruin the game for others because he happened to be banned for violating international freaking law for an event that was handled poorly.

One moment of vindication is not enough to justify any other element of this ********** led inquisition.

Zee Zen
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:34:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: kieron
Sadly, these most recent 'revelations' are hardly more than sensationalism concerning a staff member who left the organization over 3.5 years ago, and a case of mistaken identity. While the character mentioned in the latter revelation does belong to a CCP staff member, the information concerning the owner is incorrect. Not only is the blown identity a sad occasion for the staff member as the character will be removed from play, this should also be a lesson for the EVE community.


So the claims that this person is making are not necessarily false, just sensationalized?

How can you be so concerned about an employee's character being removed from the game? Is that really what CCP sees as the worst aspect of this situation?

Maybe CCP should think about this from your customers' point of view, instead of one person who has to get a new character.

Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:36:00 - [21]
 

Shouldn't you be lecturing your own employees instead of your players? It's not OUR characters that are being 'outed', you know...

Ba'lkell Yulaille
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:42:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Ba''lkell Yulaille on 28/03/2007 18:40:03
Originally by: Zee Zen
Originally by: kieron
Sadly, these most recent 'revelations' are hardly more than sensationalism concerning a staff member who left the organization over 3.5 years ago, and a case of mistaken identity. While the character mentioned in the latter revelation does belong to a CCP staff member, the information concerning the owner is incorrect. Not only is the blown identity a sad occasion for the staff member as the character will be removed from play, this should also be a lesson for the EVE community.


So the claims that this person is making are not necessarily false, just sensationalized?

How can you be so concerned about an employee's character being removed from the game? Is that really what CCP sees as the worst aspect of this situation?

Maybe CCP should think about this from your customers' point of view, instead of one person who has to get a new character.


He kind of was attempting to point out that this is relevant. All the information posted by some 600 odd members on a certain forum has been compromised in an attempt to get some form of revenge upon t20.

All that was claimed in this case was that the character worked for CCP. It's true, but just look at what has resulted from the claim.

Sensationalism: the use of verbal or graphic media to create striking or shocking impressions intended to excite interest or attention.

Fits the definition a T, doesn't it.

EDIT: It seems the EVE-O site is having alt defaulting issues - this is an alt of Evelgrivion.

Aelena Thraant
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:42:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Zee Zen
Originally by: kieron
Sadly, these most recent 'revelations' are hardly more than sensationalism concerning a staff member who left the organization over 3.5 years ago, and a case of mistaken identity. While the character mentioned in the latter revelation does belong to a CCP staff member, the information concerning the owner is incorrect. Not only is the blown identity a sad occasion for the staff member as the character will be removed from play, this should also be a lesson for the EVE community.


So the claims that this person is making are not necessarily false, just sensationalized?

How can you be so concerned about an employee's character being removed from the game? Is that really what CCP sees as the worst aspect of this situation?

Maybe CCP should think about this from your customers' point of view, instead of one person who has to get a new character.


I don't think you understand.... The employee looses his char all his friends and then has to find someone else to spend his personal time with. I love the fact that CCP plays this game... I do feel that T20 caused a lot of people to mistrust ccp... But I would rather CCP play the game, know it really well and maybe rarely have a Dev/GM/etc cross the line and get caught rather then them not play the game at all and have no clue why people are complaining about this or that.

I want ccp to be in large alliances, small alliances, large/small corps... There are things that corps do differently and they will learn more and more about the game because of it.

IMO the people hacking into web sites and getting this info is what is causing the most grief.

And CCP... What you guys need to do... imo is STOP GOING TO EVE RELATED SITES AT WORK

Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.28 18:47:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Esurnir on 28/03/2007 18:44:09
I think I got an idea, if we could seek people with administration right on alliance forum, we could perhaps modify the forums sourcecode to substitute the ip address of random ceo or director or known people to some ccp address or random icelandic address. That way if our dear friend or his fanclub ever reach a level to be able to detect ip address there will be no way for him to distenguish the scam from the truth.

What do you think people?

Gonna talk to our site admin at frege about that idea.

BobbyRaider
Posted - 2007.03.28 19:01:00 - [25]
 



I'm sure most (if not all) of us are able to gather exactly what is being said here ...

If you're giving out your personal or EVE information to other websites, please make sure they can be trusted ... Otherwise you are opening yourself up to abuse, and also your friends / family and in-game colleagues with you ...

I don't see what is so difficult to understand in this, it's mostly common-sense being reinforced here ... The example of the dev/gm losing his account is only one such instance, there's been lots of others where people lose ISK and/or items, or their accounts get misused, etc ...

Turning this reminder to clean up our act as players into a rant against the practices set in place by ccp is absurd, and frankly, detrimental to the situation, not helping it in any way ... You're playing EVE (and continuing to play it) because obviously devs are doing something right, even though there's hiccups, which there are bound to be in every evolving "real" gameworld ...

Either you come straight out and say that devs are ruining the game on purpose (which would result on them prolly not getting the next salary cheque, ergo stupid of you to suggest it) or admit that they are trying to improve the game, with occasional stumbling blocks (i mean, why in heck would someone fix something that ain't broke, and break 10x other things on the way ???) ...

Ffs, rant on something useful, stop wasting screen space here ...

Bobby


DrGilmore V
Posted - 2007.03.28 19:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Aelena Thraant
And CCP... What you guys need to do... imo is STOP GOING TO EVE RELATED SITES AT WORK

And if that isn't possible, point the CCP proxy to a proxy not _registered_ to CCP. As soon as you don't have a CCP source IP the tracing of CCP empoyees will become history.

Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
Posted - 2007.03.28 19:16:00 - [27]
 

Is it too much to ask employees to stop NWR surfing of the web?

MuthaTrucka
Amarr
space-truckers
Posted - 2007.03.28 19:17:00 - [28]
 

IP Logs, Private communication, Etc. It all boils down to CCP Let's their Employees Play the game in there Off time. Time that they cannot control, No Policies they have can stop any Employee from passing Juicy Bits back and forth on his Personal Account.

Do I feel Bad a CCP Employee lost his Character? No
Do I feel Bad that CCP Created the very problem they now have with a "vendetta"? NO
Do I feel Bad that they created a game where Meta gaming is not only allowed but Encouraged? NO
Meta Gaming is now aimed squarely at CCP Employees, Corps and alliances have put up with this issue over the years and have been told its part of the game. CCP is now reaping what it has sown in it's game.

Inept GMing, Inept Public Relations, Horrible documentation, Patch Notes missing vast amount of Fixes and changes, Lost focus, and a In Game culture that is a Twisted parody of Orwellian Ideals.

Welcome to EVE CCP your Baby is all grown up now



The Problem CCP has is it is now the target instead of the installed player base.

And the Small violin plays on

Daniella Althera
Posted - 2007.03.28 19:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: kieron
Not only is the blown identity a sad occasion for the staff member as the character will be removed from play, this should also be a lesson for the EVE community. How so? Apparently, this information was gained after security on another third-party forum was breached.


He has a spy there. A SPY. That's metagaming, the very thing you're advertising that's so awesome in EVE and what makes EVE worth playing when compared to others. Metagaming. This is what you wanted, you can't deny it without banning all metagaming from EVE and as we all know, that won't happen. Just because your own rules backfired on you, you shouldn't act like a bunch of pansies and try to claim things with even less facts than Kug.

RossP Zoyka
Posted - 2007.03.28 19:21:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Shouldn't you be lecturing your own employees instead of your players? It's not OUR characters that are being 'outed', you know...


Have you ever heard of good free friendly advice? Or are you just rude to everyone who makes a conceintious effort at being helpful?

Thank you Kieron for the warning against identity theft. While it seems out of place being posted in a developer blog I appreciate it.


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