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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.03.21 17:25:00 - [31]
 

I really dislike when people destroy the work of many people and months in such a shaby way.

Now you should hire mercs so that they kill his carrier, shouldn't be too hard to find some capable people for that.

Either your corp gets destroyed by this incident or it will move closer together to archieve bigger goals. It often happened that the best groups were forged together in the fire of turmoil and at the brink of destruction - if you survive you will have a good future.

Dark Flare
Caldari
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2007.03.21 17:36:00 - [32]
 

Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.

Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.

Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2007.03.21 17:42:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.

Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.


Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.

RaWBLooD
Posted - 2007.03.21 18:45:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: RaWBLooD on 21/03/2007 18:43:37
this is why corp access is restricted in such a way that no one but the ceo can really take anything of value, this creates additional stress on the ceo, but compared to giving all that acess to every member...

not to mention if someone is inactive for such a long time, why would you keep all their access? I personally would expect them to just log on 1 day and mess around, because they obviously dont care anymore.

I am really sorry for your loss and I hope that your corp can get back on its feet and crush someone to regain your ego.

Jain Za
Naughty 40
Posted - 2007.03.21 20:44:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 21:02:21
Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 20:45:04
Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it!


Didnt take much guessing.

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but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway.


Hmm well we seemed to be doing pretty damn well till you did what you did.

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You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...


We set prices everyone was happy with at the beginning - then the market went haywire with revelations and when the price we were paying became an issue we changed it, we did NOT say "tough, find another corp" - we changed the price to something everyone was happy with.

Not that you would know since you spent all your time ratting anyway.

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And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.


I havent seen any promotional material that states "steal all your corp stuff"

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17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me.


The hangars is what ****ed me off most since it had taken us around 3 months to get all that fuel out there - but then you wouldnt appreciate that since your self centred and dont care about the effort people have put in.

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Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.


ahh shush.

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If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.


No, we have nothing to learn from you.

Cipher7
Posted - 2007.03.21 20:50:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Cipher7 on 21/03/2007 20:52:05
I know it sucks but the best thing you can do is move on and let the devs handle it through petitions.

If an account was being shared between two people, that is a bannable offense and I suggest you report it.

Using someone else's account is not an in-game mechanic.

Cipher7
Posted - 2007.03.21 21:12:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Operion
blah blah


Corp thieves are scum.

May you get kicked in the balls.

Operion
Posted - 2007.03.22 01:19:00 - [38]
 

There was no account sharing... and there is no way for you to prove that anyway... I regularly played at nico's house as well as here at my house... He lives just down the road.... So really if CCP did find my account logged in at 2 different places in the same day... that's too bad... anyway.. I'm done with the flame war... I'm happy I did what I did.. but again.. I did NOT pop the hangers... believe me or not... up to you...

Tinn Kutsuu
Posted - 2007.03.22 08:22:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Operion
I did NOT pop the hangers... believe me or not... up to you...


If this is true, you still left them in the position to get popped, so YOU are still responsible. even if YOU didnt pop them directly, YOU still caused thier destruction

Maam
Posted - 2007.03.22 08:38:00 - [40]
 

It's only a matter of time before this sort of thing spills over into RL unpleasantness.

Leaves me with a very nasty taste in my mouth, and I just can't get it into my head how someone could, in effect, ruin the game for so many people.

You really have to be such a dishonest and unpleasant person in RL, or so addicted to Eve that you'll do anything, just to get the latest and biggest shiny thing.

Piracy, all the other "bad" professions. I can understand those. But corp theft, where you rip off people you know and who trust you. Nah. Evil or Very Mad

Jain Za
Naughty 40
Posted - 2007.03.22 09:12:00 - [41]
 

Destroying the hangars with the ships and all fuel was far and beyond corp theft, it was downright heartless.

The annoying thing is we had just received a contract with a alliance and we're supplying them with ships (upwards of 20+ battleships a week) but lost that contract due to this.

But anyway, we'll get over this and be stronger - you'll always be a weak person.

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.03.22 09:34:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.

Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.


Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.


And you have a RL anger problem that's clouding your already messed up reasoning capabilities.
Think about that one for a bit..if you don't get it, I'm sure others will explain it to you.

Pika Chiu
Posted - 2007.03.22 09:53:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.

Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.


Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.


thats your professional medical oppinion is it?

its a GAME one in which you can be a bad ass if you so choose, it is in no way a reflection of a persons mental issues. Granted in some cases it is, but in most no, its just a play style get a grip! its like saying in CS:Source someone has mental problems if they play the terrorist side, and yes ive seen that opinnion banded about in CS, or that anyone that plays an animal race in fantasy MMOs is a furry or a yiffie, it doesnt make sense.

To the OP, sorry for your loss, but you should look after your corp assets more carefully, a corp is a business, its hard work to keep it safe, but the extra measures are worth it, and hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson :)

Sisco Deivas
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.22 09:59:00 - [44]
 

Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.

Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.

Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.

Pika Chiu
Posted - 2007.03.22 10:05:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Sisco Deivas
Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.

Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.

Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.

do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?

the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.

yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.

personally i wouldnt do it i dont have the patience to pull it off, but i can see how it has its place in the game.

Jack Cannon
Infinitas Obliviosus
Posted - 2007.03.22 10:13:00 - [46]
 

there is a simple answer to this... you know where he lives... you can find his IP and personal information easy enough... be creative.

or
consider this is a game and maybe you should all go play it a little more aggressivly since that's how ccp wants it played. Create alts and go follow him and rip him off. One day he'll slip up.

Jain Za
Naughty 40
Posted - 2007.03.22 11:16:00 - [47]
 

Guys - i appreciate the sentiments but really, lets keep this civilised. In no way do i wish anyone harm in RL over an incident that happened in a game, thats just silly talk.

OneSock
Crown Industries
Posted - 2007.03.22 11:40:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: OneSock on 22/03/2007 11:37:18
Originally by: Pika Chiu

do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?

the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.

yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.



Interesting issue though isn't it because they said they planned it IRL out of game. And they knew that there were real people who had put a lot of their RL time into their corp. So IMO there is a cross over and to an extent it does reflect a lack of RL moral character. If these people had never met IRL and planned all this in game then maybe it would be slightly different.

Motorcycle Emptiness
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.03.22 11:57:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Sisco Deivas
Well you just have to remember your corp can be rebuilt, his honour and integrity however cannot.

Sickening really that someone would actually do this to somebody else and feel great about it.

Severe lack of moral character that's for sure.

do people that play the bad guys in other games have lack of moral character?

the real lack of moral character is those that take eve so seriously they make judgements on peoples real life characters.

yes its not nice, yes its upsetting, but its part of the game.

personally i wouldnt do it i dont have the patience to pull it off, but i can see how it has its place in the game.



all i can say is that eve's mature community ensures that along with a good supply of quality players you're going to get real troubled people, mental problems generally develop with age...but i certainly am not able to say what said people do in eve, it seems too neat and tidy to suggest they'd all become corp thieves, which is basically roleplaying to the max. I'm tempted to think that the people who are nice and empathic in real life actually play gun crazed fragging maniacs online Wink, isn't that the point of a game ^.^

Druadan
Syrus Speculations
Posted - 2007.03.22 11:59:00 - [50]
 

Condolences to Jewel. As always, the three characters mentioned will be set to -10, KOS.

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.03.22 12:00:00 - [51]
 

Sorry to hear of you guys loss. We had a corp theft last august I think it was just before a war. The corp theft though wasn't related to the war or at least never could link them. They only got cheap stuff.

I understand how devastating this is. If you can convince your friends to stick it out, to rebuild. Otherwise you just let creeps like this win.

If you guys can still mine or something in high sec to get yourselves back on foot, I could buy some minerals from you. Send a mail in game to me if interested.

I would also petition the two characters. If they sent a mail that they had hacked the account, report that mail to CCP. Report it and all losses, you might be surprised. Might as well report the suspected shared account as well. There is no evidence that a player could obtain legally that CCP could use to ban an account, that's why them always asking for it is stupid. Ask the petitions to be seen by a senior GM team.

I also know a merc corp that is up and coming, they are led by Xornicon Altair, he and his outfit might be willing to kill a carrier if suitably motivated. You might contact him see what kind of offer you can get.

I hope you guys recover.

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.03.22 12:24:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...

And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.

17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.

If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.

-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **


What a load of malarchy.

Incidentally them redoing your corp roles to keep you in is not more against the EULA than you hacking another accout, or sharing another account....

Prior to your post they were made aware that it was against the rules and said they wouldn't be.

So what do you have to be proud of?

You've run folks off from the game. (Incidentally by the EULA if those quitting cited you as the reason you technically can be banned for this....)
You stole from those that were hard working because you were to lazy to make your own.
You are pathetic.

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.03.22 12:28:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Pika Chiu
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Dark Flare
Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.

Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.


Exactly, imo this guy has some mental deficiency's in RL if he can screw over an entire corp and laugh about it. People should be wary of EVE, cos if there an ASSWHOLE in a person, playing Eve will only exacerbate it imo.


thats your professional medical oppinion is it?

its a GAME one in which you can be a bad ass if you so choose, it is in no way a reflection of a persons mental issues. Granted in some cases it is, but in most no, its just a play style get a grip! its like saying in CS:Source someone has mental problems if they play the terrorist side, and yes ive seen that opinnion banded about in CS, or that anyone that plays an animal race in fantasy MMOs is a furry or a yiffie, it doesnt make sense.

To the OP, sorry for your loss, but you should look after your corp assets more carefully, a corp is a business, its hard work to keep it safe, but the extra measures are worth it, and hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson :)


Not entirely correct, I"ve played RPing games for almost 30 years. In every character I have played there was a part of me. Given similar circumstances and abilities, I would have acted as they did.

Writing it off as just a game, and saying no harm was done is not being honest to yourself or to others.

Jain Za
Naughty 40
Posted - 2007.03.22 12:53:00 - [54]
 

Any industrial corporations that are wishing to help us through this, or just want to touch base with a view to future co-operation then please feel to convo or pm me in game.

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2007.03.22 12:55:00 - [55]
 

Unlike first-person-shooter type games, the time sink that is Eve makes it a rather good match for real life. The personal investment in a corp makes it of real value to all those involved.

Father Lazarous
Posted - 2007.03.22 12:57:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Mecinia Lua
Not entirely correct, I"ve played RPing games for almost 30 years. In every character I have played there was a part of me. Given similar circumstances and abilities, I would have acted as they did.

Writing it off as just a game, and saying no harm was done is not being honest to yourself or to others.


It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm.

When they turn off the EVE Client, they are still just the same person - perhaps a little annoyed - but still just the same.

People should be aware, that one day CCP will turn off the EVE servers - this is not going to last forever, then and only then will the real harm be done to people...

- The loss of man hours for something that is reliant on an internet connection.
- The loss of "real life" where they have not done things that they should have been doing as they wanted to play EVE.

...EVE is a drug in terms of being a time sink in my opinion. My drug used to be wanting to earn ISK and then I hit the point of never needing to again, so the need to be logged in all the time faded -but- there where times that I played too much.

In my humble opinion, the ONLY harm that will ever come to a person is who they will feel when one day -and it will happen- EVE is turned off. What happens ingame, stays in game.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2007.03.22 13:04:00 - [57]
 

When I channel my hate to productive
I don't find it hard to impress.

Use that hatred to rebuild and send misery his way, grudges and unrefined hatred is part of the glue that keeps me in. Good luck in getting this guy, remember to send all his future corporations a letter reminding them of what he did.

Q Bert
Caldari
Die Killererbsen
United Pod Service
Posted - 2007.03.22 13:19:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
When I channel my hate to productive
I don't find it hard to impress.

*PANTERA Rules*


This to read makes me sick. He should get punished by Eve Law Enforcement, not able to undock from Jail Station for some month or so.

Shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
Swine Aviation Labs
Posted - 2007.03.22 13:23:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...

And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.

17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.

If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.

-scum


Fixed Very Happy


Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2007.03.22 13:34:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Cleric JohnPreston on 22/03/2007 13:47:58
Quote:
Pika Chiu - "thats your professional medical opinion is it?"


Might be, when i finish my psychology degree and then my masters ;)

Quote:
Solbright -" Unlike first-person-shooter type games, the time sink that is Eve makes it a rather good match for real life. The personal investment in a corp makes it of real value to all those involved."


This is entirely correct, the emotional and psychological attachment from time invested becomes personalized unfortunately.

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Father Lazarous - "It is just a game tho. There maybe harm down to certain peoples characters in game, but it's not physical harm."


Wrong, it doesn't have to be psychical to be harmful. I would almost bet that the victims directly involved became negatively stressed. The more uncontrollable the event ( in this case the victims ) the more likely it is perceived as stressful. I just looked it up, a minor stressor such as what has happened `MIGHT` score in the low 20s where job loss would be scored mid 40-50s and death of a loved high 90s-100..

Still, perhaps this illustrates a point?






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