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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:25:00 - [1]
 

Ok So Ive been in eve well over a year now when I started it was reasonably easy to make isk on my schedual I play at random times and dont always have people I can group up with so I do alot of solo stuff, usually about 2h a day max.

WIth that schedual and running a lvl4 mission or 2 a day i was earning enough to keep around a billion isk in my wallet and pay for my game time with the isk, so basically i was making about 500mill in 3 months give or take, just casually playing the game.

Ive noticed though over the last coupel months my wallet has been droping and im finding myself spending more time doing boring stuff, like salvaging, at first it seems cool, but my god it takes so damn long and its so boring to do, problem is if you dont do it you loose alot of money if you do, do it you loose alot of time.

Either way im making less money now and having less fun doing it.

So now I read about changes to missions Nerfing to lvl4's making them more like lvl3's so sweet now after working my way up to a good lvl4 agent I will make even less isk.

So i can go to low sec and do lvl5's which are made more for groups as they consist of the missions I had problems with before , and the new ones as it said, are not going to be bounty based!! WTF, so even if i do this Im not going to make much money and a higher chance of getting ganked, you dont think that as soon as the agents are released there wont be a bucnh of pirate campers hanging out waiting for there daily feeding ?.

As a combat oriented pilot its becoming increasingly difficult to make ISK, even if i landed a T2 BPO , which i dont have the skills to use I dont have teh time to use it.

If my wallet keeps droping and I cant find a suitable way to earn isk on a light schedual, then I wont have ISK to buy a Time card and then I wont be able to play.

when i started I thought this game was more for the hardcore crowd and it still is , but is it becoming only for the Even more hardcore ?

I dont want to stop playing this game, great people great fun, but If i run out of money i run out of time :(.


Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Frug on 07/03/2007 02:37:20
a) I get the impression they're trying to fight isk inflation by making it harder to generate isk so easily.

b) You can warp to 0 now. Makes some things a lot faster.

c) You're dumping all your isk into time cards so you can solo mission run, and want to play casually to afford it. Won't get you much sympathy I don't think.

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WTF, so even if i do this Im not going to make much money and a higher chance of getting ganked, you dont think that as soon as the agents are released there wont be a bucnh of pirate campers hanging out waiting for there daily feeding ?.


d) you don't know that. Bounties aren't everything, you know. Maybe wait until they implement and adjust them before you whine more.

e) Yes the pirate campers will suddenly be all over all the low security systems. In fact, I'm willing to bet that low security systems will suddenly have pirates in them. If you're really lucky, with this new change, pirates will come to low sec. And then, out of nowhere, low sec will have pirates. And there will be pirates all over low sec like flies to sh**. You might have to stay out of low sec then, because it will have pirates.

Edit: Oh yeah. Pirates will come to low sec.

Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:47:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Frug
Edited by: Frug on 07/03/2007 02:37:20
a) I get the impression they're trying to fight isk inflation by making it harder to generate isk so easily.

b) You can warp to 0 now. Makes some things a lot faster.

c) You're dumping all your isk into time cards so you can solo mission run, and want to play casually to afford it. Won't get you much sympathy I don't think.

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WTF, so even if i do this Im not going to make much money and a higher chance of getting ganked, you dont think that as soon as the agents are released there wont be a bucnh of pirate campers hanging out waiting for there daily feeding ?.


d) you don't know that. Bounties aren't everything, you know. Maybe wait until they implement and adjust them before you whine more.

e) Yes the pirate campers will suddenly be all over all the low security systems. In fact, I'm willing to bet that low security systems will suddenly have pirates in them. If you're really lucky, with this new change, pirates will come to low sec. And then, out of nowhere, low sec will have pirates. And there will be pirates all over low sec like flies to sh**. You might have to stay out of low sec then, because it will have pirates.

Edit: Oh yeah. Pirates will come to low sec.



I dont sink all my isk into GTC's just enough to be able to play, and I dont just solo mission run I go low sec look for pvp and rat and do group things etc but you need to be able to pay for ships and moduals and things , getting blown up gets pricey so I need to pay for that somehow missions are just where I go to make money.

Im not afraid of pirates im not afraid og getting killed, but on a lite schedual I still need to make money , cause if i keep loosing money , like I said I wont be able to pay for my time.

Im not complaining, what will be will be, Im more just curious about others takes on this.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:48:00 - [4]
 

You're making less money on missions(if you dont salvage) because there are a hundred thousands other people just like you whoring L4s in highsec to make easy cash. The massive amounts of LPs generated are making prices for many LP rewards drop. +3 implants used to sell for 30mil, now they're what? 12?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:50:00 - [5]
 

Kind of feeling roughly the same, but with one major difference (and several other small ones): I don't use ISK to buy GTCs, I just pay my subscription normally, so I can idle along as much as I want, if I feel like it (and I've been spending more time in the forums than in-game).

First off, if you insist in running missions, streamline your mission running.
Find a L4 agent in 0.5 surrounded by highsec only (doesn't really matter what corp, division nor what quality level THAT much, just make sure you get a high LP per mission). Run missions for that agent only.
Don't bother looting, salvaging or anything like that... just go for the objective, kill/grab/whatever it, and warp back to base, take next mission, do the same.
Take all connection skillbooks and +3 implant offers you're given, reject the rest. Sell'em if you already have'em (via sell order, not direct sale).

Then, if that's still not nearly enough income... start thinking of giving up mission running as a primary income source, as it's obvious you have way to little time to do it.
Liquidate most assets you own and start trading instead.
Decent, always-in-demand routes (albeit not hugely profitable) are large T1 guns and (most) named modules out of mission hubs into trade hubs, and T2 gear from trade hubs into mission hubs.
Just set up highest buy orders and lowest sell orders in the station/system and move the stuff around as it appears, adjust orders slightly so that you do get some trades in all locations, even if not all that often.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:51:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kassidus


I dont sink all my isk into GTC's just enough to be able to play, and I dont just solo mission run I go low sec look for pvp and rat and do group things etc but you need to be able to pay for ships and moduals and things , getting blown up gets pricey so I need to pay for that somehow missions are just where I go to make money.

Im not afraid of pirates im not afraid og getting killed, but on a lite schedual I still need to make money , cause if i keep loosing money , like I said I wont be able to pay for my time.

Im not complaining, what will be will be, Im more just curious about others takes on this.


Then go run higher level missions in lowsec if you're not afriad of pirates or getting killed. Find a good lowsec corp(there's plenty) that actually defends their space against pirates(again there are quite a few hotspots that do this) and go run missions there.

You dont even know how profitable the new missions are yet, so stop whining.

Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:53:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Kind of feeling roughly the same, but with one major difference (and several other small ones): I don't use ISK to buy GTCs, I just pay my subscription normally, so I can idle along as much as I want, if I feel like it (and I've been spending more time in the forums than in-game).

First off, if you insist in running missions, streamline your mission running.
Find a L4 agent in 0.5 surrounded by highsec only (doesn't really matter what corp, division nor what quality level THAT much, just make sure you get a high LP per mission). Run missions for that agent only.
Don't bother looting, salvaging or anything like that... just go for the objective, kill/grab/whatever it, and warp back to base, take next mission, do the same.
Take all connection skillbooks and +3 implant offers you're given, reject the rest. Sell'em if you already have'em (via sell order, not direct sale).

Then, if that's still not nearly enough income... start thinking of giving up mission running as a primary income source, as it's obvious you have way to little time to do it.
Liquidate most assets you own and start trading instead.
Decent, always-in-demand routes (albeit not hugely profitable) are large T1 guns and (most) named modules out of mission hubs into trade hubs, and T2 gear from trade hubs into mission hubs.
Just set up highest buy orders and lowest sell orders in the station/system and move the stuff around as it appears, adjust orders slightly so that you do get some trades in all locations, even if not all that often.


Yes there are lots of options in the game for making money but like I said im a combat pilot its what I like, everything else to me is boring so if i cant make money doing what i like why would I play ?

Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2007.03.07 02:56:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Kassidus


I dont sink all my isk into GTC's just enough to be able to play, and I dont just solo mission run I go low sec look for pvp and rat and do group things etc but you need to be able to pay for ships and moduals and things , getting blown up gets pricey so I need to pay for that somehow missions are just where I go to make money.

Im not afraid of pirates im not afraid og getting killed, but on a lite schedual I still need to make money , cause if i keep loosing money , like I said I wont be able to pay for my time.

Im not complaining, what will be will be, Im more just curious about others takes on this.


Then go run higher level missions in lowsec if you're not afriad of pirates or getting killed. Find a good lowsec corp(there's plenty) that actually defends their space against pirates(again there are quite a few hotspots that do this) and go run missions there.

You dont even know how profitable the new missions are yet, so stop whining.


DOnt tell me to stop whining, theres piles of whining on this forum every day, Im just looking for others opionions , and no matter what happens I will adapt, its in my nature, but that doesnt mean I wont bring up observations from time to time.

Sebmagic
Caldari
Altera Odyssea
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2007.03.07 03:16:00 - [9]
 

Stop whinning Kassidus.

You want cheap isk, go in low sec and gank haulers on gate. Do the same thing in 0.0.

Cheap, you get isk.

Cheap, you are bored, cheap. Cheap.

Nikla Uthaan
Caldari
Posted - 2007.03.07 03:48:00 - [10]
 

I'm a similar story to the OP, but I'm not having any trouble. I NPC, PvE and have probably only turned over about 2 bil isk in my 14-16 months gaming (read turned over, I only have about 100mil atm in just isk). That said I'm set to skyrocket the cash back up now.

Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2007.03.07 04:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sebmagic
Stop whinning Kassidus.

You want cheap isk, go in low sec and gank haulers on gate. Do the same thing in 0.0.

Cheap, you get isk.

Cheap, you are bored, cheap. Cheap.


Hehe Im a nice guy I dont gank people its against corp policy, I take EVE like I do life, I dont shoot first, but im willing to bring it if someone starts the ****. :D


But back to my original point which people havnt really touched on is, Are things getting harder for the casual player ?

Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
Posted - 2007.03.07 04:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kassidus

WIth that schedual and running a lvl4 mission or 2 a day i was earning enough to keep around a billion isk in my wallet and pay for my game time with the isk, so basically i was making about 500mill in 3 months give or take, just casually playing the game.


Is this a kind of Perpetuum Mobile ? Laughing
If its boring, than you have to overthink your playstyle. There are another options open to make isk. Invention, exploration, building rig parts and so on.

And please stop giving away your hard earned isk for real money. thats isk you dont put on my modules Razz
Cut the last, was joking.

Yours ( thinking about ancient machines ) Woodhead.

Hasak Rain
Amarr
Posted - 2007.03.07 06:30:00 - [13]
 

I think things are actually easier for new and casual players.

We now have Tier 2 BCs which are both cheap and are pretty viable pvp ships. Sure, they aren't BS or even HaCs but a pretty good option instead of flying a Ferox or a Prophecy. Laughing

The learning skills were nerfed which means whatever professions you want to learn, you can get into them faster and train them faster. You can actually bypass the lvl 5 Learning skills now and come out of it with some pretty good attributes.

Missions will still be worth doing for isk but those who ***** them and play EvE like it is a single player shooter are upset because they are going to see the nerf bat. Hard for me to feel bad for these people.

It sucks that you have such a limited playing time and depend on the isk to pay for your subscriptions but is that really an issue CCP should be concerned about? I am willing to bet if you payed for your sub, you wouldn't have problems making profits even with little playing time.

However, it sounds like you want the game custom tailored around not only the way you play but also so you have the ability to pay for the game with GTCs. Sounds a bit unreasonable to me.

Not to mention this seems like yet another mission nerf whine thread.




Noluck Ned
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.03.07 08:36:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Frug


e) Yes the pirate campers will suddenly be all over all the low security systems. In fact, I'm willing to bet that low security systems will suddenly have pirates in them. If you're really lucky, with this new change, pirates will come to low sec. And then, out of nowhere, low sec will have pirates. And there will be pirates all over low sec like flies to sh**. You might have to stay out of low sec then, because it will have pirates.

Edit: Oh yeah. Pirates will come to low sec.




What exactly are you trying to say?

Personally I believe that pirates will go to lowsec but I dont want to get into an argument with you about it seeing as you disagree with me so forcefully.



 

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