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CCP Nozh


C C P
Posted - 2007.03.01 11:50:00 - [1]
 

Hi,

Let me just start off by letting you all know that I'm no Linux "wiz", I set up some Gentoo server's a while back and thats basically it. It still only took me about 45 minutes to get Ubuntu, Cedega and EVE up and running. What I've been doing on and off the past few days is collect information about what seem to be the most common problems when running EVE on Linux.

This is of course only to get the ball rolling, I know there was another thread but a lot of the info in it is now out of date.

Cedega


Cedega EVE-Online Forums.


I’m getting very bad fps.

Make sure your display drivers are fully up to date. Try running the client in fullscreen mode, in most cases you get better fps that way.


I’m missing fonts from missions and chat windows.

Try disabling the “Vertex Shaders”

1. Right click the EVE icon in Cedega, choose “Edit Properties”
2. Select “Edit Settings” in the Advanced Settings Overrides section
3. In the “graphics” tab, deselect the “Vertex Shaders” option.


Black screen, unable to type in the password field.

Most likely due to Cedega not being up to date. To force update Cedega select TransGaming -> Check for updates from the file menu. Make sure you select all the options available and click “OK”. (If Cedega hangs on update and you're running Ubuntu, it's probably due to the bash/dash Cedega issue, see the known issues.)


I still can’t type anything in the password field.

Make sure arial.ttf is in the windows/fonts directory in Cedega.


When I click play nothing happens.

Make sure you’re using the GDDB EVE profile, and that you’re running it in winxp compability mode. (If you don't have this update your Cedega)


How do I run EVE in fullscreen mode in a Cedega window?

In the EVE display settings, choose fullscreen and a resolution you wish to run.

Now change the Cedega EVE display settings:

1. Right click the EVE icon in Cedega, choose “Edit Properties”
2. Select “Edit Settings” in the Advanced Settings Overrides section
3. In the “general” tab, select the resolution you chose in EVE under the “desktop” menu
4. Deselect DXGrab in the general window to allow your mouse to leave the Cedega window.


Known Issues:

* Ubuntu now uses dash as the default sh implementation instead of bash. Several Cedega scripts aren’t fully compatible with dash, the workaround is to switch the default shell back to bash. It can be done with the following command (and selecting no):

sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash
- select no when prompted


* Alt + F1-F12 doesn’t work.

* Switching between fullscreen and window mode, sometimes causes CTD’s.

Wine

Check out this step by step guide to compile Wine for Eve




/Nozh.

ElfeGER
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.01 13:06:00 - [2]
 

some links to other forums posts:
original thread about linux support
Thread about running EVE on Mac with x86 architecture (Crossover for Mac)

external links:
EVE entry in the wine application database
EVE entry in the codeweavers application database (Crossover for Linux/Mac)
these list/link to known problems/workarounds

I wonder if anyone tried compiling wine on an Intel Mac to test it with Eve.

general notes:
- fps might be different on Cedega/Wine/Crossover and change from Eve and program versions
- sometimes Cedega has a demo version available, wine is free, Crossover has demo versions for linux and mac available

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2007.03.01 21:15:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Sevarus James on 01/03/2007 21:18:28
Edited by: Sevarus James on 01/03/2007 21:14:02
Edited by: Sevarus James on 01/03/2007 21:12:48
Aside from that list, another 'quickfix'. If you are experiencing black screen on portraits (characters screen and or iconic portraits in game), ensure that the graphics settings tab for EVE in cedega has FBO unchecked. This WILL speed up fps somewhat, but causes problems with portrait rendering.

The fullscreen > windowed mode > fullscreen normally works fairly well ONLY while docked. If you are in space, do NOT do it as its a guaranteed way to end the session. Smile

Ubuntu has the latest (per maintainer stefann herman) .9.31 wine version in repositories, so if compiling wine scares ya, there is the click/install/be done with it alternative. Unless Elfiger (our resident wine expert/god) has any other info on it, iirc the .9.30 and .9.31 versions have all of the necessary fixes he tirelessly worked on rolled into 'main'.


Also, greetings NOZH, and thank you for the sticky to this. It is MOST appreciated!

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2007.03.02 13:02:00 - [4]
 

The ALT-Function not working will be the desktop stealing those key presses. I fixed it in my distro by making an entry in KDE settings for removing all desktop shortcuts when Cedega is selected. I force Eve into a window with Cedega. This then allows shrinking of Eve using the mouse/taskbar which itself is shrinkable.


ElfeGER
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.05 10:54:00 - [5]
 

if your chat channels arn't loading under wine/cedega/crossover have a look at this http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=469583

brainball
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.03.06 19:20:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Nozh

I still can’t type anything in the password field.

Make sure arial.ttf is in the windows/fonts directory in Cedega.

/Nozh.

This can be solved by making sure that you have the "MS Core Fonts" package installed. Install this through the update function of cedega an be sure to have selected "MS Core Fonts"

Krolain
Posted - 2007.03.07 23:35:00 - [7]
 

Well, I can get EVE running in Cedega under Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro, with all the latest ATI proprietary drivers and all.

However, the game seems to freeze almost everytime I click on a stargate. In addition, I get I see wireframe cubes in the universe, planets, and even on my character (during character creation). Finally, the picture preview in the chat looks corrupted a lot.

However, I do not seem to have any of these issues with Wine 9.31. However, I do get a better FPS and overall 'look' in Cedega than I do in Wine, so I am hoping to get it running better with Cedega somehow.

Does anyone else have these issues with ATI cards? (I hear most of these issues aren't with NVidia).. however, I don't think it's graphics related since I don't see these issues with Wine.

Thanks.

News
Minmatar
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2007.03.08 13:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Gamersinfo Article
In addition they are looking at introducing several new clients in the upcoming months including a Linux Client (in around 3 weeks) and a Mac client sometime this summer.


Linkage

Any comments on this? Truth? Exaggeration?

Grimster
Reikoku
Posted - 2007.03.08 21:51:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: News
Originally by: Gamersinfo Article
In addition they are looking at introducing several new clients in the upcoming months including a Linux Client (in around 3 weeks) and a Mac client sometime this summer.


Linkage

Any comments on this? Truth? Exaggeration?


I will kill for this.

Pardot Kynes
Gallente
Neuronal Loneliness
Posted - 2007.03.09 13:08:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Pardot Kynes on 09/03/2007 14:35:56
Edited by: Pardot Kynes on 09/03/2007 14:30:41
Edited by: Pardot Kynes on 09/03/2007 14:30:13
Cedega 5.2.10 + Latest Ubuntu = Eve works perfectly ...

Except one thing :
- If I use a Razer Copperhead Mouse (USB, 2000Dpi and 1Ghz USB polling), I drop from 198 FPS to 5 FPS if I move it (even if I switch to 400DPI/125Hz USB polling)
- If I use a Logitech MX500, my FPS drop from 198 to 125.

Anyone has an idea to avoid this problem ?

EDIT : I've tried this :[email protected]:~# cat /sys/module/usbhid/parameters/mousepoll
10
5 too, but no change.

[email protected]:~$ razertool -P
Using profile 5
Profile 5:
DPI: 2000dpi
Rate: 1000Hz
Try to reduce DPI and Rate to 400/125, no changes either.
I'm starting to desperate ugh

No changes. Try to mess up with Cedega settings, like unchecking DXGrab, no changes at all.
Don't hink it's a matter of CPU too low, here's my specs :
AMD 3800+ X2 , NVidia 7900GT with NVidia drivers up-to-date (9746), 2 raptors 10000rpm and 2Gb RAM ...

Krolain
Posted - 2007.03.09 15:41:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Krolain on 09/03/2007 17:30:02
Originally by: News
Originally by: Gamersinfo Article
In addition they are looking at introducing several new clients in the upcoming months including a Linux Client (in around 3 weeks) and a Mac client sometime this summer.


Linkage

Any comments on this? Truth? Exaggeration?


I do hope it's true. Though I hope that if they do use Transgaming Cider for the Mac client, that the ATI support is better than Cedega (also from Transgaming). As it stands right now, I'm having issues using Cedega with my ATI card (as stated in a previous posts), but that's for Linux and not Mac.

As for the Linux client, it makes me wonder if they are doing an OpenGl port of it, or if they are using a third party porting software like Cider?

Pardot Kynes
Gallente
Neuronal Loneliness
Posted - 2007.03.09 15:47:00 - [12]
 

Ok, I will reply to my own question :
I've managed to solve my mouse problem :
I've installed XFCE, and no problems at all with my mouse. But with Gnome the problem is present.

So it was just a WM problem ...

brainball
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.03.13 09:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Krolain
Edited by: Krolain on 09/03/2007 17:30:02
Originally by: News
Originally by: Gamersinfo Article
In addition they are looking at introducing several new clients in the upcoming months including a Linux Client (in around 3 weeks) and a Mac client sometime this summer.


Linkage

Any comments on this? Truth? Exaggeration?


I do hope it's true. Though I hope that if they do use Transgaming Cider for the Mac client, that the ATI support is better than Cedega (also from Transgaming). As it stands right now, I'm having issues using Cedega with my ATI card (as stated in a previous posts), but that's for Linux and not Mac.

As for the Linux client, it makes me wonder if they are doing an OpenGl port of it, or if they are using a third party porting software like Cider?

A lot of the issues relating to ATI cards can be traced back to their drivers, though the driver made a lot of progress over the past year. It is still lacking in a lot of parts, support with Cedega increases with every release though along with performance.

Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
Posted - 2007.03.16 08:21:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Yarod Cool on 16/03/2007 08:25:03
Edited: Reading other posts is useful

I'm looking forward to the Linux client :)

Zuril Nair
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.03.18 17:49:00 - [15]
 

A supported Linux client would ROCK!

I only have Windows on my home machines to play EVE. Confused

nico wurz250
The X-Trading Company
Posted - 2007.03.18 18:16:00 - [16]
 

same here!

Dwindlehop
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.03.20 21:32:00 - [17]
 

Has anyone tried using Eve Voice under Cedega?

Dathas
Minmatar
Dawn's Requiem
Posted - 2007.03.21 01:48:00 - [18]
 

Well Devs?
I know you guys have done a lot in Direct X, but with the scariness that is DX10 under Vista, any chance of an conversion over to OpenGL for actual cross platform possibility rather than emulation?

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2007.03.21 11:29:00 - [19]
 

This thread could do with some cleaning of off-topic posts. The questions around the "native" client are answered in other threads.


Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2007.04.12 02:35:00 - [20]
 

If you have problems updating/upgrading to cedega 6.0 the following will probably get you back in business:

<snip>
Just a heads up after I installed 6.0 I could not launch any games. They would not run I could see the wineserver running in the process list but the games would never launch. I fixed it by

backing up my cedega directory so that I would not lose my games
mv .cedega ./cedega-old


apt-get --purge remove cedega-small

in home dir
rm .transgaming_global
rm .cedega
rm .cedegarc

Then dpkg -i cedega-small_6.0_all.deb

run it and you should get the setup wiz

After that you can move back the game directories only from cedega-old to .cedega

<snip>

Thanks to alienj20 on the cedega forums for this one.

Empress Tai
Posted - 2007.04.13 11:21:00 - [21]
 

I just wondering with the lag issues running under XP, will Cedega running under Linux will add a bit more lag to it. It would be nice just to have Eve clients available on Linux and Mac. I think Vista has created a turning point in OS selection, if Linux community (the world) gets the OS installation more user friendly to the less linux gifted, it would be nice to drop Vista and move to MAC or Linux OS. having eve clients running native in Linux will be magic if Eve can perhaps ask the Linux community to help in creating a eve client.

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2007.04.13 13:07:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Sevarus James on 13/04/2007 13:05:45
one word regarding lag: LESS. I have experienced less lag/latency under linux than I EVER did under XP. Do NOT confuse latency with the client's frame rate. There's a lot more to it than that. See my post in general section regarding the IBM article for more info.

Linkage to the IBM article thread


Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2007.04.16 15:39:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Sevarus James on 16/04/2007 15:47:39
Edited by: Sevarus James on 16/04/2007 15:45:35
Edited by: Sevarus James on 16/04/2007 15:43:12
Edited by: Sevarus James on 16/04/2007 15:37:29
So, after some more fiddling about and playing with the nvidia control panel/cedega 6.0 settings, here are the results, and they even surprised me!

First, my specs:

x2 3800 dual core AMD
nforce4 nvidia moboard using the ck804 onboard sound.
2 gig 128bit dual channel corsair ram
nvidia 7950 Evga 512meg video card (non sli mode)
nvidia 9755 video drivers
ubuntu 6.10 edgy (current)
cedega 6.0

Running EVE fullscreen at 1900x1200 resolution on a 26" widescreen Acer LCD.
Running cedega in a window with EVE running "fullscreen" produces nearly identical marks even at lower resolution.


Now onto the settings:

Cedega settings:

general tab settings:
scheduler=no
checked:
decrease wineserver priority
accelerated interprocess.
-------Note that I use a utility called taskset to pin EVE to one cpu. This allows me to turn off the scheduler and its associated settings. Under a single core processor, these settings can most likely run default.
SOUND -yep, it does work!
using alsa for sound
ctl device= default
pcm device= default
---normally these two will default to "hw". This will cause problems on some systems (mine.) replacing this with "default" fixes my sound issues completely, and I see no framerate hit with or WITHOUT sound.

mmap NOT checked -not needed for audio. (This, iirc, is for outbound, such as voice comms.)


Graphics Tab

Manually set the video to the card's specs:
video ram=512
agp vertex=128

This doesn't seem to make much difference, whichever is chosen:
pixel shaders=1.4

EVE doesn't use 2.0
vertex shaders=1.1

checked:
nv_var
arb_vbo

UNCHECK framebuffer/float
Uncheck GL shading language
Uncheck Occlusion Queries.
---------what surprised me here is that FBO, although problematic in 5.2.10 and lower tended to INCREASE frame rate. In 6.0, it seems to DECREASE it. By unchecking these new settings, my framerate jumped about 20% over having them checked.

-----

Nvidia control panel:

X Server XVideo Settings:

sync to " " uncheck both entries.

OpenGL Settings:

3/4 to the right on the performance slider
uncheck "sync to vblank"
CHECK "allow flipping"


Antialiasing settings: uncheck all.(if checked).

In EVE: 1900x1200 Fullscreen
prefs.ini
buffersize=512
---I have audio=1

- I am seeing NO difference in framerate under cedega using alsa or having sound off.


Results and screenshots:
Character screen: 185fps
In station= 73fps

In Space:

At station=46fps
In warp = 61fps
At gate= 48fps
By planet= 45fps
Deadspace Complex entry with clouds: 38fps

--these are averages. lows were in the mid to high 30's, and I, for the first time ever saw 71fps during warp at one point.


Please realize your mileage will vary with hardware, but this is the best fps I've ever...EVER had with EVE under Linux.

Hope this helps some of you who have been futzing about with settings.

Attached screenshots:

At Gate 48fps

Out of warp 67fps

In station 73fps

At station 46fps

In warp 61fps

Serphonis
Caldari
Ordo-Arcanum
Posted - 2007.04.18 12:28:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Serphonis on 18/04/2007 12:25:52
yes, with a fresh install of all 6.0 cedega stuff (including ms fonts and stuff you get for being a member and not just torrenting cedega :p ) eve works without a hitch, Eve was actaully in teh game DB list for ready to go pre-sets, just clicked it and it works perfectly!

amd 64
nvidia 7600 (latest drivers)
Ubuntu (feisty beta)
gig and a half o' ram


... now i jsut need battlefield 2142 to work with punkbuster in cedega and I'll be saying gooddbye to windows... until I get shadowrun.... darn you M$!

Divimar Heglorson
Posted - 2007.04.23 17:38:00 - [25]
 

I've got eve running fairly well on ubuntu with wine (v. 0.9.35), though using the fglrx ATI drivers was a no go, I've had to install AIGLX drivers, but now it works fine. A few graphical glitches here and there, but otherwise I'm very happy with the outcome. Very Happy

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2007.04.25 04:57:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Divimar Heglorson
I've got eve running fairly well on ubuntu with wine (v. 0.9.35), though using the fglrx ATI drivers was a no go, I've had to install AIGLX drivers, but now it works fine. A few graphical glitches here and there, but otherwise I'm very happy with the outcome. Very Happy


.9.35 has a known memory leak issue. You may be happy with the results, but after a period of time it will suck your system resources dry. .9.34 would be a better solution at this time.

Recon Toon
Posted - 2007.05.13 23:22:00 - [27]
 


well...maybe i missed a post about this :P....i think i can fix the fps problem and still run in window mode. this also works for windows but makes a huge difference with linux.
be sure your res for the game client is LESS than the res for the desktop/monitor.
for me this means the difference between playable and not.


J'Mkarr Soban
Posted - 2007.05.15 14:04:00 - [28]
 

I've got one problem, which may or may not be entirely separate from the OS.

The planet depth stuff seems to be wrong. The centre of the planet (as you look at it) is fine, but the edges (where I imagine there is supposed to be some sort of could/halo effect) is jerky. Also, with planets with rings, the part of the ring behind the planet can jump in front and flicker back and forward between the two.

I've tried changing the depth buffer, but whenever I do it crashes Eve and the original settings are there before hand. Now my dissertation is over (woo!) I'm working on getting everything working correctly on my linux box.

I'm using Cedega 6.0 under gentoo-2.6.20-r2. 1gig DDR2, 1.83 Core 2 Duo, nVidia 7600 Go. Yes it's a laptop *grin*.

And yeah, I can get 200fps in station with no windows up, around 25 with windows covering the whole screen, 40 in warp, 20 in missions.

I'll get some screenshots of the problem when I get home. I'm thinking it's depth buffer problem, but I don't have a windows install to check.

Fedman Kasad
Posted - 2007.05.18 09:38:00 - [29]
 

Ok but, is it really playable? As in, in real situations etc? Does it cause more graphics lag in big battles or not? Does it crash more often in awkward situations, etc...?

And also - is Cedega worth getting if it works with wine as well?
Please advise, because i am getting very sick of Windows and i generally keep it just because of EVE(other game i actually play atm is Quake, which i can get in Linux aswell), so i'd be oh so happy to finally ditch it.

J'Mkarr Soban
Posted - 2007.05.18 20:09:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Fedman Kasad
Ok but, is it really playable? As in, in real situations etc? Does it cause more graphics lag in big battles or not? Does it crash more often in awkward situations, etc...?

And also - is Cedega worth getting if it works with wine as well?
Please advise, because i am getting very sick of Windows and i generally keep it just because of EVE(other game i actually play atm is Quake, which i can get in Linux aswell), so i'd be oh so happy to finally ditch it.


On pure playability, yes, very very workable. Missions are a breeze, I was getting 20fps easy in them (and thanks to the list of settings above, I've just doubled my framerate everywhere else - 50fps are Motsu CNLS station Very Happy) ~70 in warp tunnel. It's wonderful. Hell, Cedega itself is utterly amazing, especially since 6. I mean Oblivion running OOTB? Genius. I will happily pay for Cedega for the foreseeable future.


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