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Kan Gaxx
Minmatar
Creation Services Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.22 06:53:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Murtkelpekin

But scamming timecards, that are usually bought for real currency, should not be tolerated in any way.


And it isnt. GTC-sales and character transfers ARE PROTECTED by CCP.

Saralle Zhukov
Minmatar
Lucian Alliance
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.02.22 09:24:00 - [62]
 

The EVE developers (BoB scammers) are going to "Fix this"? I think not. Romeo is prolly a Dev himself, probably crying all the way to the bank that Ebay won't let him make a profit anymore.

Marcathonas
Minmatar
Beastmode.
Posted - 2007.02.22 09:48:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Saralle Zhukov
The EVE developers (BoB scammers) are going to "Fix this"? I think not. Romeo is prolly a Dev himself, probably crying all the way to the bank that Ebay won't let him make a profit anymore.


If r0me0 was a dev I think a hell of a lot of people would be a hell of a lot more worried about the state of EVE.

Cut out the tinfoil crap kthx.

OP: It's perfectly legit. Pay far more attention to what's going on, you deserved to lose 900mil if you had no idea what freeform was.

And no, it shouldn't be removed. Freeform has other uses besides scamming, but scamming's teh easiest.

Maybe you should send 90mil to r0me0 actually, I hear he's a nice chap who sends back 10x as much!Rolling Eyes


hotgirl933
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:03:00 - [64]
 

its legal please read the forums more often

Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:05:00 - [65]
 

Sorry to hear of your misfortune.

Do Not ever use Freeform auctions, they are all scams practically. There is no use for a freeform contract other than to scam.

When you are looking for contracts just switch the view filter to item exchange and only consider those.

I am sorry but CCP will not reimburse you. They consider scamming part of the game, which is sad because it turns more folks against the game then the folks it brings into the game.

dfgdfgerdv
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:08:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: LordKain
Moved from sell orders section - hutch




a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed.
I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????

Totaly Shock , is it true????

crazy, plz help me



You have been playing since 2003 and still didnt know scamming was legal in EVE.. i smell..**ay

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:09:00 - [67]
 

Scamming is a valid tactic in this game. It's just as much a part of the game play as running level 4 missions is. The rules allow it.

Andrea Tesla
Caldari
Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:31:00 - [68]
 

I see no reason, why CCP should do anything about it.

There IS already a quite obvious warning label implemented with Freeforms. There is already a warning issued, when you auction something to a single person.

To me these reimbursement cries are the same, as if someone flew to 0.1 and got blown up, then complained, that CCP is not doing anything about it (as there IS a warning, when you enter low sec (at least for the very first time, there is).

The best way to avoid scams is to read what you are signing.

AT

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:41:00 - [69]
 

In Eve Darwin plays the markets


Originally by: LordKain
As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him
Win

Ben Musso
Posted - 2007.02.22 10:56:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Ben Musso on 22/02/2007 10:56:44
Originally by: LordKain
Lets assume after the posts:

1. dishonest players are protecting, beacsue of no CCP reaction
2. unclear forms of contracting, maybe more events needed to do sth
3. lack of CCP comments, no idea how solve this problem
4. players acceptance as a standard part of game
5. anything else?




1. No ... dishonest players are protected by the game mechanism. It's legit to try to scam you out of your cash using FREEFORM contracts that look good but not worth the clicks it takes to accept them. CCP does not have to react in any way. And anyho ... it's only a scam if you fall for it ... before that it's only something to laught at if you know how to READ !

2. Unclear ? What's so unclear about FREEFORM ... it's not labelled ITEM EXCHANGE or AUCTION

3. You are not the first, won't be the last that whine's on the forum for not being able to read and/or grasp what freeform means. There have been replies in the past and if you wanna take it up with somebody, file a petition and swallow the response. Another idea is to check the forum for previous threads about this topic instead of creating a new one.

Read above as "IT IS NO PROBLEM EVEN IF *YOU* THINK IT IS" ...

4. Heck if I know what you mean there.

5. Yes ... stop whining.

No Sig.

Flyer11
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:04:00 - [71]
 

i love these kind of threads, they make me laugh.. "i got scammed and lost 90m when i accepted a freeform contract or i sent r0me0 900m expecting 10x more back" why should ccp do anything about it when it's YOU that clicks accept not them Confused not ccp's fault some people are moronsLaughing

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:06:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: LordKain
Moved from sell orders section - hutch




a few minutes ago some scamer contracted to me some qty of t2 ship using freeform contract. After that I was inform that contract was failed.
I mailed to him and tried to understand what was happend. As a result he confimed that I was stolen by him and the CCP allowed this scamming...!!!!! what????

Totaly Shock , is it true????

crazy, plz help me




Scamming is very necessary. It keeps ISK out of the hands of people too stupid to be able to use it wisely and safely.

Mike Spike
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:09:00 - [73]
 

I wonder, if the bad feeling goes away, if you scam more often.
I've set up a few scam contracts to try it out last week.
Most of them will never work and they really stinks like scams. The char name already suggests that the char is a scammer, also the bio.
I don't know, why I made it relatively obvious.

So as I saw this thread, I checked my new scamming alt. 30mil isk more on my wallet. The not so obvious scam that was anyway solely based on trust has worked.
My first thought was that some poor guy has bought it and that made me feel bad. Can't wire him the isk back though, since I don't have his name in the logs.
Wish, my other scam had worked. I tried to sell the position of BoBs capital construction arrays. That was the most rediculous thing that came into my mind that day in my boredom. I thought, if someone buys it, it's really hilarious. Laughing

Don't know, if I go on. I feel dirty now. Waiting for the hate mail.

Tista
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:12:00 - [74]
 

There is no such thing as a scam in eve.. other than not being paid a single isk for something.

By this i mean the market is player controled.. meaning you paid 250mil for a caracal.. that caracal could very well sell for 250mil next week if bpos were removed and production of the ship stopped.

This sounds harsh but it is logical.. players create the market and use it as they do.. currently Hulks sell for 595mil.. this isnt a good price considering the history of the ships sales but it is the price you will pay for the ship if you want one.. since it is decided by the seller.

If you did not read/check t2 items when buying them i'm not suprised you failed to recieve what you paid for.
To compare it to real life.. i will put it this way,
lets say you get 2000 pounds and you want to buy a plasma TV.. you go into the shop and find the one you want.
First thing you do when you purchase something of high value to you is check that it works.. you effectivly bought a 15inch black and white TV for the price of a 60 inch plasma screen.. when you could have opend the box and checked.

It is simple in Eve.. look, show info, buy... sorted.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:13:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08


but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...

I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?

I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...





It gets worse! Apparently someone can blow your ship up and kill your pod and CCP won't do a thing!

Flyer11
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:16:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08


but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...

I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?

I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...





It gets worse! Apparently someone can blow your ship up and kill your pod and CCP won't do a thing!


really, say it isnt true LMAO!!!LaughingLaughingShockedSurprised

Lorn Yeager
Versatech Co.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:22:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08


but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...

I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?

I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...




The whole contract thing is pretty bullet proof if you use it correctly.
just like Item exchange - if you bother to read the contract you wont get scammed.

Freeform on the other hand or auctions set to 1mill start bid is just you
placing too much trust in someone you dont know. That CCP cant help you with.


Melldorain
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:26:00 - [78]
 

Scamming is a nice part of the game. Scamming by default not being nice - It does take a bastard to do! - but the fact scamming/corp-thieving/etc is allowed in game, without being blown away with a petition, makes for some really exiting and alternative gameplay not found in any other game - Just proves that EVE-Online is highly player driven and open-ended.

Only thing I could wish for in regards to scamming is that there were more ways to bait scammers and turn the tide, so it ended with you (the target) scamming the scammer. Currently scamming doesn't really have much of a risk If someone decline your scam you just search for at less bright victim and you can reroll a new toon if your reputation gets too known. I don't know what tools should be put in game to allow more bait-scamming but currently it's very limited what you can pull out of the hat.

Mike Spike
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:28:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Mike Spike on 22/02/2007 11:26:49
Originally by: Tista
There is no such thing as a scam in eve.. other than not being paid a single isk for something.

By this i mean the market is player controled.. meaning you paid 250mil for a caracal.. that caracal could very well sell for 250mil next week if bpos were removed and production of the ship stopped.

I've sold a bookmark to something that doesn't exist for 30 mil.
I'm still looking for a way to get it in line with your statement that there are no scams in EVE. Maybe I don't have to feel bad afterall. Wink

Estel Arador
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:33:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: LordKain
it's funny no CCP response


You can read CCP's stance on this whenever you accept a (any) freeform contract. You know the warning which says "there are known scams involving exactly this"...

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:33:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Flyer11
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:33:08


but still essential issue is why CCP isnt going to protect honest players if they receive many petitions on that...

I pay fee for this game and I expect that CCP wants to help us, doesnt?

I dont need atittudes like above I wanna solve this generally...





It gets worse! Apparently someone can blow your ship up and kill your pod and CCP won't do a thing!


really, say it isnt true LMAO!!!LaughingLaughingShockedSurprised



I'm afraid so. Who wants my stuff?

Jahria Jaeger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.22 11:55:00 - [82]
 

Im afraid that better be cheater like BOB or scammerthan honest player in game

GM Fire

Posted - 2007.02.22 12:02:00 - [83]
 

Hi,

We have a knowledgebase article on this subject, please do check it out:
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=34

Character transfer scams, GTC scams and the like are strictly forbidden and the offenders will be punished in accordance with our EULA.

Regards,
GM Fire
EVE Online Customer Support

Quilan Ziller
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:08:00 - [84]
 

One thing that has not yet been mentioned in this thread is the warning dialog that one gets when he accepts the freeform contract.

It is a big and scary looking dialog that CCP has added in one of the latest patches. I don't remember the exact wording, but it says in BIG, BOLD letters that the issuer of the contract IS NOT obligated to hand over any items. It also says that there is a well known SCAMMING method that utilizes freeform contracts. Yes, you got me right. When you do try to accept a freeform, there is a warning that comes up "Warning Will Robertson: it is a SCAM!".

There is no reason to fall for a freeform scam if you actually read all the dialogs. And it is not just small print. It is extremely conspicious.

Still people fall for freeforms in droves.

Same thing with the "private auction" scam. It is extremely obvious. Yes, if you are setting up a private auction to a 1-person corp, you are going to sell your Thanatos carrier for 1000 ISK. Yet people still fall for this, and complain on the forums.

Sheesh. Read. Think. And you won't get scammed. That simple. No sympathy to the OP from me.

Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:11:00 - [85]
 

As in real life, a simple lesson is that "if it seems to good to be true, then it probably is".

It's the same when you get a cold sales call telling you have won a trip to Barbados, and all you need to do is send in a admin fee to claim your prize...

It's the same when you walk down the street and a guy with a clipboard offers you "free movie tickets" - you know there is a catch right?

Most scammers in game operate on the fact that "1 in 100 people will fall for it". It's as simple as saying "Send me ISK and I will send 10x back". Most people will simply ignore you, but around 1 in 100 will "try" and send you ISK. If you do this often enough, and in populated channels (Jita), then you will make a fortune.

Remember, scammers, thieves, etc will always follow the path of least resistance, and they rely on spamming their scams in the knowledge eventually one will reply. Its why we have so much spam in real life. Its about quantity, not the quality of the scam.

I feel for the OP, who being rather new to the contract process, put faith in the system to protect him - he's learnt the hard way that even the contract system is not 100% foolproof.

If everyone just uses some common sense, they wont be scammed. I would go so far to say that I believe it's impossible to be scammed if you use common sense and remember "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is".

These are just my thoughts - I am not condoning nor condemning any one or action - and as long as you don't make a mistake twice, it wasn't a mistake in the first place.

Byron Wayne
Caldari
Junkyard Gunners
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:21:00 - [86]
 

From the title of the thread
I was thinking
Non stop scamming from Kieron was the reason
CCP does nothing

ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:32:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: CarboniC
Idiots, utter idiots. That's all i have to say to people that fall victims to "scams" such as Caracals being sold as Cerbs, free form contracts, some guy not long ago making an auction for a scammer with starting bid of 1 mill.... jeez, can you even read?

It's one thing when scams like EIB happen, in those, the victims take all precautions, pay all the attention, read everything, and in the end, it just ends up being on broken trust.

But to the OP here.... I don't feel sorry at the slightest. The more people like you are scammed, the less of your (brainless) kind will be around


Hi

There are players who are just learning the game - did you start out mr perfect - did you know all there is to know? Coments like you have put in your text - does not identify someone so smart.

The guy was asking something - dont abuse players that have fallen foul -- help him out by puting constructive comments.

Carb



newbies havbe the warning messages still activated, where it clearly warns from accepting freeforms and even names it the source of numerous scams. so its all the fault of the person if he didnt read the warning message or even had them removed

Bazuka
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:36:00 - [88]
 

All of you "smart" people that keep saying "It`s your own fault dude , learn from it!!! " are not that smart realy.
You are forgeting the most obvious thing as why people might get scamed even with the warnings and all.

And the simple answer is.... not so good at English ?
WOW , EUREKA !!! All of you smart asses just discovered that very big portion of the EvE players are NOT from US or England.
I am not ( Enlish grammar needs work but I try )and the OP is definatly NOT..if you read his post.

Do you feel litle stupider now for shooting your mouth like that ?


Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:42:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: LordKain
Edited by: LordKain on 21/02/2007 18:45:17
i lost 900m
dont tell me this is legit


Sorry to hear that m8, but sounds as if everything was legit. NEVER EVER use freeform contracts for any sort of business.

I have no clue why CCP made them available but they are in game. Well, you lost a fight in the PvP market section. Some people lose ships in combats, some lose ships in contracts.

Don't trust anyone, always make sure that you are not running into a trap.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.02.22 12:46:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Bazuka
All of you "smart" people that keep saying "It`s your own fault dude , learn from it!!! " are not that smart realy.
You are forgeting the most obvious thing as why people might get scamed even with the warnings and all.

And the simple answer is.... not so good at English ?
WOW , EUREKA !!! All of you smart asses just discovered that very big portion of the EvE players are NOT from US or England.
I am not ( Enlish grammar needs work but I try )and the OP is definatly NOT..if you read his post.

Do you feel litle stupider now for shooting your mouth like that ?





If only there was some way that they could ask for help in translating those messages.... you know, like in game langauge-specific chat-channels or something. Those would be great.

I wonder if you can tell me: in what langauge does the freeform warning look like "Just ignore me and click OK, everything is fine - no need to find out what this message really says"


Meanwhile, the OP seems to have adequate language skills.


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