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Tarphon
Caldari
Helljumpers
En Garde
Posted - 2007.02.18 22:55:00 - [61]
 

I agree with the OP

weak pvp from the "pvp alliance"

Would somebody clear out these stupid bob alt post... or are we going to see another rule change, FFS

Audri Fisher
Caldari
Burning Bush Enterprises
Posted - 2007.02.19 01:47:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Stickey Crak
can you please tell me what honor in a online game is? i've never understood this.. ppl expect others to act honorable in a place where everyone is faceless, no RL contact no nothing.. just bits and pixles. You'll get more "honor" from a stranger on a street than you ever get from online character. For you who are crying honor this honor that, get a grip EvE isn't real nor is honor. And as i understand it, "honor" for you ppl would be where... Well tbh i have no idea what you mean by honor.

Its not honorable to kill a titan while aggroed and logged? Anyone here who WOULDN'T do the same thing if the opportunity came along? Whoever says no is a pure liar and a hipocrit.

Bah theres no point in this. As i said before. You'll never get "honor" as long as people are involved. If you want "honor" while killing someone go kill NPCs. They'll fight on you terms

Anonymity is not an excuse for lack of honor, in fact it is the reason for it. Honor is not something that is judged when everyone is looking, but when no one is.

Boliknar
Minmatar
Divine Republic Holding LLC.
Posted - 2007.02.19 06:25:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Boliknar on 19/02/2007 06:22:06
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Stickey Crak
can you please tell me what honor in a online game is? i've never understood this.. ppl expect others to act honorable in a place where everyone is faceless, no RL contact no nothing.. just bits and pixles. You'll get more "honor" from a stranger on a street than you ever get from online character. For you who are crying honor this honor that, get a grip EvE isn't real nor is honor. And as i understand it, "honor" for you ppl would be where... Well tbh i have no idea what you mean by honor.

Its not honorable to kill a titan while aggroed and logged? Anyone here who WOULDN'T do the same thing if the opportunity came along? Whoever says no is a pure liar and a hipocrit.

Bah theres no point in this. As i said before. You'll never get "honor" as long as people are involved. If you want "honor" while killing someone go kill NPCs. They'll fight on you terms

Anonymity is not an excuse for lack of honor, in fact it is the reason for it. Honor is not something that is judged when everyone is looking, but when no one is.


I am not a liar nor am I a hypocrite. I am however a man who cares about how he plays a game. I dont play just to win at whatever the cost. This attitude is too prevelant in not only this game but society as a whole so i suppose I should not be surprised it has found its way here into this game. The people I play this game with would never knowingly use an opponents rl situation against him in order to what? win a computer game. Seems like a pretty low price for someones honor and dignity doesnt it. But hey its theirs they can sell it for whatever they want. My friends and myself will just keep ours a little longer...

Thanks

Noshi
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.02.19 06:38:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Viscount Hood
What does fairness and honour have to do with war?

Find the best way of killing/demoralising your opponent and use it to the full.




This how wars are won, this is how BoB beat ASCN, it surely wasnt by might. It was forum abuse against ASCN leadership, demoralizing them and making RL threats in the form of evemails. BOB will smack you until you believe it. They have no honour. Nor should anyone else.

/noshi

Chienka
Amarr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.19 10:00:00 - [65]
 

Ahh the OP couldnt have put it any better. The state of play is shocking. BoB dont fight 1 on 1s very much, if at all. Just lame exploitation of game mechanics.

Spy: Perfectly legit by any standards

Spy + Mechanics Abuse: BoB might as well be drop BMbombs and shuttlebombs at every engagement, its not exactly below them.

Cardassius
Caldari
Seraphin Technologies
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2007.02.19 11:25:00 - [66]
 

@exploit whiners

The tactic BoB used was to PREVENT the titan to use LOGOFSKI to save his ship.


Siliya
Caldari
The Lost Prophets Euro
Knights Of the Southerncross
Posted - 2007.02.19 12:43:00 - [67]
 

stupid question .... but a RL friend of mine have talked about it and I just dont have the answer

with Both Titans being lost in the same way (which is what it sounds like) is it possible to park a Titan/Mothership behind a PoS Shield (since they are both presistant) and then Eject from the titan/MS THEN Log so as to assure the Ships remain Safe from that Agro bug... or does Ejecting from one of those have some other kind of issue attached

and if there is a Detriment then why not just stay logged in and on the ship behind a PoS Shield 23/7 ?

these may seem noob questions and they are a little ... they are just aimed at the End game rather than the late game

Wibiq
Gallente
Cloak and Daggers
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:32:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Siliya
stupid question .... but a RL friend of mine have talked about it and I just dont have the answer

with Both Titans being lost in the same way (which is what it sounds like) is it possible to park a Titan/Mothership behind a PoS Shield (since they are both presistant) and then Eject from the titan/MS THEN Log so as to assure the Ships remain Safe from that Agro bug... or does Ejecting from one of those have some other kind of issue attached

and if there is a Detriment then why not just stay logged in and on the ship behind a PoS Shield 23/7 ?

these may seem noob questions and they are a little ... they are just aimed at the End game rather than the late game


It's a security issue. I can't see anyone who actually owns a Titan leaving it floating in space unmanned. Anyone who could fly it (granted probably not many people) could hop in and steal it. And BoB has already shown that they can infiltrate pretty much any alliance.

Belial02
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:52:00 - [69]
 

Last time i checked, Eve was only a game. Honor is a debatable concept IRL. Dont bring it in a pixel-destroying RPG, its just ridiculous.

Though, I admit some ppl are acting a lame way out there. The way D2 lost their titan was completelty crappy and i dont think Robert deserves any credit for that. But then standing up from your chair and do something else maybe a solution.

Ppl taking things that seriously make me wonder what else they got in life, its pretty sad tbh. In other words get a life.Rolling Eyes



Azrael Bierce
Caldari
Epsilon Lyr
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:05:00 - [70]
 

The simple thing to do, actually, would be to have the aggro timer on the logout screen, even if they don't show it in space in 0.0. You hit escape, and where it would normally say 'quit game' it'll say 'Aggro Timer: 14:02, Quit?'

Freaky Bare
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:50:00 - [71]
 

Can someone explain why we can't simply have a logoff timer on our screen? From my recollection it shows up in Empire -it's been awhile- so why can't it show up in 0.0? I like simple easy solutions when possilbe.

That BOB friends would claim these kills are a sign of skill is just sad. Yes, we all get it that you are allowed to use these tactics. It is not an exploit. Now move on and show the skill you supposedly have. If you must use cheap (IMO) tricks then do so. Just stop bragging about it.

Finally, it is really annoying to have the same people state that ctrl-q is an exploit but a spy triggering aggro is not. CCP can make whatever rulings they want and I will still play. For everyone else - either using game mechanics is an exploit or it is not.

Intellectual honesty or STFU.

Goumindong
Amarr
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2007.02.19 18:01:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Cardassius
@exploit whiners

The tactic BoB used was to PREVENT the titan to use LOGOFSKI to save his ship.




?

SPQRMocton
Minmatar
Vertigo Heavy Industries
Vertigo Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.19 18:07:00 - [73]
 

not gonna bother after all

NightmareX
Caldari
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.02.19 18:13:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 19/02/2007 18:24:02
Originally by: Cardassius
@exploit whiners

The tactic BoB used was to PREVENT the titan to use LOGOFSKI to save his ship.




What the hell are you talking about?. How could he do that when there was NO enemies in the same system as the Titan pilot when he logged off? OMG i need to use logoffski (CTRL + Q) cuz a friendly is shooting weeee.

He had to log off because of rl issues.

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.02.19 21:59:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Cardassius
@exploit whiners

The tactic BoB used was to PREVENT the titan to use LOGOFSKI to save his ship.




um no... im pretty sure they used it to avoid confronting a titan... i bet you that the next titan kill will also go to bob in similar situations!

Zarrika Khan
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.02.20 00:23:00 - [76]
 

To the OP:

As others have stated: Even a general sense of honor understood by anyone and everyone can only be self imposed upon yourself. You can 'hope' others will agree to it but you cannot force them to.

That being said, you can choose to play this game (or any other) with others who feel the way you do and play it how you would like to... avoid the possible exploits and cheats etc.. fight to the death and so on if you choose to play where that is a possibility and so on regardless of the actions or tactics of your opponents.

Or you can choose to not play where the possible exploits will be used against you.

Posting in here to get a feel for what others think when there are only a small handfull of possible outcomes for realistic option based on the opinions of others was 'reaching' at best... not sure what you hoped it would get you.

You stated that you are not sure if it is worth to continue playng EVE because of 'game mechanics' and the 'exploits':

You should only be playing 'any' game if you have fun playing it. SO if there is any 'part' of EVE that you still find fun and it will keep you happy then I suggest you do that. Otherwise you must realize that you are no longer having fun with EVE for your own reasons and either give it a break and find something else to play until you feel differently (miss something about EVE) or just quit outright and never look back.

Sylen
Caldari
Greater Order Of Destruction
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.02.20 15:58:00 - [77]
 

Learn to deal with it. In battle anything goes to win a fight, the age of honor in war has long past with the creation of guns, lasers, and weapons that can extinguish the life of thousands with a push of a button.

Its also a game, so use every trick in the book to win a fight. Even a real strategist and tactician knows that the weaker and more confused you can make an enemy, the better you have at winning a battle with a disciplined force.

You haven't studied your war history at all. If you look back a couple thousand years, the Romans did the same. They cheated, so did the ancient Greeks, or Chinese, and even modern countries like Russia, Germany and the US all "cheated" in war. Its all about knowing how to effectively use any tool, any strategy, and equipment you're given to win a war. If you want to know real honor, its not about how you fight a battle, but how you treat it afterwards, and how you treat the people you have defeated.

True honor comes from respecting everyone, even your most hated enemy. If you can't have that most basic respect, then you have no honor anyways, whatever you do to destroy your enemies.


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