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Ling Xiao
Minmatar
Prism Project Technologies
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [181]
 

It's hilarious when logon-trap experts whine about "under-handed" tactics Laughing

Fedaykinn
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Fedaykinn on 16/02/2007 21:54:25
Originally by: Imode
Originally by: Fedaykinn
Lol you know what the funny thing is we took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in O_O then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out.

At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in.

Meh anyway there will always be spies and things like this will happen its not exactly a lawful kill but nvm. Praise the day when a Titan is taken down while its pilot is logged on


You also have the balls to fight a Titan before it's even built. Props.



LMAO we alrdy have 2 titans to deal with you really think we want another one? its was a well planned attack to take it out before it was even built we got enough enemy titans DDing us alrdy

Seriously ur sayin if you knew a enemy titan was in production and you already had 2 of em to deal. And you knew you had a good chance of taking it out before its finally produced you wouldnt take it?

What we did was a strategic attack on LV, what BOB did was a underhand tactic to take out a logged off titan hmm which is more honourable ?

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [183]
 

Question raise, did he log inside pos and when he warped off came outside bubble before he went in warp?
If that is the case, how the hell will it be safe to warp?

SNeAkYbRiT
Caldari
Gunslingers Corp
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Eron Lygera
Edited by: Eron Lygera on 16/02/2007 21:44:27
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that Dē will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD.

They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash"

We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game?

If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, crack on cause I don't give a smeg anymore!


Do you believe that yourself?

First, why would a game developing company favor a certain player alliance over others?
What could they possible gain from this?

Second... step away from the PC, look in mirror and repeat 10 times "its just a game".

From a empire dveller to all you 0.0 jockies - what is wrong with you?




I believe the admission on what a DEV apologised for! and CCP have mentioned time and time again that they approve of the alliance and how it is run, and this alliance is BoB...with the above admission of this DEV and with the lack of action from CCP errr I think alot of players seem undone too.

So walk away from the comp ya self and drink some coffee and wake TFU

jarack
Caldari
The Wretched.
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [185]
 

By looking at these screenshots here:
Screen Shot 1
It shows, that the D2 Titan, was at Planet VI - Moon 10, with the Covert-Ops smartbombing to create the agression timer.

But if im at all wrong, please correct me here, but i am sure, if you log with agression you warp to a neutral point in system.
Whereas in:
Screen Shot 2
It shows the D2 Titan to be at Planet IV - Moon 12. Now i'm not entirely convinsed this location where the D2 titan logged has been placed legitimatly, because if there was a D2 POS at this current location, the titan ofcourse would be safe

My thaughts...

other mickey
Gallente
Galaxy Punks
Terra Incognita.
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: other mickey on 16/02/2007 22:00:02
Edited by: other mickey on 16/02/2007 21:57:29
I can't believe so many people are cheering BoB on. I guess some people have no honour whatsoever. The fact that BoB needs to use such a tactic to kill a Titan shows their true side. Not having the guts to actually try to kill the titan on the battlefield but resorting to "abusing" the agression timer shows the true side of the players in the BoB alliance. I'm sad to be associated by way of enjoying this game with people who have to resort to such tactics.

Yes, it was clever to get a spy to aggro the ship. But to make a plan to use the aggression timer to kill the ship in the first place, rather than actually finding a way to destroy it in combat, well, this is a sad day in Eve. Sad because it shows how much too seriously people take this game, so serious they need to use mechanics designed for fairness, so unfairly.

Anyone who thinks this was somehow a good kill, remember what the aggression timer is for. It's to stop people from "logoffski", you know, logging in a bubble to avoid losing a ship, etc. The same tactic people moan on about all the time. Bob abused the very system CCP put in place to try and prevent people from logging to avoid combat. (Ironically, they abused this mechanic so they themselves could avoid combat.) The timer was not meant to be a means to destroy ships when the pilot is logged off for real life reasons.

Rock on D2. I'm sure titan number X is just about to roll out of the shipyards. Look forward to seeing you guys out in fountain!

o7

(Edit, to the poster above, Moon 12 is about 1/2 Mil KM from moon 10. That shot just shows the nearest object. It doesn't mean it was at the same spot you would go to if u warped to that planet)

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [187]
 

Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed?

Phelsior
Gallente
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [188]
 

No respect from this kill. I shake my head in disgust of such low blows clearly taking advantage of game mechanics. No skill. Just possessing no morale makes this possible.

Ozzie Asrail
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:58:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Blazde
Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:52:46
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Blazde
I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this.


Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds.

iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer.


It's to stop people knowingly logging out during combat (to save their ship). Not so that players lose ships on technicalities, and especially not when those technicalities are forced by their opponent through convuluted means that specifically rely on the player logging off just to kill the ship.

There *should* be a highly visible onscreen PvP timer (and probably also an annoying "you are PvP flagged, this means your ship will remain in space for 15 minutes, do you really really want to log" popup to go with it.) The displayed agression timer sort of works when NPCs shoot you, even though the rules on that are different, but for some reason has never been properly coded for PvP.

To be sure, I disagreed with the ASCN titan loss for the same reasons. But at least that was avoidable, everyone knows if you use a DD, then log within 15 minutes, you'll still be flagged.

But in this case there's no way the D2 pilot could have been sure he wasn't flagged unless he happened to have onscreen logs on, and noticed the split-second message about the SB. That's a broken game, not a clever kill.


it's called a damage log. Every client writes one to C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\capture\Gamelogs

Commander Thrawn
Caldari
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 - [190]
 

Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 16/02/2007 21:55:24
Originally by: Chi Prime
I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today.

Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)!


lol
as far as im concerned locking someone with passive targeter in a pos is an exploit. so this is still cheating

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime.


Correct. They did. So what's your point?

It's really a personal thing if people think this is a legit kill or not.

I'd ask anyone who says "Yeah it's great, got a titan nailed!" to ask themselves if it would feel the same if BoBs titan was nailed the same way.

And anyone who says "This is pathetic. This goes against the spirit of the game." to ask themselves would they still be saying it if it was BoBs titan they nailed that way. Would they justify it by saying BoB earned this kind of treatment?

In any case, make your own opinions, and then don't bother posting them. What is done is done. And there's no point everybody posting "I think it rocks" and "I think it sucks".

aggro
Minmatar
devil's reborn
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:59:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: aggro
why cant people play fair.


every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc.

this game and tactics seem to be getting worse.

USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS

WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP.

LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE scum MENTALITY


When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then?

Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self.

Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that.


I have no idea what you mean lorth. I have always played fair and many people in mc know all my characters soyou are talking out of your ar*e.
I have great respect to many ex suprm members in MC, which did include you.
BUT LORTH STFU

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [193]
 

Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:02:15

THEGREAT LOBO
Minmatar
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [194]
 

Lame....

Sorry for the loss d2 :(

Martin Mckenna
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed?



seems like it....alot of bull**** imo

Ordinaire
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Kozak
Originally by: Ordinaire
Why are members of AaA accusing BoB of using "lame tactics"?

I especially enjoy seeing new members like Kozak and Black Lance Corp coming here and pretending like they're white knights.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


You have proof of anything that I have ever done wrong in this game? Please let us all know about it, I'm curious now.


I was referring to your so called alliance mates, RAT. Are you allowed to run a complex yet?

Admentus Cor'vion
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:00:00 - [197]
 

Quote:


Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin at fools like me
Who in the world you think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Evryone come on





/me puts a lighter up.

I'm going to say it's refreshing that people are saying "Dirty, and legit" at the same time. I hope that in due time people will understand that BOB isn't there because of a bunch of cheating idiots got together and did something, but more because of years of dedication and hard work and not only outplaying, but out-thinking opponents.

Quality work BOB, to D2, my sincere apologies (as ffs that would hurt hurt hurt to have happen). With your industrial might I see it being no big deal in the long run for you though.


PeveS
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [198]
 

Hmm... 7 pages of replies. 0 BoB in it. Says enough!

Raivi
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Raivi on 16/02/2007 21:57:31
Grats to BoB on a well executed plan
All (within game mechanics) is fair in love and war

Evil Thug
Minmatar
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [200]
 

Kill is always kill. Hate to say that, but : awesome job bob Neutral

Dekiri
Gallente
Useless Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [201]
 

I just hope noone better blame the titan pilot for this=)

I don't think this was to be expected the idea was definitly out of the box and no matter how lame it was if it was outside pos shields then it was a lame but legit kill.

Still does not change your fate =P

The fact that you try things like this just shows how desperate you are .. or what a bunch of lamers you are =)

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed?


That's the question Virtuozzo raised, and if that is the case then the GMs are going to have to defer to Devs and Helmar to make a decision here.

The best time to strike is when the titan has already logged off. When you see the red box in the corner, hit the smarty.

If that's the case then reimbursement is a possibility...

SentryRaven
Gallente
KIA Corporation
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: jarack
By looking at these screenshots here:
Screen Shot 1
It shows, that the D2 Titan, was at Planet VI - Moon 10, with the Covert-Ops smartbombing to create the agression timer.

But if im at all wrong, please correct me here, but i am sure, if you log with agression you warp to a neutral point in system.
Whereas in:
Screen Shot 2
It shows the D2 Titan to be at Planet IV - Moon 12. Now i'm not entirely convinsed this location where the D2 titan logged has been placed legitimatly, because if there was a D2 POS at this current location, the titan ofcourse would be safe

My thaughts...


That is indeed the NEAREAST Object in space... not where you actually are.

FowlPlayChiken
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:01:00 - [204]
 

there seems to be a lack of smart people reading before posting:-p the titan was outside shield, and smartied by a covops. seems pretty legit to me. brilliant, actually. I wish i had thought of that.

GJ bob. bawk!

Alice Cholmondeley
Amarr
I Am Legend
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:02:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Commander Thrawn
Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 16/02/2007 21:55:24
Originally by: Chi Prime
I must admit, I would love to see apologies for all the accusations of cheating in the other threads today.

Anyway, condolances on the loss, congrats on the kill. Good luck and have fun to everyone (it's a game, after all)!


lol
as far as im concerned locking someone with passive targeter in a pos is an exploit. so this is still cheating


That's good then, because they never did that. Try reading the thread before accusing people again. Next post from you better be an excuse.

Grimeh
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:03:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Metatron Celestia
I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan.


It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :)


How do you class d2 using non d2 forums to gain IP addresses to match with there own TS and forum records?

IS that not dirty meta gaming o dear Fred0?

DDaisy
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:03:00 - [207]
 

Regardless of whether this ability to activate a hi-slot module inside a pos (although the .jpg would indicate it is outside) is considered an exploit or not is in all honesty irrelavent. Using spies? Sucks but hey that's part of the game? Using the spy to pass intel on that the pilot is about to log off and will drop the aggro on him? That is disgraceful, that is not in-game mechanics that is KNOWING someone is leaving the game for a period of time and EXPLOITING that. As someone posted earlier that is not what the log off timer was designed for. Well executed plan? Like heck it was. It was a lame manipulation of the EULA to access a loophole where there is a very grey area between in-game mechanics and exploiting someone who is legitimately logging off.


People don't pay their subs to this game to have pillocks like that manipulate the rules and CCP are fools for letting it happen.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:04:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:01:50
Originally by: aggro


I have no idea what you mean lorth. I have always played fair and many people in mc know all my characters soyou are talking out of your ar*e.
I have great respect to many ex suprm members in MC, which did include you.
BUT LORTH STFU


I'm just wondering why your not protesting the use of spys by your own allience against the MC, yet seem to go on a rage when bob does the same thing.

I'm just pointing out your publicly chastizing BOB for doing a tactic that your own allience performed just last night (IE using a spy to gain an advantage)

In which case I think that you need to admit that you have a double standered, and frankly appoligize to me, and the rest of the eve community for throwning mud around at a group utilizing the exact same tactics your own alliance does.

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:04:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Chrome Coyote
Congrats to CCP for allowing and encouraging incredibly cheap tactics like this that are the only way to take down a titan!

******* pathetic. Hard to disrespect BoB on this, as CCP has shown time and again they'll cater to those who fight the dirtiest rather than those who fight the hardest - so why do otheriwse?


Because taking down a titan under construction by crashing the node with 1000 people is the cool way to do it, right?

Poses don't die with crashed nodes. Its really too bad that LV couldn't put up a competent fight and instead had to hope that nuking the server over and over again would let them save their titan or at least get it petitioned back.

Jarjar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:04:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Lorth
I need to sum up this thread.

Goonswarm: Use a spy to find a POS with a titan building and destroy it. Thats ok

AAA: Use a spy in the MC to attempt to do a fair amount of damage... Thats ok

D2: Use spys as much as anyone, not to mention the whole forum thing... Thats ok

BOB: Use a spy to aggro a dread pilot who logs without noticing it... Thats very bad

Just in case anyone was wondering.

Titan, actually, so multiply the price figure by what... 40? 80?

Lamest kill (that I have "seen") ever, TBH. The aggro timer wasn't meant for this.


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