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Gull De'Kuntos
Caldari
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [151]
 

CHEATS!

Tridik
Caldari
High Sec Risk Management Services
Waterboard
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [152]
 

All's fair in love and war.

Red Crown
Gallente
Kudzu Collective
Notoriety Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:48:00 - [153]
 

Even if the individual sections of the plan were legit...in the end I'd call the whole thing an exploit. At the very least, very, very, very underhanded.

Even if its not in the letter its in the spirit. 'Exploit - 2. To make use of selfishly or unethically' , after the titan pilot logged off the plan took place fully outside of intended game mechanics, until he logged back in when it was already too late. Log timers were designed to prevent loggofskis, not to render a pilot and his ship 100% helpless.

Very low. Even if CCP decides it was a legit move, no respect. At all. At best BoB here is guilty of playing very, very dirty...


Alice Cholmondeley
Amarr
I Am Legend
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos
CHEATS!


IDIOT!

whisk
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: whisk on 16/02/2007 21:45:58
PEOPLE STOP SCREAMING EXPLOIT, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE POS SHIELD AND ENGAGED WITH A SMARTBOMB

So in otherwords, stop your crying and deal with it.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Metatron Celestia
I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan.


It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :)

Lord Loom
Gallente
Loom Service
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:49:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Lord Loom on 16/02/2007 21:47:09
Originally by: Helen
Wow this game is going downhill fast.


I have to agree with that...

Originally by: Blazde
I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this.

and that

Mindblank
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [158]
 

Sad about the loss Ovaron... and a big props for the statement. Now go and do the same to BoB Wink

ph33rf4ct0ry
Minmatar
Hookers From Mars
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos
CHEATS!


******

Qu'ut Nez
Minmatar
Norges Sildesalgslag
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Qu''ut Nez on 16/02/2007 21:47:13
If smartbombs AREN'T supposed to work inside POS shields (haven't heard any official stance on that, personally) AND they were used inside a POS shield, then it's an exploit.

If either one of those are false, then it's a fair kill and a good plan. Dirty maybe, but dirty in the "twist your mustahce and snicker" kind of way, not an exploit or a cheat.

edit: one of the screens shows it is outside the shields, fair kill, good job BoB. Now die.

Borasao
Caldari
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Ovaron
Statement Dusk and Dawn

Today Dē lost an Erebus class Titan.



Regardless of what happened and how, kudos to Ovaron and Dē for posting an official response that cleared up a big mess about a situation that must be demoralizing. That, alone, is worthy of respect.

thereisnolag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Chi Prime
...to see apologies ...
Honestly I don't think people understand the concept on these forums. Better luck with the next one D2!

Virtuozzo
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Virtuozzo on 16/02/2007 21:50:48
ok .. so titan announces to log off, spy decloaks and hits mwd to approach the ship, right before the ship disappears (which takes it out of the shields perfectly in line with eve's design features) the spy activates the smartbomb, and as such sets the aggro timer.

So, is that the process?

Ordinaire
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [164]
 

Why are members of AaA accusing BoB of using "lame tactics"?

I especially enjoy seeing new members like Kozak and Black Lance Corp coming here and pretending like they're white knights.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:51:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: aggro
why cant people play fair.


every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc.

this game and tactics seem to be getting worse.

USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS

WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP.

LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE scum MENTALITY


When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then?

Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self.

Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that.

Imode
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:52:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Fedaykinn
Lol you know what the funny thing is we took shrikes titan down to strucure 3 days ago while he was logged in O_O then bob jumped in 3 motherships and used cap exchangers to let it jump out.

At least we have the balls to fight a titan pilot while its logged in.

Meh anyway there will always be spies and things like this will happen its not exactly a lawful kill but nvm. Praise the day when a Titan is taken down while its pilot is logged on


You also have the balls to fight a Titan before it's even built. Props.

Ozzie Asrail
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:53:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Metatron Celestia
I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan.


It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :)


How? I've been in TS with a enemies taunting us in local that they can hear our exact TS chat.

Using a inagme spy, with ingame ship, with ingame weapon, to flag ingame with agro rules...

Please dude. Rolling Eyes

putukas
Amarr
Enterprise Estonia
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:53:00 - [168]
 

very nicely executed plan. Very good work.


Ferocious FeAr
Caldari
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:53:00 - [169]
 

Lorth speaks common sense.

Jon Lucien
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:54:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Jon Lucien on 16/02/2007 21:51:10

FowlPlayChiken
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that Dē will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD.

They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash"

We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game?

If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, crack on cause I don't give a smeg anymore!



wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime.

Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Popsikle on 16/02/2007 21:54:41
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Metatron Celestia
I have no love for BoB, and would love for them to die, but this is a sound legitimate tactic. No exploits, just a spy from within, and a well thought out, well executed plan.


It's the ugliest metagaming trick we've seen so far in EVE but hey now we know and it was just a ship :)


I dunno, this was pretty bad : http://eve.klaki.net/heist/

EDIT: Neither one of these (the d2 kill and the heist) were really metagaming, as it used 100% ingame methods....

The Jok3r
Gallente
Hookers From Mars
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:55:00 - [173]
 

all within the rules, cunning and ruthless GJ BOOBIES

Blazde
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:56:02
Edited by: Blazde on 16/02/2007 21:52:46
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
Originally by: Blazde
I'm almost certain the PvP timer wasn't designed to allow this.


Yes is was. It's so people can't simply logout the second someone fire s ashot at them as disapear in 60 seconds.

iirc it's the same rules as has bene sinceki started playing. Get shot = 15 inute timer.


It's to stop people knowingly logging out during combat (to save their ship). Not so that players lose ships on technicalities, and especially not when those technicalities are forced by their opponent through convuluted means that specifically rely on the player logging off just to kill the ship.

There *should* be a highly visible onscreen PvP timer (and probably also an annoying "you are PvP flagged, this means your ship will remain in space for 15 minutes, do you really really want to log" popup to go with it.) The displayed agression timer sort of works when NPCs shoot you, even though the rules on that are different, but for some reason has never been properly coded for PvP.

To be sure, I disagreed with the ASCN titan loss for the same reasons. But at least that was avoidable, everyone knows if you use a DD, then log within 15 minutes, you'll still be flagged.

But in this case there's no way the D2 pilot could have been sure he wasn't flagged unless he happened to have onscreen logs on, and paid constant attention to the split-second messages about any SB hits from friendlies. That's a broken game, not a clever kill.

bsspewer
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that Dē will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD.

They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash"

We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game?

If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, crack on cause I don't give a smeg anymore!


But using a spy to find a POS where a titan was building, and then destroying it, was tottaly acceptable.

Or the actions taken against the MC which involved the use of a spy by your own allience.



Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: aggro
why cant people play fair.


every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc.

this game and tactics seem to be getting worse.

USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS

WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP.

LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE scum MENTALITY


When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then?

Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self.

Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that.


Lorth wins.

And that mom loss you speak of, was not done w/ any hack/exploit or any other kind of misuse of game mechanics. As far as I know, Helen was online the entire time fighting to survive.


Alice Cholmondeley
Amarr
I Am Legend
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:56:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
Again this shows that BoD can't and will not fight fair, We hope that Dē will continue and laugh in the face of BoD and to all the other pets of BoD.

They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash"

We all hear CCP/BoD calling for peeps to leave empire...I think what they are saying is join BoD! who really wants to play a game where CCP favour 1 alliance? CCP/BoD you must have a self destruct button and you love to press it, what is it? you embarrassed that you are pants at your own game?

If a nice little BoD puppet (MOD) wants to delete this and warn me or ban me from the forums, crack on cause I don't give a smeg anymore!



wait, bob are unfair? diddnt they get their forums hacked, ect? thats not only metagaming, its a federal/international crime.


Your sig is awesome :D ArrowSurprised

Jake Noble
Amarr
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Ovaron
Statement Dusk and Dawn

Today Dē lost an Erebus class Titan.

Because there are still a lot of questions about these recent events, here are some points from our persepective.

The Erebus pilot had planned to log out as he had things to attend to out of game, in order to do this he jumped back from the front line to a more secure system. He had not been involved in any fights or attacks for the three hours prior to this.

It seems that the Erebus was being scouted by a internal Spy who has since been identified. This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. Seconds after this, the Titan pilot logged.

So the aggro timer was increased without our pilot noticing.

Minutes after this it was reported that the Titan had not disappeared, so the pilot attempted to log back in.
Unfortunately there was no chance for him to save the Titan, due to a well executed plan by BoB who had jumped in their Capital Fleet and Support.

We always knew it was going to be a dirty war, but once again, Band of Brother prooves, it can always get more dirty.


Thank you for clearing this up, its a sad loss but kudos to BoB for pulling it off.

aggro
Minmatar
devil's reborn
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: aggro
why cant people play fair.


every titan lost and mothership etc has been with dubious tactics haks etc.

this game and tactics seem to be getting worse.

USING LAME TACTICS DONT PEOPLE HAVE MORALS

WHEN DOES POBS COME OUT SO I CAN GET AWAY FROM BOD, CURRUPT DEVS GMS AND CCP.

LETS HOPE BOD DOES NOT GO AND PLAY POBS AND RUIN THAT GAME WITH THERE scum MENTALITY


When can we expect your spy in the MC to be removed then?

Or are you going to continue to preach about the evils of BOB and thier lack of morals, while doing the exact same thing your self.

Frankly you really should be ashamed to be writing that.

Zara Torbe
Gallente
B.O.H.I.C.A Blues
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [179]
 

There seems to be a distinct lack of anything close to ADEQUATE TITAN PILOTS

I am offering my services, i won't log off with aggro and i won't crash into Suns/planets or space stations, i Promise.

Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:57:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Ordinaire
Why are members of AaA accusing BoB of using "lame tactics"?

I especially enjoy seeing new members like Kozak and Black Lance Corp coming here and pretending like they're white knights.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


You have proof of anything that I have ever done wrong in this game? Please let us all know about it, I'm curious now.


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