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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [481]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums.

Sleep well.

but my hands are clean Crying or Very sad

given the opportunity, I would not do what was done today. That is the difference Razz

Sleep well Wink

iulixxi
Caldari
EVE-RO
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [482]
 

"in war and in love there are no rules" ladies !
I believe that BoB tactics were verry clever , who knows , maybe the next titan D2 is building has an BoB pilot LOL !

Take care ... Wink

aggro
Minmatar
devil's reborn
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:39:00 - [483]
 

Originally by: Riddari
OFFICIAL

BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE

Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes.


many a true word spoken in jest

Shadowsword
Gallente
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:39:00 - [484]
 

Didn't Sir Molle said something like that, after Cyvok lost his Titan?

"We hope the next one goes down, guns blazing".

The irony is pretty strong there...

Exelsior
Gallente
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [485]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Exelsior

When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves.

Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way.

well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them


That's all nice, except for BoB, unlike what they make you believe, playing slug fest PvP battles between battleships isn't fun anymore.

Molle's idea of a "challenge" doesn't necessarily involve head to head slug fests. I think he, and most people, will find it both more interesting, and more of a challenge to carry out infiltration missions, sabotage, espionage, etc. And while there are no game rules broken, then let them do whatever they want. This is a sandbox game.

Concluding, your high "expectations" hold true only when what you expect corresponds to what Molle meant by a challenge. When they don't, and in this case they clearly don't, then the logic doesn't work, hence no reason for the high expectations Wink

VBboy
Caldari
United Confederation of Factions
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [486]
 

Respect for the way it was announced.

Well this is an interesting War in 0.0 on all fronts!

VB




Admentus Cor'vion
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:41:00 - [487]
 

Originally by: Mirida
grats to bob ?
for getting a spy into d2 - possibly
for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe
for killing a logged off titan - definitely not

Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be.


I'm really sorry I know that loosing a titan under these circumstances SUCKS, but if the tables were turned you'd be justifying the tactics just as vehemently as you are attempting to diminish the tactics used against you.

To be clear, it does take a large fleet, a fleet of which bob could easily field (as could you, as could a lot of alliances) to destroy a titan even in the midst of your drednaught fleet. The issue is, he could always warp out, doomsday, etc.

They are HARD to kill, but lets not say that Bob choose this way because they didn't have the fleet, it looks more like a perfect way to execute the objective with minimal loss. In a full out 50 + 50 drednaught engagement, any titan pilot would warp the hell out if he could. This is just a clever way of warpscrambling an un-scramable target.


RIAH HOPE
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:42:00 - [488]
 

why dont we go all together and kill bobitts over and over again to show em we disrespect this kind of gameplay!

no , iam not bob or sympatisant!

u tell me bob does a thing and theres nothing we can do about it or what?

atleast we all know now u have to think complete or u cant compete!


Pesadel0
Minmatar
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:42:00 - [489]
 

Edited by: Pesadel0 on 16/02/2007 23:39:41
Originally by: Jin Entres
"All warfare is based on deception."

"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

-Sun Tzu, Art Of War

All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances.


So why are all your comrades saying that AAA are lame ass exploiters?

P.S: Gratz for the Kill BoB

ArmyOfMe
Caldari
Hysera.
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:43:00 - [490]
 

Originally by: Exelsior
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Exelsior

When I quote you, and say 'you', I don't mean you personally. I mean the other 500 people in your alliance, and your allies, who did it. Who cares if one guy didn't do it when everyone else in your alliance did? What matters isn't whether you did or didn't wait until information came before you posted, because half of your alliance didn't. What matters is that both those who restrained themselves and those who didn't still have higher standards for everyone else around them, and especially BoB, than for themselves.

Thinking logically, where BoB is now and what they've achieved in Eve, you can't honestly say that you expected them to have done it all in a fair and moralistic sort of way? It just wouldn't happen. If anything people should have lower expectations and standards for BoB than others, and I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way.

well, this kill would have been lame whatever side that sufferd it. And i would say that with the posts from Molle about a challange and all that stuff that i would have every right to have high expectations for them


That's all nice, except for BoB, unlike what they make you believe, playing slug fest PvP battles between battleships isn't fun anymore.

Molle's idea of a "challenge" doesn't necessarily involve head to head slug fests. I think he, and most people, will find it both more interesting, and more of a challenge to carry out infiltration missions, sabotage, espionage, etc. And while there are no game rules broken, then let them do whatever they want. This is a sandbox game.

Concluding, your high "expectations" hold true only when what you expect corresponds to what Molle meant by a challenge. When they don't, and in this case they clearly don't, then the logic doesn't work, hence no reason for the high expectations Wink


Indeed a good and valid point. so for now ill let this rest(possibly got something to do with the time of dayVery Happy)

Exelsior
Gallente
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:45:00 - [491]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe

Indeed a good and valid point. so for now ill let this rest(possibly got something to do with the time of dayVery Happy)


Yeh approaching 1 AM here and i'm tired, ok cool gd night Wink

Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:45:00 - [492]
 

Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 16/02/2007 23:41:54
totally smooth... You gotta admit it. Executed like clockwork.

RadarJack
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:46:00 - [493]
 

*snip* Don't troll -Eldo

Zimi Vlasic
Amarr
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:46:00 - [494]
 

That's how it went down?

BoB just keeps pushing the classless envelope.

Guns ablazing my ass.

Mrs Nemisis
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:49:00 - [495]
 

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Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:51:00 - [496]
 

Originally by: Mrs Nemisis
Using ''pasive targetting'' to increase timer a bug? and if it, is a know bug?
Or was is passed on from a Dev within BOB?



Get a clue. They didn't use a bug.

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:51:00 - [497]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

I think this is the best sentence ever used on these forums.

Sleep well.

but my hands are clean Crying or Very sad

given the opportunity, I would not do what was done today. That is the difference Razz

Sleep well Wink


Its not about what you would have done.

Its about whats allowed in this game and what have already been done. Some are handicapped by their own principles. Some are not. And thats why some are stronger in the believes than others.

But well, i have to work tommorrow, gn chaps all you friends and foes :)

oh and btw: GRAN CANARIA FTW!!! Cool

Jin Entres
Gallente
Malevolent Intervention
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:52:00 - [498]
 

Originally by: Pesadel0
Edited by: Pesadel0 on 16/02/2007 23:39:41
Originally by: Jin Entres
"All warfare is based on deception."

"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

-Sun Tzu, Art Of War

All that matters in war is employing all means available to you to assure victory. Moral is just rhetorics that aims to control and confine, to provide excuses while ethnocentric double standards may be followed and to apply generalisations to specific circumstances.


So why are all your comrades saying that AAA are lame ass exploiters?




First, I am not the father of my comrades. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Second, nor I or MC (I speak in the capacity of a director) condone the use of metagame tactics or exploiting unintended game mechanics or bugs. Consider the statement you quoted to be strictly RP in this respect, although it certainly also applies to "RL".

Ohmite
Minmatar
Kasparov Stratagems
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:56:00 - [499]
 

Edited by: Ohmite on 16/02/2007 23:53:26
As I said in another post just because one alliance use underhand tactics doesnt mean other alliances have to follow, he did it first is no excuse or defence if it is wrong or just lame

Why cant people be bigger than this and win by playing the game in the spirit it was designed rather than finding every loophole and exploiting it to win.

Its CCPs fault for not closing these loopholes doesnt mean alliances have to use them, fight with honour not exploits or game mechanics - ALL ALLIANCES NOT JUST BOB

Arithon Draedus
Gallente
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:58:00 - [500]
 

This truly sucks.

BL D2...........Just remember that you are better that all that ****. You will bounce back...you will prevail!


iulixxi
Caldari
EVE-RO
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:58:00 - [501]
 

I could bet my Lamborghini (Very Happy) that if u EVER kill a BoB titan ure kill will be 100% fair-play , 100% legite , no spyes , no nothing. Just pure inteligence and fair-play , no luck , just becouse u are better and they are weak ... lol , do u people read what u are writing ?

I understand that u all want BoB ded becouse (even some of ure camarads agree) they are good at this game. They know how to play it ! In the end WTF do u want ? U want them to loose tha war , right ? You want them to just ... die ... well wake up guys !

This treads and this post wont stop as long BoB exists , so it becomes a realy enoying reading stuff like "BoB cheats , BoB steals , BoB ****s , BoB is bad , BoB is evil" oh come on , grow up ...

Admentus Cor'vion
Caldari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:58:00 - [502]
 

Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: ingriD
A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer.

exploit spotted.


Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute.


Moot. MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOT!

:D I wonder how many months it'll take for everyone to completely understand how it happened.



What is a homosexual cow enjoying an apple martini?

Ill take animal sounds for 600 alex.


*dings in*

A leather glove?

Cool

Pepperami
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:01:00 - [503]
 

oh my god, the continual whines/haxploits claiming are awesome.

ElCoCo
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:01:00 - [504]
 

Sucks to lose it this way and props to BoB for doing it... mixed feelings heh

If he had turned effects/messages off then tough luck.

If he was in the escape menu (which I assume can't be confirmed in any way) he should get it back.

Although I get the feeling that D2 will get their Titan back to appease the crowds... which in turn will make the crowds more sure of themselves that BoB are cheats etc... vicious circle.Rolling Eyes

Ikarushka
Gallente
CryoTech Engineering
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:02:00 - [505]
 

Edited by: Ikarushka on 17/02/2007 00:07:11
The coalition didn't think much of using spies to find LV's Titan building shipyard.

sounds like a clever plan... a lot of things must have been executed to details and BoB pulled it through, so grats I guess

ps: now i see why dreads were left home:)

Heintron
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:03:00 - [506]
 

Well.. Now I know how to kill a titan. Nanodreads obviously isn't the way. Strange how I learn something new about eve everyday. But a tactic that relies on the victim logging off without knowing about aggrotimer is almost gamebreaking imo.

Tobias Raddick
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:03:00 - [507]
 

Hang about then... game mechanics don't allow you to target items inside a POS bubble. Using a passive targeter to achieve such an aim allows you to avoid this restriction. Therefore, using a module in this fashion to bypass a game mechanic must be considered an exploit.
Here's hoping your petition is a success.

Dracolich
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:04:00 - [508]
 

I am not saying the game itself is going downhill, but the tactics being used to win by all sides makes it so. xx billion isk ship killed by a 70k- module. Well executed plan, poor sportsmanship.

Franga
Caldari
NQX Innovations
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:04:00 - [509]
 

Not that I condone BOD for their tactic, but ...

Also - we're forgetting how friggin' rich D2 is. You guys ever heard of TRUST? If not I shall explain:

It is half of the t2 and capital economy.

There ... I think that explains everything. I feel for your loss, D2. And I hope that BOD eats it. Also - I love you Tyraxx. Will you have my children?

Supay
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:06:00 - [510]
 

Originally by: Mirida
grats to bob ?
for getting a spy into d2 - possibly
for getting a whole fleet within minutes into a system - maybe
for killing a logged off titan - definitely not

Exploiting game mechanics because you dont have the balls or manpower to kill it in a full fleet engagement just lets bob stand down as not so strong as they pretend to be.


So all the backslapping and congratulating each other that went on amongst IAC/GOONS/D2/SOD and the rest when a Goon agent offlined a whole load of ISS POS and robbed the ISSN corp hangar was completely different to this, was it?

Next time, for all those Goons and D2 saying how lame BoB were, maybe consider what its like when it happens to you. I've seen dirty trick after dirty trick pulled throughout this war so far and noone in any of the alliances involved is innocent, so just stop crying like little girls and live with it, as you are as dirty as the rest of them.


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