Posted - 2007.02.17 00:53:00 - [661]

 

Originally by: vile56

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Originally by: Edde Bebbi

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Originally by: Edde Bebbi

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21

Originally by: Sorja

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BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?

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Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.

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Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.

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I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.

But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1

LOOOOOOL!

Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado

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Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1

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yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!

tell me the REAL TRUTH!

But dont forget bob allies.

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this is very much like counter strike, 12yr old smack and useing k for c

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And what do you have to contribute?

Posted - 2007.02.17 00:55:00 - [663]

 

Edited by: Man1ac on 17/02/2007 00:57:50

Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.

k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day.

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Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.

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You know if u take time to learn game mechanic u might realize that a Carrier, person A standing on point X in front of POS shield and being shot by person B and person C and persons X in front (OUTSIDE) POS shield is all fair and square. Then Person A moves inside of the shield. Person B and C and X lose lock regardless of passive targeters or anything they might have fitted on their ships. But Torpedoes, like, i heared was case with D2 carrier, WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARD TARGET EVEN IF TARGET IS INSIDE OF SHIELD AND EVEN IF PERSONS B AND C AND X LOST LOCK. Last round fired of torpedoes went into shield and hited carrier ie person A who in all his fear and dumbness and not knowing game mechanics panicked (Insert: OMFG HAXORZ THEY SHOOT IN POS XPLOITS IM GONNA DIE) and foolishly warped to a planet where he was LEGIT killed by BoB.

kthxby

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If you look at the vid, you see that carrier is not moving. Capital ships take long time to move and to stop,
so he might be standing there for a LONG time fairly away from the shield border.

I can speak only of my personal feelings regarding that. And those feelings are full of Disappointment.

Is it ok, if from now on I will take everything BoB's and Boblets say with a huge grain of salt?

Posted - 2007.02.17 01:16:00 - [665]

 

i can see why the mechanics work like this but it is still very lame. BOB appears to like to be seen as a good pvp organisation yet surely far more respect would be gained if they waited and killed one in combat rather than because a game mechanic regarding logoff.

Regarding the LV titan, i think that is different. Both the attacking force and the defending force had to deal with the lag didnt they?, so it was kinda even in a way, though i may be wrong.

Posted - 2007.02.17 01:21:00 - [667]

 

Edited by: HankMurphy on 17/02/2007 01:17:37

Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich

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Originally by: Rangar

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This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.

And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.

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Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.

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QFFT, i've never seen anything so PATHETIC as these last few days of whining in almost 3 years of eve. Its one thing to smack a bit, be a little arrogent/****y, but for gods sakes, if they would just listen to themselves before they posted...... christ, if its THAT BAD in your eye's guys, go play WoW!

The coalition, or bandwagon, or whatever really showing what they made of on the forums, thats for sure.

Posted - 2007.02.17 01:35:00 - [669]

 

In reality, if you've got a titan logged in and a substantial amount of alliance members engaged in combat, the titan ought to be aggressed because you are no doubt working closely with people who are engaged in combat. Simply being logged in with a titan during fleet ops could be conceived to be an act of agression. You don't log in with a titan to check prices in jita, after all. Logging in with one is a very deliberate act and people should know that if they do not do so carefully then they are likely to lose it.

If you use game mechanics to kill someone who was very likely to attack you if given the chance, I don't see the problem with that.

Posted - 2007.02.17 01:44:00 - [671]

 

Originally by: Jin Entres

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"All warfare is based on dodgy game mechanics."

"Attack him where he is logged off."

-Sun Tzu, Art Of EvE War

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I updated it for you :)

Posted - 2007.02.17 01:46:00 - [673]

 

I think this is the final time for CCP to decide what sort of gameplay they want.

Some nice pew pew or metagaming and stretching rules to their maximum and beyond.

What do we want?

Posted - 2007.02.17 01:51:00 - [675]

 

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Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.

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how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?

Posted - 2007.02.17 02:10:00 - [677]

 

Posted - 2007.02.17 02:15:00 - [679]

 

Originally by: Weatherman

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Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.

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how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?

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No one "attacked" him, a corp mate and gang mate hit him with friendly fire in order to abuse a game mechanic in order to allow BoB to kill a logged off titan, again. That's cheesy at best even though it might not technically be an "exploit". I'm quite sure that CCP didn't intended the ability to fire on corp mates as the method of killing a titan.

Having a spy that close to a titan was genious on BoBs part. Had they waited till a fleet was somewhere and popped a cyno to fly in BoB's fleet, that would have been ballsy and well done. Had the spy been called main cyno for the titan and snuck off to a different area then called it safe and had the titan jump into a BoB camp, that too would have been class.

But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.

Posted - 2007.02.17 02:28:00 - [681]

 

Mmmm i just say shame on guys that blame Bob now that we know how exactly this happened. And ultimate shame on those who blame CCP, guys you'b better stop playing rather than trolling like that.

This was a brilliant move BoB, very smart one !!

Happy to be on their side...

Posted - 2007.02.17 02:33:00 - [683]

 

Originally by: Sorja

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If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?

Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable.
Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.

So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.

Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement.
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?

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erm, if you turn off damage shown and if the bob spy used a micro smart bomb as it is now know, seriously, even if the titan pilot was online he would NEVER have noticed that on its hp status. Man you do know what is a titan hp??????

Posted - 2007.02.17 02:40:00 - [685]

 

the game mechanics that allow bob to kill a titan in that way are no more "dodgy" or "exploity" than the game mechanics that allow titans to log off safely.

you should be glad that they even allow titans do disappear in space when the pilot logs without agro timer. in my opinion, titan pilots should be forced to store their precious titan in a POS when they are offline so that they are voulnerable at all times. isnt that the whole point of disallowing them from docking at stations?

Posted - 2007.02.17 02:48:00 - [687]

 

Originally by: Vesspasiano

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Originally by: Kylania

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But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.

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100% agree

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Same, its grounds to wipe the alliance off the map and run the leaders form EVE.

Posted - 2007.02.17 03:14:00 - [689]

 

Edited by: DiuxDium on 17/02/2007 03:10:56

Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Originally by: Vesspasiano

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Originally by: Kylania

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But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.

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100% agree

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Same, its grounds to wipe the alliance off the map and run the leaders form EVE.

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You'd achieve quicker if you spent less time on the forums.