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Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:53:00 - [661]
 

Originally by: vile56
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?


Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.


Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.


I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.

But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1

LOOOOOOL!

Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado Razz


Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1


yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!

tell me the REAL TRUTH!

But dont forget bob allies.



this is very much like counter strike, 12yr old smack and useing k for c


And what do you have to contribute?

Boci
Minmatar
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:54:00 - [662]
 

Originally by: Hennry Fromer
Originally by: batloard
well d2 are saying the titan was sitting in a pos for around 3 hours and was not agressed, he jump bridged some ships to yz and shortly logged off, and bob proceeded to kill him in this state. All it wouldve took was someone to shoot one wreck, or even his own guys shooting him to get him agressed before he logged. A titan is a big target so there is a small chance someone shot at him somewhere.


IS the act of jumping a fleet somehow a hostile act - putting them into position to fight?



Did everyone somehow miss the post, from D2, saying that there was nothing "shady" used to cause the kill? Or the screenshot of the micro smartbomb hitting the titan in the first place?

Get over it. BoB thought ahead and had scouts/spies in probable escape locations ready for the titan to jump. It paid off, get used to it.

Man1ac
Caldari
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:55:00 - [663]
 

Edited by: Man1ac on 17/02/2007 00:57:50
Originally by: Dinamita Tona
Quote:
Quote:

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If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.

k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. Laughing


Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.


You know if u take time to learn game mechanic u might realize that a Carrier, person A standing on point X in front of POS shield and being shot by person B and person C and persons X in front (OUTSIDE) POS shield is all fair and square. Then Person A moves inside of the shield. Person B and C and X lose lock regardless of passive targeters or anything they might have fitted on their ships. But Torpedoes, like, i heared was case with D2 carrier, WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARD TARGET EVEN IF TARGET IS INSIDE OF SHIELD AND EVEN IF PERSONS B AND C AND X LOST LOCK. Last round fired of torpedoes went into shield and hited carrier ie person A who in all his fear and dumbness and not knowing game mechanics panicked (Insert: OMFG HAXORZ THEY SHOOT IN POS XPLOITS IM GONNA DIE) and foolishly warped to a planet where he was LEGIT killed by BoB.

kthxby


If you look at the vid, you see that carrier is not moving. Capital ships take long time to move and to stop,
so he might be standing there for a LONG time fairly away from the shield border.

I can speak only of my personal feelings regarding that. And those feelings are full of Disappointment. Confused

Is it ok, if from now on I will take everything BoB's and Boblets say with a huge grain of salt?

Rangar
Gallente
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:02:00 - [664]
 

This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.

And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.

Flying DogbearRatcat
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:16:00 - [665]
 

i can see why the mechanics work like this but it is still very lame. BOB appears to like to be seen as a good pvp organisation yet surely far more respect would be gained if they waited and killed one in combat rather than because a game mechanic regarding logoff.

Regarding the LV titan, i think that is different. Both the attacking force and the defending force had to deal with the lag didnt they?, so it was kinda even in a way, though i may be wrong.


Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
Vengeance of the Fallen
Syndicate.
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:17:00 - [666]
 

Originally by: Rangar
This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.

And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.



Rolling Eyes

Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:21:00 - [667]
 

Edited by: HankMurphy on 17/02/2007 01:17:37
Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Rangar
This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.

And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.



Rolling Eyes

Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.


QFFT, i've never seen anything so PATHETIC as these last few days of whining in almost 3 years of eve. Its one thing to smack a bit, be a little arrogent/****y, but for gods sakes, if they would just listen to themselves before they posted...... christ, if its THAT BAD in your eye's guys, go play WoW!

The coalition, or bandwagon, or whatever really showing what they made of on the forums, thats for sure.

Demoria
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:23:00 - [668]
 

i lub isszz

Weatherman
Gallente
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:35:00 - [669]
 

In reality, if you've got a titan logged in and a substantial amount of alliance members engaged in combat, the titan ought to be aggressed because you are no doubt working closely with people who are engaged in combat. Simply being logged in with a titan during fleet ops could be conceived to be an act of agression. You don't log in with a titan to check prices in jita, after all. Logging in with one is a very deliberate act and people should know that if they do not do so carefully then they are likely to lose it.

If you use game mechanics to kill someone who was very likely to attack you if given the chance, I don't see the problem with that.

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:40:00 - [670]
 


Fitz Regal
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:44:00 - [671]
 

Originally by: Jin Entres
"All warfare is based on dodgy game mechanics."

"Attack him where he is logged off."

-Sun Tzu, Art Of EvE War


I updated it for you :)

Logi3
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:45:00 - [672]
 

Edited by: Logi3 on 17/02/2007 01:44:15
So many nobodies or or wannbies posting in these war threads.... bugger off and stop talking crap...

Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit. But, CCP have not classed it as an exploit so its fair game. And although i think it was lame, fair do's for pulling it off. Its actions like this that can win a war, although this war is far from over.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:46:00 - [673]
 

I think this is the final time for CCP to decide what sort of gameplay they want.

Some nice pew pew or metagaming and stretching rules to their maximum and beyond.

What do we want?

Fitz Regal
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:50:00 - [674]
 

Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Originally by: Rangar
This was the 3rd (if you count the unfinished also) titan in the game lost due to cheat/exploit/bug. Seems to be the only way, how titans are killed in EVE.

And a GM congratulating BoB in local for killing a titan due to such a lame tactics shows, that CCP has not the slightest clue, that the game is going downhill very fast.



Rolling Eyes

Maybe its going downhill, because of all your conspiracy theories and whine whine whine.


Maybe, but I know two guys quitting the game right now because they have lost all faith in ccp and eve, and these are not guys directly involved in this conflict but are long standing players, with many accounts between them, one of whom even travelled to the fan fest last year, i.e. hardcore eve players and fans that have just lost all faith in the game.

You see this as a good thing?

People "whine" (though everyone who posts the opposite view to someone else is seen by that person as a whiner) because they are frustrated, are not getting answers, almost every major loss seems to be more about lag and sploiting game mechanics than it does about playing the game straight.

Weatherman
Gallente
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:51:00 - [675]
 

Quote:
Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.


how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?

Fitz Regal
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:53:00 - [676]
 

Originally by: Weatherman
Quote:
Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.


how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?


If they dont have a (genuine) aggression timer then yes ofc they should. its a game ffs - people have lives beyond it.

Shamus Kain
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:10:00 - [677]
 

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A Ma
Caldari
Quam Singulari Industry
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:14:00 - [678]
 

D2's Titan, now IAC's Mothership, when will this carnage end ????

Carnage - Nyx

Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:15:00 - [679]
 

Originally by: Weatherman
Quote:
Anyway.. Trouble is what BoB did i think should be deemed exploit.


how is it an exploit to attack someone before they log off? Should corps be able to keep titans always at the ready and just log them off whenever the situation looks bad?


No one "attacked" him, a corp mate and gang mate hit him with friendly fire in order to abuse a game mechanic in order to allow BoB to kill a logged off titan, again. That's cheesy at best even though it might not technically be an "exploit". I'm quite sure that CCP didn't intended the ability to fire on corp mates as the method of killing a titan.

Having a spy that close to a titan was genious on BoBs part. Had they waited till a fleet was somewhere and popped a cyno to fly in BoB's fleet, that would have been ballsy and well done. Had the spy been called main cyno for the titan and snuck off to a different area then called it safe and had the titan jump into a BoB camp, that too would have been class.

But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.

Kay Han
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:25:00 - [680]
 

Edited by: Kay Han on 17/02/2007 02:22:21
from what i heared.

Lucentis (DigitalCommunist) smartbombed the titan or shot at him, when WOTAN was about to log off to get an aggrotimer.

Dunno if WOTAN already closed the game or not.

if this kill is legit or not, its not my decision.


Seconds after the titan was killed, a ccp employee logged into yz- and posted bull**** in local.
Tinfoil any1?


but if CCP want to see EvE going this way, with all this Crap happening, im sure they can rename the game to BoB online.



*all opinions stated in the post above are my own and do NOT represent my alliance or Corp*

Han Horensii
Minmatar
Therapy.
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:28:00 - [681]
 

Mmmm i just say shame on guys that blame Bob now that we know how exactly this happened. And ultimate shame on those who blame CCP, guys you'b better stop playing rather than trolling like that.

This was a brilliant move BoB, very smart one !!

Happy to be on their side...


DiuxDium
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:30:00 - [682]
 

Originally by: Kay Han
Edited by: Kay Han on 17/02/2007 02:22:21
from what i heared.

Lucentis (DigitalCommunist) smartbombed the titan or shot at him, when WOTAN was about to log off to get an aggrotimer.

Dunno if WOTAN already closed the game or not.

if this kill is legit or not, its not my decision.


Seconds after the titan was killed, a ccp employee logged into yz- and posted bull**** in local.
Tinfoil any1?


but if CCP want to see EvE going this way, with all this Crap happening, im sure they can rename the game to BoB online.



*all opinions stated in the post above are my own and do NOT represent my alliance or Corp*


you should wipe the tears out of your eyes if you're going to have a sig like that.


Han Horensii
Minmatar
Therapy.
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:33:00 - [683]
 

Originally by: Sorja
If the the screenshot is legit, why would the cov ops pilot fire his smartbomb if he wasn't 100% sure Wotank was not in front of his keyboard anymore?

Whether it was genuine infiltration or a bought character, having a 'spy' able to be in the same gang as the flagship of D2 was HIGHLY valuable.
Firing his smartbomb and being noticed would have resulted in his immediate removal from his corp/alliance and BoB would have lost a master piece.

So I'm convinced he only fired his smartie when he was sure the Titan was not under pilot control anymore.

Whatever, this is clearly abusing game mechanics and should result in the ship replacement.
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?



erm, if you turn off damage shown and if the bob spy used a micro smart bomb as it is now know, seriously, even if the titan pilot was online he would NEVER have noticed that on its hp status. Man you do know what is a titan hp??????

Kay Han
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:34:00 - [684]
 

Edited by: Kay Han on 17/02/2007 02:30:52
Originally by: DiuxDium


you should wipe the tears out of your eyes if you're going to have a sig like that.




i dont cry.

after all a titan is only a ship.
and ships can be replaced POINT.


Its the circumstances.
Its simply fact that bob acnt kill a titan in a fair fight.

Sure it was a briliant move. perfectly planned.
and we konw that it worked out Perfect.


But maybe someday bob grow some balls and they will make a real titan kill.

Fenderson
Minmatar
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:40:00 - [685]
 

the game mechanics that allow bob to kill a titan in that way are no more "dodgy" or "exploity" than the game mechanics that allow titans to log off safely.

you should be glad that they even allow titans do disappear in space when the pilot logs without agro timer. in my opinion, titan pilots should be forced to store their precious titan in a POS when they are offline so that they are voulnerable at all times. isnt that the whole point of disallowing them from docking at stations?

Vesspasiano
Gallente
Big Guns Inc.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:46:00 - [686]
 

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Haniblecter Teg
Gallente
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:48:00 - [687]
 

Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania


But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.


100% agree





Same, its grounds to wipe the alliance off the map and run the leaders form EVE.

NightmareX
Caldari
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.02.17 03:02:00 - [688]
 

Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania


But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.


100% agree




200% agree on that

DiuxDium
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.02.17 03:14:00 - [689]
 

Edited by: DiuxDium on 17/02/2007 03:10:56
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Vesspasiano
Originally by: Kylania


But exploiting friendly fire to get an aggro timer so they could risk free kill a logged off titan? That's pure lame on BoB's part. While it might be a valid kill, it was way low class of BoB to resort to that kind of thing to kill another titan.


100% agree







Same, its grounds to wipe the alliance off the map and run the leaders form EVE.


You'd achieve quicker if you spent less time on the forums.

Very Happy

Shuriken Ertai
Gallente
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
Posted - 2007.02.17 03:17:00 - [690]
 

The pvp timer was meant to stop people from logging in combat, not to force a pilot to stay in space forever.


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