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Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:24:00 - [631]
 

Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth
If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.

You may be right, I'm not sure about that.
On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics.
They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that Rolling Eyes

Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy.
Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.

If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.

k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. Laughing

Nvali
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:25:00 - [632]
 

Edited by: Nvali on 16/02/2007 23:21:52
Originally by: bulabuba
When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already.


This is actually true. Your aggro timer is set at the time you hit ctrl-q. You will note from the screenshot, from the green dot, that the titan was still logged in when it was aggroed. If you had aggro before you hit ctrl-q, you'll be on the 15 minute timer. Otherwise, 1 minute timer. The timer doesn't change after you log, even if somebody shoots at you during the minute. If you tackle a ship after it logs to keep it from doing the ewarp, it will just sit in front of you for a minute and then disappear.

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:26:00 - [633]
 

Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:21:35
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth
If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.

You may be right, I'm not sure about that.
On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics.
They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that Rolling Eyes

Yes you must be a genius to use a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ...
Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.
If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.

k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. Laughing


lol 2 posts beneath, hi my brother :)

Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:28:00 - [634]
 

Our silence makes this suspicious?

Months ago our glibness made things suspicious as well.

I hear the Titan's pilot's relatives were paid by a BoB spy to fake an important event to call him away from EVE in order to make this happen.

If enough people repeat this, then it must be true.

Am I playing this tinfoilhattery right?

Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:29:00 - [635]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

lol 2 posts beneath, hi my brother :)

Hi brother. Sorry for smacking btw. I try to resist, but it's so hard. Laughing

Apollo Kreed
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:32:00 - [636]
 

So what's that make now, two (unpiloted) Titan kills for Bob?

Grats guys.

Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:37:00 - [637]
 

Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth
If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.

You may be right, I'm not sure about that.
On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics.
They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that Rolling Eyes

Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy.
Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.

If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.

k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. Laughing


Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.

Edde Bebbi
Amarr
The Griffin
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:38:00 - [638]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?


Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.


Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.

Audri Fisher
Caldari
Burning Bush Enterprises
Posted - 2007.02.16 23:47:00 - [639]
 

Nothing BoB has ever done, or will ever do will be done without suspicion. Suspicion that is in many ways justified.

Grenadyr
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:12:00 - [640]
 

Edited by: Grenadyr on 17/02/2007 00:11:29
Edited by: Grenadyr on 17/02/2007 00:10:57
Very HappyTwisted EvilVery Happy
Great Job guys! Wish Id been there!!!

Aphotic Raven
Gallente
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:14:00 - [641]
 

Originally by: Tunajuice
This definitely puts a damper on the rabble rabble coalition...


Does it now. I'll still be in your spaces, shootin your nooblets... Laughing

vile56
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:16:00 - [642]
 

this sounds alot like counter strike to me, with all the omghax crys.


seems they can hax better than d2 so they win regardlessRolling Eyes

Malthros Zenobia
Caldari
The Blacksmith Shop
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:18:00 - [643]
 

Hmm, must bug people for high-res fraps.Shocked

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:22:00 - [644]
 

Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?


Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.


Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.


I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.

But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1

LOOOOOOL!

Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado Razz

Edde Bebbi
Amarr
The Griffin
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:24:00 - [645]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?


Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.


Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.


I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.

But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1

LOOOOOOL!

Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado Razz


Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1

Dinamita Tona
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:25:00 - [646]
 

Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 23:23:30
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Lorth
If the pilot was logged out, the smartbomb wouldn't have restarted anouther aggro timer.

You may be right, I'm not sure about that.
On the other hand, I'm sure that BoB always has the latest in highly specialized metagaming tactics.
They must be geniuses to find all that by themselves, props for that Rolling Eyes

Yes you must be a genius to think about using a smartbomb or ECM burst to aggress someone, if you don't want to or can't target him ... also to do it with a spy.
Btw if everything happened out of the pos-shield, the kill seems ligit.

If you want fair play, try to spread the message in your unholy coalition like the fofo-guys or the people, who try to kill BoB, LV and everyone else by causing our ears and brains to bleed with their never ending pathetic accusations, dev-smack and dev-whineage.

k, only speaking for myself, have a nice day. Laughing


Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.


You know if u take time to learn game mechanic u might realize that a Carrier, person A standing on point X in front of POS shield and being shot by person B and person C and persons X in front (OUTSIDE) POS shield is all fair and square. Then Person A moves inside of the shield. Person B and C and X lose lock regardless of passive targeters or anything they might have fitted on their ships. But Torpedoes, like, i heared was case with D2 carrier, WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARD TARGET EVEN IF TARGET IS INSIDE OF SHIELD AND EVEN IF PERSONS B AND C AND X LOST LOCK. Last round fired of torpedoes went into shield and hited carrier ie person A who in all his fear and dumbness and not knowing game mechanics panicked (Insert: OMFG HAXORZ THEY SHOOT IN POS XPLOITS IM GONNA DIE) and foolishly warped to a planet where he was LEGIT killed by BoB.

kthxby

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:25:00 - [647]
 

Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Accusations huh? Well the titan kill was defantly legit, but what is this WTF! I would like to hear from the d2 thanatos pilot who was being shot while he was in the pos shields.

If you target someone whose outside of the shield the lock wont break when he enters it. Other then that theres not supposed to be a way to lock someone inside a shield.

Cmd Woodlouse
Minmatar
moon7empler
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:26:00 - [648]
 

Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?


Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.


Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.


I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.

But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1

LOOOOOOL!

Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado Razz


Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1


yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!

tell me the REAL TRUTH!

But dont forget bob allies.

Charly Quickfire
Caldari
Ceptacemia
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 - [649]
 

Interesting times.

Chuck Dawg
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:27:00 - [650]
 

I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:28:00 - [651]
 

Originally by: Chuck Dawg
I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.


If they dont i am takeing you up on that.

Edde Bebbi
Amarr
The Griffin
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:29:00 - [652]
 

Originally by: bulabuba
Originally by: Aries Acheron
Well. This seems to be the case.

This screenshot I got from another thread shows how it was done.

http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg

Apparently, a member of the Titan's own gang in a covert ops waited for the Titan to go outside of the shield, then smartbombed it with a micro, giving it aggro as it logged. The Titan zoomed off, and BoB probed.

There's no passive targetter there, and given that the titan was POSed up, wreck aggro doesn't look like it's involved. A painful blow and one reason why I hate spies in any sense, but it seems 'legit' as far as claims of hacking or bugs go. If it's legit morally.. well. It's effectively the same thing as what happened to Cyvok's it seems...


That's an exploit. In other words, the game is not intended to work that way, and taking advantage of the fact that it does, rather than reporting the error, is exploiting.

When you close the window, you're done. You should not be aggro-able at that instant if you aren't already. You are out of the game. The fact that your ship warps off is only there as a measure to take you out of harm's way in case of a crash. The aggro timer is only there to ensure that you can't save yourself by closing the window ONCE YOU ALREADY HAVE AGGRO. If that's how it was done, the man deserves his ship back, and CCP needs to fix the bug after admonishing some folks that exploiting bugs rather than reporting them is a no-no.


He was aggrod before logging off.

Eve IS intended to work this way.

Edde Bebbi
Amarr
The Griffin
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:29:00 - [653]
 

Originally by: Chuck Dawg
I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.


Ill take it. There was no exploit and D2 arnt claiming there was.

vile56
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:30:00 - [654]
 

Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 16/02/2007 23:21:21
Originally by: Sorja
BoB don't need underhanded tactics to win, do they?


Thats the quote of the game.

Bob DO NOT need these tactics as they were most of the time better than any other alliance in this game.

I dont know why they need it.

And thats why i was questioning the real BoB progress in this game and what they really achieved.

By real means nothing.

But they could have so much w/o any of the above.


Because you have organised a 30:1 alliance against them and killing your figurehead in the first weak of the war is a massive win however you try and spin it.


If this had been Goon killing LVs titan or D2 killing BoBs, Every one of you flamers would be calling it awesome tactics and skill and shouting at CCP not to reimburse. Honestly, try and claim otherwise.

Funny how these things work.


I am also talking of the past, where G eg. was HEAVILY outnumbered by everyone.

But i see from ur post that ur a nublet. 30 to 1

LOOOOOOL!

Its carneval here, thanks for the gift, desperado Razz


Do you really want me to add up the players in all the alliances you are Napped with? It wont be 30:1 but itll be a hell of a lot more than 5:1


yes plz, mr. mathematics and i want to be kewl on teh forums!

tell me the REAL TRUTH!

But dont forget bob allies.



this is very much like counter strike, 12yr old smack and useing k for c

Hennry Fromer
Gallente
The Radiated Space Gerbils
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:31:00 - [655]
 

Originally by: batloard
well d2 are saying the titan was sitting in a pos for around 3 hours and was not agressed, he jump bridged some ships to yz and shortly logged off, and bob proceeded to kill him in this state. All it wouldve took was someone to shoot one wreck, or even his own guys shooting him to get him agressed before he logged. A titan is a big target so there is a small chance someone shot at him somewhere.


IS the act of jumping a fleet somehow a hostile act - putting them into position to fight?

DiuxDium
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:32:00 - [656]
 

Originally by: Chuck Dawg
I'll put down 1bil isk that D2 get it back due to exploit.


Quoting this to remind my self. The bet is on.

Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:33:00 - [657]
 

Edited by: Sionn Klorgh on 17/02/2007 00:29:37
Was there not a GM in local that congratulated BOB on the kill? Perhaps he can fill everyone in on the details.






Edde Bebbi
Amarr
The Griffin
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:34:00 - [658]
 

Originally by: Sionn Klorgh
Edited by: Sionn Klorgh on 17/02/2007 00:29:37
Was there not a GM in local that congratulated BOB on the kill? Perhaps he can fill everyone in on the details.




I love how people just make stuff up (well done to the TCF guy for this one) and then everyone believes it.

OMG HAX. We have seen the screenshots that show EXACTLY how the titan was killed. How can there be any more debate?

ElCoCo
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:37:00 - [659]
 

*snip* - please don't start the trolling. -Ivan K

mccoolexe
Minmatar
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:42:00 - [660]
 

*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Ivan K ([email protected])



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