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c0rn1
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 - [571]
 

It's funny that whenever bob kills a big e-peen people cry out load for cheater! exploit! hax! When a coalition jumps with 1000 into a system knowing they will crash the node, it's a valid tactic.

Darken Two
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 - [572]
 

Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei

All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from. Rolling Eyes


If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?


Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.

Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.

Svabbzor
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:08:00 - [573]
 

GJ bob :P

Allways funny to see grown up people cry about a internet space game ^^

/waiting for molle to post

merketbeehatch
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 - [574]
 

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Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 - [575]
 

Originally by: Saladin
I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves.


If a dev were to login and bookmark the wreck, and then fly away and not say anything about what he was doing, it would be ammo for all those who are with D2. Like the GM running around and scanning all of GS's Towers or whatever right before BoB declared war.

If that GM would have said what he was doing, instead of doing it secretly maybe there wouldn't have been such a commotion over it.

IMHO CCP is F'd if they do, F'd if they dont ;(

Sathrai
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 - [576]
 

Originally by: merketbeehatch
2. shoot npc - now ok this is posibel and he is german but come on Do u really think he would go like and doomsday a npc spawn??

i find all these exploit yelling ppl funny.

Gate rats?

Morgain dVher
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:10:00 - [577]
 

Edited by: Morgain dVher on 16/02/2007 21:08:39


Ewa Quillam
Caldari
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:10:00 - [578]
 

If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.

If "agression" logs are kept and it was the case as I wrote above, it won't take long to clarify the situation (if the logs are clear, it was an exploit). If those logs aren't kept and especially for such important ships, then, they should be concieved and implemented and nonetheless the ship should be given back when destroyed in doubtful circumstances.

The wreck exploit also stands, but logs should confirm it or not (if those logs exist for now).

Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:11:00 - [579]
 

Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei

All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from. Rolling Eyes


If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?


Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.

Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.


I dont think you really read what he wrote...

If the BoB kill is legit, and they used a 100% valid tactic, why would CCP tell everyone how BoB did it... Its thier tactic and just because you pay to play play eve doesn't mean you are paying for someone else to think of tactics for you...

merketbeehatch
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:12:00 - [580]
 

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DinoC
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:12:00 - [581]
 

Originally by: Relyen
I think it's best to wait for an official post from BoB or D2 detailing the situation before jumping to conclusions based off posts made from people not in either of the alliances and acting off heresay.

Either way, Congratz BoB, awesome kill.


Awesome kill??? Now come on.. I fail to see whats so awesome in killing a defendless ship with the pilot logged off!

Halloitsme
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:13:00 - [582]
 

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Darken Two
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:17:00 - [583]
 

Edited by: Darken Two on 16/02/2007 21:14:30
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Kurtz Weber
Originally by: Shirei

All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from. Rolling Eyes


If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?


Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.

Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.


I dont think you really read what he wrote...

If the BoB kill is legit, and they used a 100% valid tactic, why would CCP tell everyone how BoB did it... Its thier tactic and just because you pay to play play eve doesn't mean you are paying for someone else to think of tactics for you...


Because, considering the hoopla surrounding the whole dev/cheating thing, they should have known better than to park a dev there and then have him congratulate the winning side.

The titan dying under suspicious circumstances didn't help either. This is not going to turn out well for CCP.

Ps: Shooting a parked ship with no pilot in it, has not and probably never never be classed as a "Special uber tactic"

THEDON1
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:18:00 - [584]
 

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Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 - [585]
 

Originally by: Darken Two

The titan dying under suspicious circumstances didn't help either. This is not going to turn out well for CCP.


By this I HOPE TO GOD you mean all the whiners and forum *****s and people that cant use a brain, all the people he keep saying stuff like "this wont turn out well for CCP" and "im quiting over this" actually finally quit. Even better I hope they never play a single MMO every again, because its obvious they cant handle it.

Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 - [586]
 

Originally by: Ewa Quillam
If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.
I don't see how that would work. For the timer to stick you need to be hit before you log off, and if you're in a POS you can't be targeted or hit.

Elohllird
Gallente
Funky Chill Collective
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 - [587]
 

I have cheese if anyone wants it Wink

Kurtz Weber
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:19:00 - [588]
 

Originally by: Darken Two

Because they are paying customers and if BoB can get free BPOs, the least they can ask for is an answer.

Your speech implies that you think everyone playing this game are somehow indebted to CCP. In fact, its the other way round. We are the customers and it is their job to keep us happy. Thats what they take money for. And considering they have already betrayed our trust with their shady behavior with regard to BoB, the burden of proof lies with them, when it comes to allegation regarding BoB and how they seem to be freakishly lucky with certain things.


Still, just because there was an incident in the past, for which CCP claims it has been dealt with and that things like that will not happen in the future, just because of that every BoB's plan and tactic sgould be put out to public view? Verifycation of wheter the kill is legit or not will be if they do or don't reimburse the titan, and thats everything everyone else in eve needs to know. Everyone who thinks that Dev's are helping BoB in stuff like this is out of his mind...

Tainos
Amarr
Endless Destruction
Chaos Incarnate.
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:21:00 - [589]
 

Originally by: Ewa Quillam
If it's true that the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours and then it logged off while agressed it could mean a spy fired on him and fired on him right before he disconnected. This was stated before in the thread.



It was also stated before in the thread that you can't shoot people inside a POS. Duh.

OKtha Jarin
Gallente
Liga Freier Terraner
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [590]
 

as it looks atm to me another titan goes down without an epic battle.... very sad thing IMO. Thats not the way Capitals should blow up Sad espacially not Titans

Major Tarsis
Caldari
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [591]
 

Originally by: Saladin
I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves.


Sal in MC would you believe it. Hi Mate!!!!

GJ BoB will wait for official post.


Neako
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [592]
 

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HellSpeed
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:22:00 - [593]
 

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8837/d2erebusdl4.jpg

Looks better as a wreck though ;)

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:23:00 - [594]
 

So far as I know the doomsday was fired only at a planet, or a moon. Niether of which would have resulted in a NPC can being generated to be exploited.

As well as far as I can tell, he didn't get one single kill with the doomsday (since the 13th), unless it wasn't posted at all, meaning there was no can to exploit.

Am I wrong in thinking that no can/wreck was generated by the pilot in question on today at all, since I can't find any evidence to say that there was even a can in space to have exploited. And I believe the only attempt at firing the doomsday was unsuccessfull.

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:27:00 - [595]
 

Originally by: Ewa Quillam
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 16/02/2007 19:25:02
Originally by: Avernus

Look closer, he says 'congrats to all involved'. That includes D2, the titan pilot, and everyone in system. Titan deaths are landmark events; winner or loser, you've just been marked down in Eve history for being there.



There was no D2 involved. The Titan logged off from POS after 3 hours. He was then probed and Shrike jumpbridged a fleet on it.


Wait a sec... you mean to tell me that the Titan logged off from a POS where D2 had no forces, and it had hostiles in local?
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So you didn't jump out the Titan to a clear system, warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression. Why is anyone surprised that this titan got lost? Truth be told, you almost lost it last week but never heard about it. Your titan logged in a system that had Fixians in it while they were up in Fountain. Were it not for a lack of coverts at the time, we'd have it probed out ourselves.

Honestly, the way you treated your titan and protected it, the loss is of little surprise. Condolences for the loss, but maybe turn the eye inward to see why it could have happened.


So, you are justifying the exploit?????? lol

Don't be silly. I stated that not taking every possible precaution to protect a Titan is idiotic; I still don't know the full story on what happened, nor does anyone else here unless I missed the battle report coming from D2 and BoB.

JP Moregain
Gallente
EVE Reserve Bank
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 - [596]
 

After 19 pages on haxpliot accusations I think it is clear that this community has moved well beyond the realm of what the 'Tinfoil' concept can handle.

I believed we have now graduated to the realm of theGRASSY KNOLL!

Best Regards,

JP

Icomeinpeace
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:34:00 - [597]
 

Tinfoil hats are out in full force for this thread lol

The titan was aggroed fair and square from what I understand so cry me a river.Unreal how much drivel is in this thread and I only read a couple pages.

Majin82
Caldari
The 5th Freedom
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:41:00 - [598]
 

1 ship doesnt make the difference between victory and defeat. Even if it is a Titan.

Good Kill Bob

Now go get them back for this D2 and co.

ElweSingollo
Gallente
The Higher Standard
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:42:00 - [599]
 

Edited by: ElweSingollo on 16/02/2007 21:39:33
Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Victor Vision
Edited by: Victor Vision on 16/02/2007 18:12:49
So the score is 1:1 if this is true.

LV fetus titan dead.

D2 titan dead.

Wars cause casualties. This is known.


Isn't it interesting that the only way Spamgoons can kill a titan is if its unpiloted in a state of production, yep bob has no trouble with "Dead in space unpiloted" ones?

I think so.... Wink



fixed going on the comments so far.

VinceNoir
Amarr
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:43:00 - [600]
 

Hip Hip Huzzah


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