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Zanarkand
Gallente
Enterprise Estonia
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [541]
 

Seriously, if I had a IWIN button of eve in my hands and I needed to logoff, I would make it 100% (times 10) sure that the titan actually disappeared!!!

Making an ALLIANCE wide 100+ man op of making sure that the titan really has actually disappeared, even cyno it into a random system and making it 100% sure with... How did D2 miss it themselves?

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: Grainsalt

I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.


Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.

Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.

I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.

Dinamita Tona
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [543]
 

from what i understand from people that were there, they probed, found, whatever i don't know that part, titan who was online and operational, nosed / neutralized its cap to point where it cant dd, or jump out with capital ships already fitted for that just in case, bubbled it with lots of dictors, and started killing it. When he went to armor he got scared and tried to log off, then 1 minute later he logged back on, tried to get out, didn't made it, got blown in 5 minutes, and got podded.

So there wasn't agro timer, crushing to desktop or whatever. From what i was told it was lag free fight with titan pilot logged on for most part of it.

Good Job BoB, keep it up. Damn sry i missed it all. damn work and ****.

And to all of you screaming hax and exploits you have no idea how hilarious you sound. But then i guess its same in any game. When someone kicks your ass he cheats.


Dupre Indelian
Gallente
Jades Falcon Guards
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 - [544]
 

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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:42:00 - [545]
 

Above Poster is me, just choose an Alt by accident.

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:43:00 - [546]
 

Originally by: Empyre
if the titan was sitting in a POS for so many hours, how did he generate wrecks to be shot at?

Existing wrecks can be 'refreshed' (read: despawn timer reset) by shooting them. Shoot them with a bad enough gun (newbie civilian gun, for example) and wrecks can be kept up for hours...even days.

Titans and motherships are now utterly worthless in EVE - kill anything with one and your enemies can reset your aggro timer for as long as they want, effectively.

Plutoinum
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 - [547]
 

Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/02/2007 20:45:54
Originally by: Ajaku

No, a passive targeter used on the titan, and I don't know for sure, but I think they work while cloaked and POS shields don't stop it.

Passive targetters don't cause aggression. That would be new. Otherwise you would get killed by concord for using them in high sec. And you can't fire weapons while cloaked, so how do you you aggress someone cloaked then ?

edit: The game should just display the aggression timer.

Jayden13
Minmatar
Heretic Command
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 - [548]
 

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Shamis Orzoz
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:44:00 - [549]
 

Originally by: Darth Sith
Incorrect .. one of the patches changed the non-aggro logoff to 30 seconds .. have one of your buddies logoff and see how long they sit in space before they disappear if you don't believe me :)



I think you're wrong, but if you're correct then that only makes the titan kill look less legitimate.


Grainsalt
Caldari
Lorentzian Traversable Corporation
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:46:00 - [550]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Grainsalt

I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.


Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.

Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.

I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.


Sorry, should have probably made myself more clear. I don't think they did wrecks necessarily, but unless there has been some other way of "Agressing" someone without them being aware of it it still comes across as a way of "bending" mechanics. However, as I have never flown a titan I probably don't know. Very Happy

However, I really hope D2 get the titan back so it can be killed properly, as I am sure D2 (AND BOB) would want. Another Cyvok kill makes me feal sad.

largoo
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:49:00 - [551]
 

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Neako
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:49:00 - [552]
 

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Pika Chu
Caldari
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 - [553]
 

Originally by: largoo
which explication about that ?

video sheat, bob


How many times you gonna post that, considering as irrelevant as it is to this discussion?

Kraca
Gallente
AoD Holdings
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 - [554]
 

Originally by: Darth Sith
This also begs the question;

Originally by: Darth Sith
That begs the other questions ..


Normally I'd let this go, but dude, twice in one post? It doesn't mean what you think it means.

If you are in a formal debate with someone about a factual issue, and they put forth an argument that depends on the factual issue under discussion, please do use this phrase. I'll smile.

If, however, you are looking for a clever way to say "it makes me wonder" or "we should be asking about", stay away.

We are always fighting an uphill battle to have our opinions considered and accepted by other people; why should you give them such easy reasons to discard you and your words as ignorant?

With that out of the way, I think that CCP should probably have a big meeting and reconsider letting employees play. If the forums are to be believed, the appearance of misconduct can be worse than actual misconduct, and the potential for misconduct is (amazingly) even worse than that.

I'm estimating about 750 posts regarding the defunct D2 titan so far, and we still know nothing. As far as I can tell, no one who was involved in the incident, or even in the system when it happened has accused anyone of wrongdoing, and yet the mob has decided that BoB used the wreck exploit AND that a developer (owned by BoB, naturally) did "something" wrong.

Is anyone at all interested in finding out what really happened before throwing wild accusations around?

Sathrai
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 - [555]
 

Originally by: Neako
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: artemis doom
WOKATANK got the titan back?


of course he will get it back as bob apparently used a wrecksploit to aggro him after he just had logged off.

the lame people just got even more lame and once again they have been found cheating and exploiting.



D2 claims the titan sat in a pos for 3 hours doing nothing until it went into another system. Wrecks only last for a MAXIMUM of 2 hours. So how exactly would they do a wreck sploit?

As has been said repeatedly in this thread, it is apparently possible to keep wrecks alive...indefinitely, in theory.

Troubadour
Gallente
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:51:00 - [556]
 

Originally by: Gregarius
IMHO:
The player community needs a clear statement from CCP stating that it was a clear and fair fight and nothing fishy has happend. By supplying data and log of all events and parties involved and a clear indication of the used game-mechanics that made this happen would clear all the smoke and fog around this event.



Why? You'll just say CCP is lying and and they are still conspiring with BoB to rule eve. It's not CCP's job to convince you of every kill. If it's something that can be reimbursed, it will be. But it seems like a simple case of someone forgetting a simple rule, wait 15 minutes before you log after being aggroed, or you will be in space still. Whoops. Doesn't matter if it's a Megathron or Erebus, THE SAME RULE APPLIES.

quit whining.

Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:54:00 - [557]
 

Originally by: Troubadour

Why? You'll just say CCP is lying and and they are still conspiring with BoB to rule eve. It's not CCP's job to convince you of every kill. If it's something that can be reimbursed, it will be. But it seems like a simple case of someone forgetting a simple rule, wait 15 minutes before you log after being aggroed, or you will be in space still. Whoops. Doesn't matter if it's a Megathron or Erebus, THE SAME RULE APPLIES.

quit whining.

All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from. Rolling Eyes

Fornacis
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:55:00 - [558]
 

How did it happen? The ol' aggro wrecks and probe ship exploit?

DiuxDium
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:56:00 - [559]
 

To summarize this thread.

OMG BOB HAXSPLOTS

In the words of the eternal mother.

Cry more Noobs.

Lorth
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:58:00 - [560]
 

Originally by: Grainsalt
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Grainsalt

I think Shrike saying DigitalCommunist's Plan worked kinda blows it out of the water.


Not really. Thats actually pretty silly logic when you think about it, unless of course you happen to be privy to exactly what that plan was.

Your simply assuming that the plan was to shoot a wreck and keep the pilot aggro'd. Thats really it nothing more then an assumption, for all we know the plan was to pay a D2 member the shoot/smartbomb the titan when he was close enough.

I think we all need to stop foaming at the mouth here when ever BOB does something. I'll be the first to admit that I havn't the slightest clue as to what happened, other then a titan died today. Niether does anyone else posting in this thread as a matter of fact.


Sorry, should have probably made myself more clear. I don't think they did wrecks necessarily, but unless there has been some other way of "Agressing" someone without them being aware of it it still comes across as a way of "bending" mechanics. However, as I have never flown a titan I probably don't know. Very Happy

However, I really hope D2 get the titan back so it can be killed properly, as I am sure D2 (AND BOB) would want. Another Cyvok kill makes me feal sad.


Now I have always heard, though it might be incorrect, the wrecks exploit only works if its an NPC wreck. Which means that the titan pilot would have had to have killed an NPC.
However, to my knowledge, the doomsday was fired around a POS, which of course don't have NPC's, and as such can not create an NPC wreck to be exploited.

Now I could be wrong about that, fact of the matter is I don't know, and niether do any of the posters in this thread, they are only speculating, same as me. There's also a large numbers of ways in which the titan could have been aggro'd with out hax'rsploits. Some D2 muppet with a smartbomb, for example, and unless your looking at your game loggs uber closely, your not going to notice such a small hit.

Heck it could have been simply a buggy aggro timer. If this is the case I can't blame BOB for warping in and killing it, since anyone of us would have done the same not knowing why it was still in space, only that it was there.

Or of course, some muppet could have been target painting a can. Fact is we don't know, no one really does, and all the stuff that has been posted and the accusations thrown around are nothing more then pure speculation at this point in time.

I personally havn't the slightest clue as to what happened. And am sitting on the fence untill I do, not supporting either side, something maybe we should all do untill we have more info.

Nymos
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 - [561]
 

Originally by: Mistress Suffering
I'd like some details from thos who actually know the facts, but the story that seems to be trickling forth sounds like:

1. Titan sat in POS for a long time to deaggro.
2. BoB used a (hello, pay attention here) known bug to keep it aggro'd.
3. Titan pilot eventually leaves for RL.
4. Empty Titan emergency warps out of the POS but sits in space for 15 mins thanks to buggy aggro timer.
5. BoB, waiting for this, hops in and blows it up.

So they're exploiting a known bug and the GM congratulates them for it rather than spanking them and getting the bug fixed? Why is that exactly?


QFT.

shooting cans to keep agro up is surely abusing a bug. i'm not sure if it is officially a bug, but it can't be intended either. petition it and get ccp to declare it a bug, then it probably qualifies for reimbursement. what, titans don't qualify for this, someone might say? why not? if it's a bug it's not your fault you died. heck, you get ships reimbursed just because you say "omg my client crashed".

i'm not a master tinfoil hatter and i couldn't care less what the "superpowers" in eve are doing because i do my own thing, but if this is the truth what mistress suffering said then wtf has eve become? a competition of who got the better understanding of bugs and bad game mechanics? very questionable even though a kill is a kill is a kill, but ccp should still look into this.

Kurtz Weber
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 - [562]
 

Originally by: Shirei

All CCP would need to do is say where the aggro came from. Rolling Eyes


If it's a tactic within game mechanics which was used, why would CCP interfere and give info to you bunch?

Phelan Lore
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 - [563]
 

There's something fishy going on with agro timers. We had several pilots unable to log out and dissapear from space in JV1V about a week ago. A GM even confirmed that one of our pilots stayed in space for longer than 2 minutes with no agro timer.

Relyen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:59:00 - [564]
 

I think it's best to wait for an official post from BoB or D2 detailing the situation before jumping to conclusions based off posts made from people not in either of the alliances and acting off heresay.

Either way, Congratz BoB, awesome kill.

ExpNinja
Caldari
Capitalism Amuck
The Second Genesis
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:02:00 - [565]
 

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JoDirt
Minmatar
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 - [566]
 

Fishy

Grats CCP

dabster
Minmatar
Di Hart's Solar Systems Corporation
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 - [567]
 

Originally by: ExpNinja
wonder if this titan is brought back, will cyvok's?

cyvok commanded the biggest alliance in eve and secretly built the titan.. i would think he knew about the aggro timer.


He knew, his loss was because he was unable to log back in.

Takita Yukida
Minmatar
Quo Vadis Domine
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 - [568]
 

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Saladin
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:06:00 - [569]
 

I just don't get why the CCP employee did not just log in and discreetly bm the wreck. Why does he have to be visible and write in local. In the current atmosphere CCP employees need to strive to take the attention away from themselves.

Slab Drinklots
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 - [570]
 

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