Originally by: Zeveron

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Some questions:

1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system?
2. Warped he in a DSS to log off?
3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?

And some facts:

You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer.
Plenty of time to scan you out.

So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:

1. Titan logs off
2. Covert scan him out.
3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer
4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him
5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)

I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done.
I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-)

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Originally by: Evil D4rk

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Originally by: Shirei

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What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.

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You dont have to kill anything to be aggro'ed.

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Originally by: Avernus

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Originally by: Shirei

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What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.

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Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.

Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did:
- A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills.
- Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS.
- The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.

Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.

Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.

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Originally by: Cupdeez

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Originally by: Zeveron

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Some questions:

1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system?
2. Warped he in a DSS to log off?
3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?

And some facts:

You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer.
Plenty of time to scan you out.

So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:

1. Titan logs off
2. Covert scan him out.
3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer
4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him
5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)

I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done.
I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-)

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No this is no true...

we scanned someone out the other day and tried to kill him but because we didn't get aggro before he logged he only stand around for about 60 sec. and his ship just dissapeard.. We tried to scan it out because we all fired at him but it never came up on scanner.

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Originally by: Avernus

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Originally by: Shirei

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What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.

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Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.

Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did:
- A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills.
- Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS.
- The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.

Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.

Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.

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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch

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Originally by: Avernus

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Originally by: Shirei

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What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.

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Unless I'm mistaken, nobody said he was agro'd, but if there was a covert watching the POS from where he logged off, that gives him a full 2 minutes to scan him out.

Now... I don't know if the Titan logged out directly from the POS, but here is what I do know if he did:
- A probing covert can finish a scan in under 50 seconds with fair skills.
- Warping off as you log means that you are within 1 million km of the POS.
- The prober can then use the most focused probe available, a successful scan would drop him right on top of the Titan.

Any covert pilot worth his salt and on the ball would nab and agress that titan under those conditions 95% of the time. At that point, it's a matter of a cyno pilot bringing in the capship fleet and them warping to the covert's location... dead titan.

Honestly, we haven't seen any battle report whatsoever. It makes a lot of sense to avoid putting forward theories until we hear the actual story.

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Just to be clear, your understanding of logging mechanics is flawed. If someone logs out WITHOUT aggro then shooting them does not start a 15minute timer. They simply disappear.

If someone logs out WITH aggro and you spend 14minutes scanning them down then you have one minute to kill them before they disappear.

Dont believe me or unsure? Test it.

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Originally by: AMD383

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http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/time.PNG
and hear whit time 5s for Shrike to replay!

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Originally by: Takita Yukida

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What I do not understand with the wreck exploit theory here is the fact that the titan supposidly sat in a POS for 3 hours.

How on earth was there any wreck left to be exploited at all if he did do nothing for 3 hours?

being idle -> no wrecks generated -> no wrecks to be exploited

somehow there seems to be a slight discrepancy about the wreck theory

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Originally by: Herculite

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Originally by: Crystal Starbreeze

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You know i have to call Haxx on this. Second titan lost all with BOB being the one taking it down and now a GM response quickly after.

I would like to see CCP's response that everything was fine, no exploit, Gm help etc. Two titans killed undefended by a Corp known to have cheated with GM help in the past. Seems fishy to me. How bout an official post. Its sad that now half of EVE players feel their is an exploit or GM help. CCP has lost the trust of the eve universe and now they have to build that trust back up. This would be an good first step.

I am neutral in this war but really this just doesn't seem right from any angle.

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People using logic and 'facts' like this is why I think democracy is doomed as a long term form of world government.

So if the GM's said 'no, no hacks involved' would that be enough? No of course not.

The only cheater so far has been a dev who made mostly ammo BPO's and one good ship bpo. No 'Corp known to have chated with GM help' was involved in two titan kills. BoB is the real victim in this scandal but instead you get people like the op posting emo.

Makes me glad I'm on the side I'm on.

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