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Boliknar
Minmatar
Divine Republic Holding LLC.
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 - [451]
 

Originally by: Breaka
1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.


Cool glad you agree with us thanks for posting.

Grimeh
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 - [452]
 

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Quarantine
Amarr
Somalian hijackers
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 - [453]
 

Edited by: Quarantine on 16/02/2007 20:07:37
edit: I've been told that the exploit I was refering to doesn't actually work. Since I haven't testet it myself yet, I'll better not fuel the smack machine here :)

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 - [454]
 

Originally by: Breaka
So, according to most of the smaller alliances on the coalition's side: 1) If BoB does something worthwhile they are h4xx0rz. 2) If their side does something worthwhile they are awesomeness embodied.


It is not _what_ you do but _how_ you do it. Using bugs (for example the wreck aggro bug) to get to your goal is worth nothing, even if the result would be a titan kill.

Deva Blackfire
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:54:00 - [455]
 

Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro
Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?

Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.




if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.


Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.

A: logs off
B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears)
A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off
A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes
B: kills unsuspecting A

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 - [456]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Avernus
warp him to a deep safe and log off without agression.


yes...if you'd like to tell us where the aggression came from, that would be hepful Wink

If you're going to quote me, use the bulk of the paragraph, and not half a sentence. The point of what I said was you logged him in a system with hostiles instead of jumping him out to a clear system to log. In my mind, doing that with a multi billion isk asset is near criminal negligence.

It's dead simple to do, and it makes an amazing amount of sense to treat a titan with the utmost care. Considering that 95% of what is being written in this thread is loaded with conjecture, I'm trying to stick to what appears to be factual statements that have been put forth. Looking forward to the battle report.

Fransis Drakke
Minmatar
UA Industry
Red Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 - [457]
 

the titan pilot was 1h or more sitting inside the pos wihout agro anything.. and he logged for IRL.

Explain it, bob

Grimeh
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 - [458]
 

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Seeboo
Caldari
Our Daily Bread Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:55:00 - [459]
 

even if there were some exploits used , you all know ccp wont tell us the whole truth .
That would be like throwing some oil in the fire .




Evil D4rk
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:56:00 - [460]
 

Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Stelteck
...

There is only 3 case possibles.
...

- The titan was destroyed because of a bug. Then the titan shall be given back.

...


Um no. CCP do not reimburse over bugs or undocumented features.



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Macro KillerCEO
Caldari
Macro KillerZ
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 - [461]
 

TOS

22.
You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.


Wreck shooty shooty is an exploit
Violation of TOS=Ban

Zeveron
Caldari
Exiled Gathering
HELL4S
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 - [462]
 

Some questions:

1. When the Titan logged off, were there any hostiles at the system?
2. Warped he in a DSS to log off?
3. D2 absolute sure that the DSS (if any) not busted?

And some facts:

You guys know that when you log off in a system, ur ship stays in space for 30s to (sometimes) 2 minutes? and thats w/o any aggro timer.
Plenty of time to scan you out.

So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:

1. Titan logs off
2. Covert scan him out.
3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer
4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him
5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)

I dont say it was that way, but how it can be done.
I got probed out that way, but know i ve learned it :-)

Max Teranous
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:57:00 - [463]
 

Originally by: Reknaw A'ru
The sudden muteness of BoD players leads me to believe they have something to hide?

Twisted Evil


Be fair, BoB haven't been posting for weeks now.

I find it amusing that pretty much no-one in this thread has a clue what actually happened but are happy to say all sorts of things as if they are indisbutable facts. Let's see what actual D2 & Bob reps say hey?

Knerf
Gallente
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 - [464]
 

why is it too that your ship warps when you are in a POS, really it should just disappear after a few minutes instead of warping off... that really needs to be changed too imho

gamarus
Caldari
Ridiculously Proposed Guildname
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:58:00 - [465]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro
Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?

Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.




if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.


Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.

A: logs off
B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears)
A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off
A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes
B: kills unsuspecting A


Oh right yea Embarassed

Deva Blackfire
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:59:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: Zeveron

So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:

1. Titan logs off
2. Covert scan him out.
3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer
4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him
5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)



This is exploit and was reimbursed quite often.

Bibi
Minmatar
Basic Tritanium Mining North
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:00:00 - [467]
 

Very nice after all this smacking from the people that fight bob hehe its funny they go lose a titan Very Happy




dfgdfgerdv
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:01:00 - [468]
 

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Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:02:00 - [469]
 

What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.

Evil D4rk
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:03:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Shirei
What exactly is supposed to have caused this aggro timer? The last kill by WOTANKN on the D2 killboard is a whole 3 days earlier.


You dont have to kill anything to be aggro'ed.

dosperado
Caldari
Denial of Service
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:04:00 - [471]
 

Originally by: DinoC
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CCP got be taking the p*** ... is this the best attempt at losing your playerbase?

Nothing against CCP being in local, but congratulating in local knowing the current climate and the dark shadow over the fairness of this game its taking things a bit too far if you ask me!.



hmm...afaik t20 is responsible for ccp's database ;)

char info shows "ccp database admin"

just wondering ;)

Del369
Caldari
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:04:00 - [472]
 

Originally by: dfgdfgerdv
Originally by: Macro KillerCEO
TOS

22.
You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.


Wreck shooty shooty is an exploit
Violation of TOS=Ban



To quote red alliance "Unless CCP fixes the bugs, then we will use them."

Funny how certain alts can post in here till the cows come home, still no suprises there eh.

Zeveron
Caldari
Exiled Gathering
HELL4S
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:05:00 - [473]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: gamarus
Originally by: Geli Tetro
Why is everyone jumping to wreckspliot conclusions?

Isnt it enterly more likely that BOB had a prober out waiting for the titan to logoff, they would have plenty of time with the new scanning to find and re-aggro the titan before it vanished.




if the player logs without aggro, shooting his ship will not generate aggro. The ship will simply disappear after 30-60 secs - way too fast to kill a supercapital.


Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.

A: logs off
B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears)
A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off
A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes
B: kills unsuspecting A


Not exactly.
This comes from knowlagebase:

Quote:
The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods.

Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action.

Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed.

The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind.

If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer.



Zeveron
Caldari
Exiled Gathering
HELL4S
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:06:00 - [474]
 

Edited by: Zeveron on 16/02/2007 20:04:43
Edited by: Zeveron on 16/02/2007 20:03:53
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Zeveron

So let see what could have happened if a hostile covert ops was in system:

1. Titan logs off
2. Covert scan him out.
3. He aggro the titan, and the titan gets a 15m aggro timer
4. Titan pilot tries to login, but he canned bcs of many ppl shooting at him
5. He panics, ctrl-q, try again, the same (try to login in space with 40 ppl shooting at you, to c what happens)



This is exploit and was reimbursed quite often.


You sure thats an exploit, then I have to petion my ship :-)

Zachios Primos
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 - [475]
 

Originally by: Plim
Originally by: Mortuus
Good job BoB.

To all the naysayers, I've fought against everyone in EvE, and when it comes down to understanding the game BoB are on top.

Well done, hope you drive D2 kicking and screaming out of your regions. Because unlike most people in game, you've earned them.


Well that makes sense since they programmed it \o/


LaughingLaughingLaughing

Deva Blackfire
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 - [476]
 

Originally by: Zeveron
Originally by: Deva Blackfire

Wrong. If you shoot him he WILL get aggro and disappear in 60 seconds. If he logs back on withing "aggro" timer (when he was out of game) he still retains it.

A: logs off
B: shoots A (1 minute A disappears)
A: logs on, checks B on local, logs off
A: this time he DOES NOT vanish - he sits 15 minutes
B: kills unsuspecting A


Not exactly.
This comes from knowlagebase:



Dont try to be smartass because i tested it before. And it DOES work indeed. I also like to have "deeper understanding of game" even if DEV friends cant tell me those "unseen" rules.

Roxors
Caldari
Solar Wind
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 - [477]
 

Edited by: Roxors on 16/02/2007 20:05:09
Originally by: nync
ASCN titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away , killed by BOD ready for it.
D2 titan, CTD, unable to log in, probed straight away, killed by BOD ready for it.

Isn't getting a bit odd...



well.. it will be interesting once there are enough titans around that someone can actually confirm the "shoot the wreck to agro" thing.. if it actually resets the agro timer every time someone shoots at the wreck of a DD victim i think we'll be see'ing most of the titans used in fleet battles end this way.. the logistical nightmare of hiding that titan long enough for your fleet to go in and clean up the battlefield (while being shot at by reinforcements) will be too much.


if it turns out that shooting the wrecks does NOT agro the titan then the newly formed internal affairs devision at ccp has some work to do.

Louis DelaBlanche
Gallente
An Outlying Variable
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:07:00 - [478]
 

If BOB genuinely got the Titan using some skillfull probing & all legitimately, then props to them.

If they used some exploit, such as aggro fiddling or otherwise, then your just adding to the hate.

Either way, I hope this kicks D2 into actually doing more then spinning in circles in NPC part of Fountain.

Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:08:00 - [479]
 

Shooting a wreck of a pilot, activates teh aggro timer, if he logged off and they scan him out and aggro him, YOU DO NOT GET AGGRO TIMER IF YOU LOG BEFORE THE AGGRO HAPPENED. It's the same thing that happens when people log off in bubbles, they still warp out and dissapear in 30 seconds.

CCP really has their heads up their asses to allow a Titan to get destroyed like this. Very poor show again CCP.

The only way they could have gotten aggro on the Titan is to shoot his can, which is an exploit and is petitionable.

FireForce
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.16 20:08:00 - [480]
 

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