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CCP kieron

Posted - 2007.02.09 20:23:00 - [1]
 

Recent allegations of developer misconduct have been the subject of much conversation in the EVE community and CCP. We have made a few recent statements to address these allegations, and listened to the community response.

In my last statement to the community, I promised that more would be forthcoming before the start of the weekend. Based on community response, we've addressed lingering questions and concerns in two different Dev Blogs.

Please read t20's Dev Blog, "On Recent Allegations" and Hellmar's Dev Blog, "The Commitment".

It is our hopes these Blogs will address the remainder of the EVE community's concerns over these allegations.

Update: 10 Feb at 0140 GMT
I have created a thread where I will address questions from the community. This is so my responses do not become lost among the community replies. The thread will be locked so further answers will not be difficult to find.

Suvetar


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:25:00 - [2]
 

Please keep your comments on topic and relevant, thanks everyone!

Adam C
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:26:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Adam C on 09/02/2007 20:42:49

Though you havent really enlightened* us on you losing your playing charactor. We know from previous blogs that you most likely did lose the one in RKK.

How will the developers whom lost their playing charactors* play the game now?
under closer scrutiny admittingly, anything else?

& do you have anything to say to that hacker/whistleblower who cought you guys out.

lets not forget the amount of people reading this are from all over the gaming community



Best hopes CCP.

Jonas O'Fall
SPIRAL ENTERPRISES
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:30:00 - [4]
 

Since the BPOs were illegitimate, what is the fate of the profits that were gained from their use?

Luigi Thirty
Caldari
The Minmatarded
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:30:00 - [5]
 

I wonder if this'll affect BoB's war plans Twisted Evil

Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:32:00 - [6]
 

*dons tinfoil hat*

Crazy. :O

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:33:00 - [7]
 

They weren't actually even very good BPO's Very Happy

Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:33:00 - [8]
 

Wow. In the grand scheme of things that ammounts to seriously so little. Anyone demanding more or threatening to quit over this still feel free to contract your stuff to me.

Gungankllr
Caldari
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Territorial Claim Unit
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:35:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Gungankllr on 09/02/2007 20:33:08
I'm glad and all, but there's a hell of a lot more than this to look into.

I really don't like BoB, but you need to to an exhaustive investigation into this entire incident to either prove them guilty of everything that has been leveled at them or clear them of any wrongdoing.

It's the right thing to do at this juncture.




Rabb Darktide
Independent Fleet
Dark Taboo
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:36:00 - [10]
 

It's amazing how the whole blueprint issue was just "skipped over" in kieron's first post. Frankly, it seems that, had the coummunity not expressed its outrage of a most obvious white washing, that the BPO part would have never seen the light of day.

I ask CCP this now - is t20 still employed? If yes, why?

In addition to removing the BPOs, any player who knew they were tainted should be disciplined, and ALL items built with them should be removed from the game.

This 11th hour confession only deepens the mistrust and suspicion I hold towards CCP right now. This should have been announced as soon as it was discovered along with a notice that t20 was no longer employeed.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:36:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: mazzilliu on 09/02/2007 20:34:13
:whoah:

any chance of unbanning ********** then? :/

matty01
matty01 hyperFun ratting corp
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:36:00 - [12]
 

jeeeeeeez

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:36:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kurj Valdoria
Wow. In the grand scheme of things that ammounts to seriously so little. Anyone demanding more or threatening to quit over this still feel free to contract your stuff to me.

It's the principle more than anything else.

Originally by: Gungankllr
I'm glad and all, but there's a hell of a lot more than this to look into.



There definitely is. I doubt it will be looked into though.

Kari Kayira
Easter Corporation
Vanguard.
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:37:00 - [14]
 

That doesn't seem like much. Still, I suppose the betrayal of the player base should sting a little.

I'm not sure if it's frightening or heartening that the developers have such a powerful interest in their game that they need to police their own. I've not heard of similar such groups ever being created for other games. Then again, rarely are devs as open as they are here.

All in all, what damage is done is done, so all I can say is, dun let it happen again ^^.

Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari
Wife Aggro Productions
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:37:00 - [15]
 

Just to be clear, I'm not calling for T20's head; however in Hellmar's blog it is stated that "the non-negotiable penalty is employee termination" or something similar for this.

Is this stating simply that this is the penalty/policy that will be applied now, going forward?

31i73
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:38:00 - [16]
 

Omg, so it WAS true! Will the guy that discovered this remain banned still?

Zhull
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:38:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Zhull on 09/02/2007 20:37:12
Can a Dev comment on how the investigation was conducted?

Has the person in charge of the investigation experencie in forensic audit?

You mention that logs were reviewed. What about e-mails? Interviews? Other files in personal computers?

Niaski Zalani
Ice Legion
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:39:00 - [18]
 

Oh, that's just great.

So first there's an attempt to sweep it under the rug, and a lot of denials. Then you ban K.'s accounts, for no real reason.

And now you're telling everyone that yes, there's truth behind it?

Bloody hell. Are you going to be re-instating those 7 accounts you banned? Because frankly, the guy deserves having his accounts back.

Apomixis
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:39:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Apomixis on 09/02/2007 20:36:04
What of the other allegations leveled in regard to exploiting and account misuse?

SonOTassadar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:40:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: SonOTassadar on 09/02/2007 20:37:11
Can t20 keep his job? Please? Sad

Bandobras
Caldari
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [21]
 

So does this mean t20 will be terminated?

Adam C
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Adam C on 10/02/2007 02:46:38
n/a

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [23]
 

even if what t20 did was wrong i hope he keeps his job Sad

Enjolras
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [24]
 

Its unfortunate that this justice is only triggered by 3rd party investigation.

Pilk
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Pilk on 09/02/2007 22:04:42
In exactly what way did t20 illegally gain these BPO's? Modifying the lottery database? Direct spawn? Is/was there some way--any way at all--to be "more favored" in lottery handouts?

--P

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
They weren't actually even very good BPO's Very Happy


Did you miss the Sabre BPO?

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:41:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Niaski Zalani
Oh, that's just great.

So first there's an attempt to sweep it under the rug, and a lot of denials. Then you ban K.'s accounts, for no real reason.

And now you're telling everyone that yes, there's truth behind it?

Bloody hell. Are you going to be re-instating those 7 accounts you banned? Because frankly, the guy deserves having his accounts back.

Even if there wasn't any truth behind it, I don't get why CCP would ban somebody for out-of-game actions. If anything, doing that will be bad for CCP in the long run.

Pilk
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:42:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Pilk on 09/02/2007 22:50:07
Similar to the occasion when a GM spawned Estamel's mods and ran them through a gatecamp, will there be any attempt to recover the material gains caused by invalid insertion of an item into the game database? In this case, I know it's a bit more abstract (isk, taking into account opportunity cost, instead of just /yoink <moduleID>), but will any attempt be made?

A quick profit calculation based on this post yields a total benefit, over the course of 8 months, of around 14 billion isk. Or, to put it another way--approximately one mothership. To be clear--that's just from the Sabre BPO.

To forstall the obvious, trite responses: Yes, I am fully aware that isk on this paltry scale is utterly and completely meaningless to BoB as an alliance.

--P

Anglo
Minmatar
Astral Mexicans
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:42:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Anglo on 09/02/2007 20:42:24
how much did bob get out of this ?? how many people were killed due to a gm being in bob ? is there other isues we should need to know ?

sabre was bound to bring in some isk. will those isk be taken from bob ? as in the isk they made from all the bpo ?`i dont think taking the bpos is enough.

Arowe Telak
Caldari
Crimson Empire.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.02.09 20:43:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Shigsy
They weren't actually even very good BPO's Very Happy


All except the Sabre bpo, which is one of the best.

Anyways, at the very least I hope all the accusations in COAD dies down. It was getting a bit stupid tbh.


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