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Buxaroo
Gallente
The Army of The Ori
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2007.02.06 15:33:00 - [61]
 

I think it is a fitting monument (or will be). And to the guy who said to omit the names of the parties involved: why? This game is and foremost a player-driven game. So I think it is fitting that BoB and ASCN are mentioned on the monument for all to see. After all it is ASCN who built the titan and BoB who destroyed it.

The folklore angle I can understand. But it is not fitting in this regards because both BoB and ASCN worked hard for their respective goals and one became the winner. After all, every single historic battlefield on the planet has the participants who were involved mentioned. To not list the participants would be demeaning to both BoB and ASCN.

Eteoneus
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.02.06 15:45:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Eteoneus on 06/02/2007 15:42:17
Does Light Darkness also get a memorial for losing the first Morros Dreadnought? ;)

BTW: Congraz to CYVOK!

Caimbueul Har'lea'quinn
Minmatar
Quid Pro Quo
Posted - 2007.02.06 15:47:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Smagd
Originally by: Atreides Horza
They should have put an epitaph on the monument. Something like:

Here lies the remnants of Bruce the Almighty,
whose fittings were scarceful and far from alrighty.
They thought they had tanked,
yet still they were ganked,
by numerous dreads and a rifter named Heidi.

or maybe:

This Titan was flown by Cyvok the Boss,
who suffered a sudden connection loss.
He got disconnected,
aggressed and detected,
and died with his primaries still unselected.




Nice, and original, but there's already another one that I much prefer:

Originally by: Zeno Kang
With apologies to Shelley,

I met a traveller from a distant star
Who said:—Two vast and wingless halves of a hull
Float in the void. Near them by the asteroids,
Half burned, a froz’n corpse drifts, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that the pilot, well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on this lifeless thing,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the prow these words appear:
"My name is Avatar, titan of titans:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The mute and blinking stars stretch far away.




Atreides' have more "flow" IMO.
In any case, good to see this game inspiring poets. Very Happy

Nottingham Lace
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2007.02.06 15:53:00 - [64]
 

so when we can go see it YARRRR!!

Rennard
Amarr
Aku Soku Zan
Posted - 2007.02.06 16:24:00 - [65]
 

a perfect monument for the

"LOGOFFSKI IS BAD M'KAY?"

Honestly, it just proves the richest noob of the game died dramaticly. Everyone knows that titan didn't die in a battle.

Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.06 16:38:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Kaleeb
Who killed the fist ever battleship? was it M0o? Wonder who killed the first ever ship in pvp?

Cool monument though


The first ever killed battleship was a m0o Dominix piloted to the infamous Lord Zap, solo against a blob of alliance cruisers and frigates.

This was back when we could stack damage mods to obtain insane damage multipliers.

Swanny231
Gallente
FISKL GUARDS
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.02.06 17:20:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Atreides Horza
They should have put an epitaph on the monument. Something like:

This Titan was flown by Cyvok the Boss,
who suffered a sudden connection loss.
He got disconnected,
aggressed and detected,
and died with his primaries still unselected.




Nice indeed Laughing

Galimiy Portret
Caldari
Exploration Inc.
Posted - 2007.02.06 18:16:00 - [68]
 

Well, I would have been very much delighted by such an addition, but in the light of recent events I am somehow not much surprised.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.02.06 18:38:00 - [69]
 

"So does this mean I will have to self destruct my Veldnought in order to get something with my name on it?"

Well, alternatively you could win a riddle contest, like the Burn Eden guys did. (should the monument in Jita have their names removed from it if we stick to this "no names" idea?)

There's been also moons named after players who won Amarr frigate tournament thing... perhaps these names should be erased as well :x

Menf
Gallente
Seraphin Technologies
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.06 18:49:00 - [70]
 

Hm..would be nice to have a "Moros-monument" at E02 for LDs Dread-loss Wink

Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.02.06 18:53:00 - [71]
 

Its a shame the Titan didn't die a more noble death. Getting ganked while logged off is really an unimpressive end, and not particularly monument worthy. It simply has a loud "this is a game" association with it due to the out-of-game component, as opposed to dying in battle.

Let's imagine the Titan's final moments from an in-character perspective...

Cyvok: "Ok, everyone into the hibernation pods".
Random Flunkie: "Um sir, there's hostiles around."
Cyvok: "Yes, but because we haven't shot anyone in 13 minutes we'll magically dissapear from space in 2 more minutes."
Random Flunkie: "Ooh, ok sir. I guess magic must work if you say so."

BoB Scout: "Noobs! They forgot that the magic resets if you go into hibernation before the full 15 minutes is up. Now we have 15 minutes to find their sleeping bodies."

A valid kill, but it was a death of basically OOC game mechanics. Let's see the first Titan to go down in actual use.

Tipz NexAstrum
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
United Corporate Ventures
Posted - 2007.02.06 18:56:00 - [72]
 

It's nice and all, but how will it be found to be read? Or would it just be easier to place the monument wreck near a gate or the station?


dalman
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.06 19:28:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: j0sephine
"So does this mean I will have to self destruct my Veldnought in order to get something with my name on it?"

Well, alternatively you could win a riddle contest, like the Burn Eden guys did. (should the monument in Jita have their names removed from it if we stick to this "no names" idea?)

There's been also moons named after players who won Amarr frigate tournament thing... perhaps these names should be erased as well :x

I really fail to get your point here jO.

The Jita statue was an award for winning a contest sponsored by a caldari corp or whatever.

The planets and moons were named after the pilots by the emperor, as a "thank you" cause if it wasn't for them, he would have been dead instead of emperor at the time.

This is a ghad damn wreck. A huge crap piece of metal floating in space. Nothing else.

BE solved the riddles and won the statue.
MASS reigned the tourney and won the moons.
BOB killed the titan and won the war.

You really don't see it that way?

Ofc there are alot of other concern I'd gladly discuss.
I didn't like the statue idea at all. Or, it could have been ok in another lesser system perhaps.
It's certainly an intersting subject if players (not NPC factions) should be empowered to raise monuments. I'm not sure at all how that could be solved.
It'd sure be interesting.
If the ex-ASCN wanted and could raise a monument for Cyvok, that'd be all ok for me (although I dunno how they could... surely the monument would have to be in their space, but they have new landlords :s ).
If BoB wanted and could raise a monument to remember the destruction of this titan, that'd be ok for me (and ofc you could then put that next to the generic big ass wreck from the titan). But tbfh I don't see why you want a monument for blowing up a logged off ship - is that really something you're proud of? If I'd been a FC in BoB I would have been gutted at the fact I never got the chance to kill the titan in a real battle (though I ofc would have proceeded to destroy the logged ship as the goal was to win a war).

I know damn well that I'm biased (and so is everyone), but I'd think I have a point that people on 'your side' could agree with :s

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.02.06 19:49:00 - [74]
 

"I really fail to get your point here jO."

To be honest, i think it's really bad time for adding this kind of 'memorial' to the game, since it just resonates too much with the "a-ha, Band of Developers!" vibe and all the tinfoil picks it up... and the whole "meh" way the titan went boom ain't helping it, either. It'd be much much easier if it died in a real regular fight instead but heey, that's like wishing for a pony now :/

But at the same time, i feel the "it shouldn't have any names on it" notion is also to degree influenced by the recent drama... i don't mean it in a insulting way, but it seems to be a bit of knee-jerk reaction that wouldn't take place if it was any other entity involved in it. While yes, the titan death was far from glorious itself, it is at the same time a significant event as far as player-created content in this game goes... what would be the point of *not* putting the names of these involved in it? So people who come to game months later can fantasize it's maybe a space whale that died out of hunger and/or are left wondering, because these who might still remember... moved on and are no longer playing?

There's enough problem with keeping the record of player-generated game history as it is -- lot of things are forgotten, and plenty are reduced to vague 6th-hand recollections... imo to call for further vagueness and lack of information and records, it just makes the game somewhat more meaningless in the long run.

Vadoc Trax
Caldari
RABBLE-RABBLE
R-I-P
Posted - 2007.02.06 19:49:00 - [75]
 

Who knows, there might be more monuments out there each time a Titan is destroyed. As for wondering how to get to the wreck, it will probably show up on the overview so you can warp there. Although I doubt many people will be seeing it since they will only get shot at.

Recluse Viramor
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.06 19:54:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Vadoc Trax
Who knows, there might be more monuments out there each time a Titan is destroyed. As for wondering how to get to the wreck, it will probably show up on the overview so you can warp there. Although I doubt many people will be seeing it since they will only get shot at.


I believe thats the plan, every time a titan is downed its wreck will be permanent.

Thor Xian
Caldari
Rebirth.
THE GOD SQUAD
Posted - 2007.02.06 20:13:00 - [77]
 

At the rate Motherships and Titans are dying, CCP might not be able to handle that.

Shiraz Merlot
Caldari
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.07 00:32:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Smagd
Nice, and original, but there's already another one that I much prefer:

Originally by: Zeno Kang
With apologies to Shelley,

I met a traveller from a distant star
Who said:—Two vast and wingless halves of a hull
Float in the void. Near them by the asteroids,
Half burned, a froz’n corpse drifts, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that the pilot, well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on this lifeless thing,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the prow these words appear:
"My name is Avatar, titan of titans:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The mute and blinking stars stretch far away.



PS: I'd go travel there and watch it.

Sent a shiver right up my spine.

Mordenkainan
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.02.07 00:36:00 - [79]
 

Nice monument.

To the tinfoil brigade: It was the first Titan to die, whether it was loggofksi, his comp crashing or anything else, it was still the first to go down.

Props to CCP for the memorial (hope it does come in), props to BoB n ASCN for fighting it out.

Stop posting crap - at least CCP have the balls as developers to do this thing.

Jennie Marlboro
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2007.02.07 00:50:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Mordenkainan
Nice monument.

To the tinfoil brigade: It was the first Titan to die, whether it was loggofksi, his comp crashing or anything else, it was still the first to go down.

Props to CCP for the memorial (hope it does come in), props to BoB n ASCN for fighting it out.

Stop posting crap - at least CCP have the balls as developers to do this thing.


Signed.

This is a persistent MMORPG universe, and having something "permanent" to remember ASCN by -- and BoB, too, after it falls -- is fitting.

Serilla
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.07 01:42:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Thor Xian
At the rate Motherships and Titans are dying, CCP might not be able to handle that.


Cyvok is the only person to lose a super capital thus far (at least that I'm aware of) so the loss rate isn't exactly high

Shardiss
Gallente
Medecins sans Planetes
Posted - 2007.02.07 02:57:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Shardiss on 07/02/2007 02:53:11


I'm pretty sure Thor Xian was making a joke at CCP's expense, Serilla. Very Happy

Thor Xian
Caldari
Rebirth.
THE GOD SQUAD
Posted - 2007.02.07 09:23:00 - [83]
 

Wink

Kaeten
Gallente
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2007.02.07 09:27:00 - [84]
 

\o/

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2007.02.07 09:35:00 - [85]
 

Cool, that'll be an interesting landmark to visit Very Happy

Fi T'Zeh
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.02.07 09:47:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Serilla
Originally by: Thor Xian
At the rate Motherships and Titans are dying, CCP might not be able to handle that.


Cyvok is the only person to lose a super capital thus far (at least that I'm aware of) so the loss rate isn't exactly high


I suspect your irony sensors need a quick overhaul.

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.02.07 09:47:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: dalman
But tbfh I don't see why you want a monument for blowing up a logged off ship - is that really something you're proud of? If I'd been a FC in BoB I would have been gutted at the fact I never got the chance to kill the titan in a real battle (though I ofc would have proceeded to destroy the logged ship as the goal was to win a war).

I know damn well that I'm biased (and so is everyone), but I'd think I have a point that people on 'your side' could agree with :s


Maybe you should start looking at it from an rp sense than a real world sense and the answer will become blatantly clear.

For a long time in eve, the players of this game have managed to separate rl from ig but I fear that right now, the userbase is travelling down a path where everything about this game is real life.

And that's a scary place to be.

dbp

Thor Xian
Caldari
Rebirth.
THE GOD SQUAD
Posted - 2007.02.07 10:16:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: dalman
But tbfh I don't see why you want a monument for blowing up a logged off ship - is that really something you're proud of? If I'd been a FC in BoB I would have been gutted at the fact I never got the chance to kill the titan in a real battle (though I ofc would have proceeded to destroy the logged ship as the goal was to win a war).

I know damn well that I'm biased (and so is everyone), but I'd think I have a point that people on 'your side' could agree with :s


Maybe you should start looking at it from an rp sense than a real world sense and the answer will become blatantly clear.

For a long time in eve, the players of this game have managed to separate rl from ig but I fear that right now, the userbase is travelling down a path where everything about this game is real life.

And that's a scary place to be.

dbp


There is a significant number of people that think the majority of BoB (or perhaps just the ones above the rank Meat Shield) already has gone to that point.

Malachon Draco
Caldari
eXceeded
Posted - 2007.02.07 10:18:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: dalman
But tbfh I don't see why you want a monument for blowing up a logged off ship - is that really something you're proud of? If I'd been a FC in BoB I would have been gutted at the fact I never got the chance to kill the titan in a real battle (though I ofc would have proceeded to destroy the logged ship as the goal was to win a war).

I know damn well that I'm biased (and so is everyone), but I'd think I have a point that people on 'your side' could agree with :s


Maybe you should start looking at it from an rp sense than a real world sense and the answer will become blatantly clear.

For a long time in eve, the players of this game have managed to separate rl from ig but I fear that right now, the userbase is travelling down a path where everything about this game is real life.

And that's a scary place to be.

dbp


Seems indeed that a line has been crossed, only question is, when did we cross it? Did we cross 10 months ago, or was it 4 or was it just with recent events? Opinions differ I think, and also the perception of who crossed the line first.

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.07 10:22:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Thor Xian
There is a significant number of people that think the majority of BoB (or perhaps just the ones above the rank Meat Shield) already has gone to that point.


Thats the irony of the situation. We most definitely are no where even close to that point.


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