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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.02.01 02:27:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Vaslav Tchitcherine
Well, sure, they're only snowballs, but some of us liked playing with them and so spent money collecting them. I'm sure we won't be getting that money back, since other players have it now.

But, let's be clear on what's happened: you took my stuff, gave me nothing in exchange, and gave no warning that this would happen, all because you messed up back on '05.*

Snowballs were fun, I'll miss them.

* you = CCP, not Jiekon, who I think wasn't employed then

I agree on all points, I still had a good few-hundred snowballs I was slowly going through shooting up people and places out of 0.0 for fun. It was one of the few things in the game next to Livestock that is fun to use and a lighthearted item in such a heavyhanded game. Let's face it, CCP doesn't give a **** about its players.

Menod Penter
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.02.01 02:33:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Verite Rendition
Let's face it, CCP doesn't give a **** about its players.
Yes... from a player with a few years under my belt this does seem to be true of late :(

Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens


Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2007.02.01 02:37:00 - [123]
 

That's very dissapointing news, instead of "patching" how the snowballs work you remove them.. well great, i didn't use them anymore, but they were a fun item. What happened to the "noobs will have to learn the hard way'?

Menod Penter
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.02.01 03:08:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Tasuric Orka
What happened to the "noobs will have to learn the hard way'?
Simple....
1) The bottom line is CCP's dollar income.... Hurt Noobs and you hurt profits.
2) Nerf items that cause big petition counts.
3) Noobs should be protected at the expense of vets.

It's a sad sad time at CCP :(

Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens




Domalais
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2007.02.01 04:50:00 - [125]
 

Looks like instead of melting them CCP should have turned the snowballs into some Kleenex.

pennzoil
Posted - 2007.02.01 04:55:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Menod Penter
Originally by: Tasuric Orka
What happened to the "noobs will have to learn the hard way'?
Simple....
1) The bottom line is CCP's dollar income.... Hurt Noobs and you hurt profits.
2) Nerf items that cause big petition counts.
3) Noobs should be protected at the expense of vets.
It's a sad sad time at CCP :(

Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens





They should ask SOE how that worked out for them with SWG.

I miss my snowballs but I'm more worried about how CCP has been acting lately on communication. They used to be the best. I agree seems to be a slippery slope lately with CCP Sad They used to be the best.

Jangus McGee
Caldari
Posted - 2007.02.01 05:28:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Jangus McGee on 01/02/2007 05:25:30
I've been playing for only a few months now, and I can say I'm addicted. As I can't play EVE here at my college due to the firewall, I spend my days here reading the forums, even in class on my phone. Over the past month, I've seen peoples opinions change quite a bit concerning CCP's actions, and this seemingly minor thing has a lot of people ticked off. I can understand why you want your snowballs back and have no problem with them taking the snowballs away if they were causing problems, but without notice? That is simply ridiculous. Just last week I learned about snowballs, and wanted to get my hands on some as soon as I got home to play, but that dream is dead forever.....

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.02.01 05:48:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Prydeless
Wow look at all the babies crying because there snow melted. get over it! The Dark Prophet has spoken.Shocked


LOL so true, it's funny to see so many crybabies whine over an item that was meant to be used at the christmas time, and not after that.

HELLLOOOOOO, it's just a Snowball LOL, i would agree if this had been a Warp Disruptor II or something, but it's not, it's just an useless Snowball.

Shugo Kazuma
Posted - 2007.02.01 05:54:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Verite Rendition
It was one of the few things in the game next to Livestock that is fun to use and a lighthearted item in such a heavyhanded game.


Shocked What the heck do you use livestock for?

I wonder what the chances are that they just nixed the DB until they can actually implement a code fix. Clearly something went wrong, because when they originally implemented these items, they did not make people flash red, or at least not that I ever heard of or experianced.
Baitting in that people freak out and start smashing F1-F8 when they see unidentified weapons hitting their ship yes, but never the flashing red bit.

Flesh Eater
Posted - 2007.02.01 06:23:00 - [130]
 

err..are all you people who are complaining bitterly doing so to be satirical?

Yes the forums are full of whiners, but this is just ridiculous....

Dread Phantom
Caldari
End Game.
Posted - 2007.02.01 06:43:00 - [131]
 

Laughing

Deepsky
Posted - 2007.02.01 07:14:00 - [132]
 

I spent the day after Christmas flying around scooping these snowballs up because I guessed most people wouldn't know what to do with them. I went broke snatching them up. It was the reason I first visited the surroundng 5 regions. I thought I had a plan. I spent time collecting them, moving them and buying them cheap from people who don't enjoy/understand long term strategy. 8 months later when the price was 20 times what I paid I let a few go on the market and recouped my investment. I made some money after that but when the real push was to start, they went off the market data base.

Over the next two months I heard the following from my petitions:
-- Nothing (1 month)
-- they still work (1 more month),
-- send your petition to these other guys, its a data base issue,
-- they work,
-- you don't understand the new contract system
-- we can't comment on a design issue,
and finally, "don't worry they will only get better with age."

Then they took them away without a word.

I understand the need to tweak the game but there is No Definition of Customer Service that covers the treatment I got.

I have played eve 15 hours a week for 18 months. I have paid $400 in subscription fees and enjoyed 1500 hours of play, I have a net worth of around 5 Billion, I don't know if that is high or low, I don't want to. I don't care how much you made. What I am completely sure of is this little project occupied my attention for a year. My time is the most precious thing I have.

See, not all of us are here to just blow stuff up, some of us like blowing stuff up and also building things long term, getting rich and using it to Blow Even MORE STUFF UP!

When I was just asking what was going on I got the cold shoulder, questions about my compentency and then an outright lie. I know it wasn't intentional, just a tech making his best guess but the result is the same.

I have to question the wisdom of storing work product in a universe where that product can be taken away with out any explaination. The more powerful my character gets the longer I play the more vulnerable I am to it being taken away like this. Thats not going to happen. I can deal with the other players but CCP holds all the cards and they aren't being careful enough with my time.

So I don't want to be melodramatic but I just can't risk my spare time, I have a job and a home, free time matters and I am not going to invest in this universe anymore. Not when they can do this. So yes, actually I am quiting. Its going to take a while to get the BPO's out of the lab and settle my affairs. I have made some friends and will help them but not give so much it ruins their idea of the value of hard work. The agents are going to keep the loyalty points I have been building.

If I had 2 weeks of forewarning instead of the run around I wouldn't bat an eye, If they had made them melt in to something I could pretend was compensation, it would have been a gas. If they had said 'suspended until we fix it' I would have waited another year.

But this is wrong and I know it.
I am not going to get ganked by the company too. Even the tough guys should at least glimpse the respect issue here.

But the big problem for me is I can no longer trust my efforts in this glacierly slow game will result in value that I will get to use.

So, ya. I am leaving and it sucks for me. But I want something tangible for the hours I put in even if its not a paycheck. Or at least where I don't get the run around.

Gileas
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
Posted - 2007.02.01 08:02:00 - [133]
 

You've got my support Deepsky, though I'm afraid I don't have the guts to join you, yet. I hate to see when a long-term player leaves due to a betrayal, but I understand it. I left EQ, EnB, SWG and CoH due to similar incidents in their history.

This is an incident of poor communication prior to the incident and even poorer handling of the complaints by CCP's voice in this thread. I'd expect such lack of respect and blatent unapologetic ****iness from EA, Cryptic/NCSoft or SOE. I've been a subscriber here even when I had months of time I didn't play, just because I felt CCP was a good company and I wanted to support them.

Kesslan Osefice
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.02.01 08:43:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Prydeless
Wow look at all the babies crying because there snow melted. get over it! The Dark Prophet has spoken.Shocked


LOL so true, it's funny to see so many crybabies whine over an item that was meant to be used at the christmas time, and not after that.

HELLLOOOOOO, it's just a Snowball LOL, i would agree if this had been a Warp Disruptor II or something, but it's not, it's just an useless Snowball.


See thats the thing, in your ignorance your not seeing here. Now All told I some how wound up with 100 snowballs + launcher i never got round to using. So, like you the 'snowball nerf' doesnt affect me one bloody bit.

But the fact remains that a functioning item in the game was removed/changed without any notice, and the matter is being largely ignored on purpose rather than addressed to PAYING CUSTOMERS.

As other folk have pointed out CPP is slowly starting to look like it's slipping down the same slope SOE did back when SOE started to quietly nerf/change things unnanounced. It started small enough, then got bigger, untill their grand 'Combat Upgrade' hit. It -wasnt- as bad as some people said or made it out to be. As an armorsmith I hated how they 'nerfed' the complexity behind it though I can understand their reasons for doing so. And in the end prices of armor went up due to MASSIVE increases in cost.

But what else also happened? They said 'we care about crafters!' they said 'What was good before CU will be good after CU'. So what was the end result? For all the big time PVPers out there all their super expensive gear, stuff they'd grinded for DAYS to save up money for or get those rare drops for to have crafted or what ever.. turned to junk. The folk who made armor and weapons suddenly had valuable stock that took alot of time and credits to aquire, turned to junk. And it's junk you couldnt even recycle to get parts back from to boot.

And then what? Then they came out with CU2! Totally changing the system all over again and still saying 'we care about crafters!'. Well look at where that is now. Items dont get destroyed, they dont decay, they never need repair or replacement, and anythign crafted is junk compared to what you can loot by a huge margin.

Never mind that there wasnt even much of a whisper of the changes being made in many cases, much less the stupifying scope of those changes. Now sure this probably comes across as alarmist. But there's a damn good reason for that. I've seen several good MMOs get ruined now when companies who used to care about customer responce started pulling crap like CPP. -IF- they keep up this kinda thing like what they did to probes and snowballs they WILL wind up with serious reprocussions and at best they'll wind up with a game like Neocron where there's little but a super diehard fanbase left and ultimately really no one to play with.

Tisiphone Actual
Posted - 2007.02.01 09:43:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Prydeless
Wow look at all the babies crying because there snow melted. get over it! The Dark Prophet has spoken.Shocked


LOL so true, it's funny to see so many crybabies whine over an item that was meant to be used at the christmas time, and not after that.

HELLLOOOOOO, it's just a Snowball LOL, i would agree if this had been a Warp Disruptor II or something, but it's not, it's just an useless Snowball.


God, its like shooting fish in a barrel. I am going to miss this game.
Well nothing lasts forever. On the other hand there is one born every minute so I guess I am covered.

dosperado
Denial of Service
Posted - 2007.02.01 09:56:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: dosperado on 01/02/2007 09:53:51
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: leeloo lefete
The excuse that they were being used to get someone concorded is nonsense. That is just "another game mechanic". Is CCP going to remove every way you can trick someone into getting killed? Hardly!

Bring back the snowballs! Or compensate us for the ones you stole from us!

Gadgette


No, it's not nonsense. This item made people who attacked others using snowballs have red flashing brackets, tell me what other item in game does this without you being concorded in empire space.


Attacking someone with "snowballs" only caused yellow flashing brackets...it was no aggressive act!

Gileas
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
Posted - 2007.02.01 10:07:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: dosperado
Edited by: dosperado on 01/02/2007 09:53:51
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: leeloo lefete
The excuse that they were being used to get someone concorded is nonsense. That is just "another game mechanic". Is CCP going to remove every way you can trick someone into getting killed? Hardly!

Bring back the snowballs! Or compensate us for the ones you stole from us!

Gadgette


No, it's not nonsense. This item made people who attacked others using snowballs have red flashing brackets, tell me what other item in game does this without you being concorded in empire space.


Attacking someone with "snowballs" only caused yellow flashing brackets...it was no aggressive act!


Whoops! Time to nerf targeting in highsec cause they might just shoot you because you're targeting them. Durrr.

Yeah, no aggression flag was caused by the snowballs. Just the same icon that indicates someone's got you targeted. Get your facts straight Jiekon and quit trying to feed us lines. Dishonesty is the fastest road to losing subscribers.

Oz Borne
Naughty 40
Posted - 2007.02.01 10:21:00 - [138]
 

OP is a troll.

CCP are doing their best to improve the stability, speed and overall gaming experience for all - thats new players and the seasoned vets.

If they feel that snowballs needed to be removed, then you should know they have thought about it, examined petitions, discussed it, thought about it some more and then implemented the change.

Quit whining and do something constructive with your time.

Akira Zendragon
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2007.02.01 12:16:00 - [139]
 

I would like to have tried the snowballs... but I didn't get any this Chrismas... Sad

But I have to agree that CCP did not handle this one properly. Some warning would have been nice so that ppl could have had a last snowball fight.

Oh well... Anyone wants to sell some launchers and melted snowballs cheap?

Xendie
Ad Astra Vexillum
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2007.02.01 12:20:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: leeloo lefete
The excuse that they were being used to get someone concorded is nonsense. That is just "another game mechanic". Is CCP going to remove every way you can trick someone into getting killed? Hardly!

Bring back the snowballs! Or compensate us for the ones you stole from us!

Gadgette


No, it's not nonsense. This item made people who attacked others using snowballs have red flashing brackets, tell me what other item in game does this without you being concorded in empire space.


well thats a rewrite of actual things as you changed the way the overview looked while shooting snowballs at someone to not showing red brackets when shooting at them with snowballs.

hey lets remove all guns so people cant practice darwinism in the game also.
we dont want people to learn anything the hard way do we?

B1GDAVE
Posted - 2007.02.01 13:15:00 - [141]
 

You dare remove my collection of corpses! Twisted Evil

Eamon Develara
Caldari
Armadillo Industries
Posted - 2007.02.01 13:49:00 - [142]
 

So there's five pages of whine about some stupid snow balls? I could understand if they had nerfed your tissue box or something but we're talking about a snowball launcher....





This is my opinion and not that of my corparation yada yada yada.

Zillazuki
Nex Exercitus
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.02.01 14:03:00 - [143]
 

Hahahahaha...crying about snowball launchers and snowballs...pathetic. You wasted your isk on them, tough luck, you should have bought something useful.

No wonder we didn't get a pressie this year, to most of us it was a bit of fun for about an hour or so, then we got on with playing the game the way it was intended.

prsr
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.02.01 14:13:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Dotar Sojat
Its kind of like here in the U.S. the liberal democrats want to have a separation between church and state, but if you suggest that they should then work through the Christmas break they get the vapors.


Are you saying you can't have days off during the winter holidays unless you allow people to bring their religion into government or something?
That seperation thing was an idea from your revered founding fathers btw, don't go dissing them publicly or you'll loose your argument by default.

Political talking points (and dumb ones at that) don't really belong here. Don't you agree?

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2007.02.01 15:05:00 - [145]
 

being able to salvage implants/hardwirings from corpses would be sex.

Fswd
Gallente
Psychotic Sea Monkeys
Posted - 2007.02.01 15:07:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Fswd on 01/02/2007 15:04:09
http://www.internetcash.com/en/images/baby-crying.jpg - Do not post images please - only links - thanks Hutch.

Oh...MOMMYYYYYYYYYYY, they stole my good for nothing items. YARRRR!!

Dixon
Caldari
Hells Donkeys
Posted - 2007.02.01 15:26:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Dixon on 01/02/2007 15:22:49
Yes, this clearly indicates that CCP not only doesn't care about their players but do in fact HATE them. Billions of isk were lost, lives were ruined and skies are falling. I encourage everybody to cancel their subscriptions and proceed to burn Iceland.

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2007.02.01 15:28:00 - [148]
 

Huh, it's CCPs game, not mine. I won't argue the point: They're gone, and at least for half a (weak) reason. I guess making them just keep blinking yellow on overview was too hard to implement (not meant ironically).

I'll just argue with all the whiner-bashers. Can you please lay it off? Bashing whiners is not much better than whining, and are you sure you have thought it through?

The next "pointless" item removed may be that fancy faction frig you're so proud of on your kill board, or defender missiles, or mines, or veldspar, or bantams, or titans, or Jita, or the ability to tank sentries.

They're all pointless in a way, or someone won't ever need it, or there's better stuff out there, or they do something bad, or nothing at all.

But I've got a feeling like they all add to *some* people's game.

Thanks.

Oops, have I just bashed whiner-bashers? Sue me below.

Oz Borne
Naughty 40
Posted - 2007.02.01 15:37:00 - [149]
 

*snip* inappropriate for our teen rated forums. Please do not post images with profanity in. - thanks hutch

Dixon
Caldari
Hells Donkeys
Posted - 2007.02.01 15:41:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Dixon on 01/02/2007 16:46:22
Originally by: Oz Borne
*snip* inappropriate for our teen rated forums. Please do not post images with profanity in. - thanks hutch

... damn!


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