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Tisiphone Actual
Posted - 2007.01.31 07:31:00 - [91]
 


Customer support finally wrote me:

I deeply apologize for the inconvenience and the late reply. I might add that these items of yours should be like whiskey, only get better (and more expensive) with age :)


And then they melted.
Wow.

spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
Posted - 2007.01.31 07:36:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Verone
I thought I'd seen everything on these forums until I read this thread.

Then I realised, that no matter where you go, whatever you do, somewhere, someone, no matter how futile, pointless and mediocre their point is, will endeavour to argue for something that is utterly pointless.

Laughing




I keep finding myself agreeing with Verone.

Does that make me a bad man too? Confused


This thread is like one long tantrum. You're making yourselves look like children, stop it and grow up.

w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2007.01.31 07:40:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Jiekon

Snowballs were never a part of the original plan for eve, their introduction caused nothing but headaches for the support staff.



Im sure theres heaps of stuff that where never part of the original plan Rolling Eyes

$5 says it was a simple case of no one being able to work out how to make it so you didnt appear red and flashy when firing them.


Gileas
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
Posted - 2007.01.31 07:43:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Gileas on 31/01/2007 07:40:16
I see this as a lesson. Don't value anything CCP gives us for free. Don't buy or sell anything awarded to us by the devs as collectibles, because they will just take them away on a whim with no notice or apology. All virtual property in the game is owned by CCP anyway, so they can just delete anything in the database and have Jiekon here post "get over it".

I usually champion CCP's communication and close relationship with the players. This event makes me wonder what direction CCP is going. Have you acquired any previously SOE, EA or Cryptic staff lately?

Vir Hellnamin
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.01.31 07:43:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 31/01/2007 07:53:27
Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 31/01/2007 07:47:45

meh...

Too bad they were fun in some occations when celebrating some corp happenings (read: RP fireworks). Now we only have torpedoes...


btw, snowballs are gank tactic is comparable to war.decced-alt gang invite tactic. **** that one up too then to be on equal sides.

Ubel Feuer
Posted - 2007.01.31 07:45:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Lord Darkness
Edited by: Lord Darkness on 30/01/2007 21:25:38
Originally by: Jiekon
You can reject it as lame all you want, but it's not going to change.

Snowballs were never a part of the original plan for eve, their introduction caused nothing but headaches for the support staff.



So rather than fix what is causing the problem you just remove them all together. That's not very good software practice, what next? Are you going to remove drones because they cause problems rather than fix them?


Snowballs have not been removed. They have been changed. The items still exist...kindof.


Nice dodging the real question there.

tiewan
Posted - 2007.01.31 08:14:00 - [97]
 

Blame the idiots using them to make people concord themselves.

If people would have used them for fun snowball fights instead of a way to grief people, then we wouldn't have this problem.


SSgt Sniper
Gallente
SSgt Sniper Temporary corp
Posted - 2007.01.31 08:50:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: tiewan
Blame the idiots using them to make people concord themselves.

If people would have used them for fun snowball fights instead of a way to grief people, then we wouldn't have this problem.




Wait, I thought CCP was all about the griefing?


Well, there went our weekly corp snowball fights. (Yeah, eventually there'd have been none left to buy, but to see our current reserve just go without a chance to use them all up does make me sad.)

Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.31 10:17:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: tiewan
Blame the idiots using them to make people concord themselves.

If people would have used them for fun snowball fights instead of a way to grief people, then we wouldn't have this problem.




Wait, I thought CCP was all about the griefing?


Well, there went our weekly corp snowball fights. (Yeah, eventually there'd have been none left to buy, but to see our current reserve just go without a chance to use them all up does make me sad.)

Yeah that's the reason why im annoyed a bit. I kept all my snowballs and stuff for selling a few years later for masses of money Very Happy. But if I would of been warned I could of fired one which I haven't done yetSad.


But ah well no real loss. Might aswell fire missiles at people instead of snowballs.

sartorii
Genco
Posted - 2007.01.31 10:32:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dark Flare
Originally by: Anderson
Corpse launchers FTFW Twisted Evil


Laughing

That would be ace.


Corpse Harvesters would be better it would make more pirates pod kill instead of saying no I don't want a big ol sec hit Wink


i want corpses to be tractorable.. so you can 'parade' the enemies corpse behind you as you camp them in their NPC stations..Very Happy

sartorii
Genco
Posted - 2007.01.31 10:37:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Renshu
I also think this was lame of CCP and hope those responsible for how this was handled get a good kicking.

I can easily accept CCP removing them from the game, but CCP deliberately chose not to give warning of this change in the patch notes. Why ? If they had, players would have had fun in having a final snowball fight to give snowballs a good send off. CCP seems to have chosen to amuse themselves at the expense of players rather than amuse the players ?



/signed..

removal? fine, but some warning SHOULD have been given so we could have at least emptied our stocks prior to CCP ruining the plush carpet in the Corp hanger....Sad

Skyraker7
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.31 10:48:00 - [102]
 

I still have my snowballs and launcher from the christmas before, they work fine and do not and have not made the aggressor flash red for about 12 months now....

wtf are you lot on about?



Cagot
Spelunkers
Posted - 2007.01.31 11:17:00 - [103]
 

Now that the snowballs have melted, how about following through on the promise of the description of the launcher: that it appears a great quantity of minerals have gone into making it.

Let us recycle the buggers... that's why I was stockpiling them in the first place.

To whoever bid 2 million on my snowballs+launcher auction yesterday before they melted: I'll return your isk after the auction closes.

Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
Amarr Will Eat Itself
Posted - 2007.01.31 11:38:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Lord Darkness
So rather than fix what is causing the problem you just remove them all together. That's not very good software practice, what next? Are you going to remove drones because they cause problems rather than fix them?


Actually, it not that bad. Back when I played UO, OSI would release items in patches, but years later, due to their own incompetence they add patches that allow those items to be used in exploiting. Rather than remove them, or try to fix their code, they make a news item saying they will BAN anyone caught with them in their inventory, using them, removing them from their bank, etc. The ironic thing is, you could be removing it from your bank, calling a GM to destroy it, and knowing the GMs from that game, they'd ban you anyway Razz

Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Posted - 2007.01.31 11:54:00 - [105]
 

Just another slap in the face from CCP. "Waaaaa I was stupid and shot at the guy that hit me with a snow ball". Bad enough you re-gifted from 2005, but to take away or collectors items?

How about this? Fix the damn game before you take the fun out of it???

And what the hell, I read the patch notes....and I loged on yesterday....I did'nt see 35.5Mb of client change.

REMOVE MISSIONS!




Atreides Horza
Caldari
Malum.
Posted - 2007.01.31 12:26:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Atreides Horza on 31/01/2007 12:34:29
Originally by: Jiekon
you missed the real reason we removed them : Because some people were using them to lure others into thinking they were being fired upon at which point, when those people who got "snowballed" returned fire, they got concorded.

Corpses do not cause this to happen.


You, on the other hand, missed the point that has upset a fair few EVE players including myself. Some of us paid good money for launchers and snowballs alike in the hopes that it would one day become collector's items... 20 millions may not seem much to you, but it is a great deal to me - even if my fortune is in the three-digit millions.

So what's gonna be next? Will any of the other stuff I bought be gone some day without notice or compensation?

I appreciate your concerns with the whole baiting issue, but with all due respect, the dev team should have thought of that when introducing this item - or they should've done so for a limited period of time only.

Don't forget that ISK = money = time for a lot of players... and the way I see it, CCP just deprived my character of attained assets that represent value. It is, in my opinion, no different than had you cancelled 3 days of providing service on my monthly subscription.

In conclusion: Will it be possible to petition for compensation? OR should we check our hangars daily in the future to see what disappears next?

... and as for the fanboys inhere laughing this up as a trivial matter. Don't, ok? You are showing disrespect to players whose money has been spent on these items... and that money represents work. Who knows? Some day, it will be something that you have invested time, money and effort into that is erased from the game without notice.

Jezziika
Atropos Asylum
Posted - 2007.01.31 12:43:00 - [107]
 

I kept my Snowballs in the same Can as my BPCs...
Now they've melted, the BPs are all stuck together, like Kleenex Tissues in a Boys' Dorm. ugh

Atreides Horza
Caldari
Malum.
Posted - 2007.01.31 12:47:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Jezziika
I kept my Snowballs in the same Can as my BPCs...
Now they've melted, the BPs are all stuck together, like Kleenex Tissues in a Boys' Dorm. ugh


Shocked

Suliban Silk
Minmatar
Evecorp 23946
Posted - 2007.01.31 12:49:00 - [109]
 

WTS - Melted Snowballs

Thews Mortaza
Minmatar
Xila Inferno Production
Posted - 2007.01.31 12:58:00 - [110]
 

Poor CCP. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Damned if you respond to it. Damned if you don't, (Yet again ... well I'll be double damned!).

Quote:
Some of us paid good money for launchers and snowballs alike in the hopes that it would one day become collector's items


Some of us pay good ISK for shares in EVE corporations thinking they'll be worth something, too. Unfortunately they too can also "melt" ...

- and probably more frequently, too. Wink

Oh, and you know, some of us never got to play with the precious, game-making-or-breaking snow balls! My only contact was when my main account joined last year and early on I bought a launcher and 100 snow balls, then sold them for twice as much again about a week later. Am I going to quit EVE, or buzz about it like an angry mosquito because CCP ripped away this single instance of content/experiance/profit/pleasure from my naked, beating EVE-gamer heart?

No, I'm not. I wonder why. Rolling Eyes

Atreides Horza
Caldari
Malum.
Posted - 2007.01.31 13:09:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Atreides Horza on 31/01/2007 13:15:53
Edited by: Atreides Horza on 31/01/2007 13:06:47
Originally by: Thews Mortaza
Poor CCP. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Damned if you respond to it. Damned if you don't, (Yet again ... well I'll be double damned!).

Quote:
Some of us paid good money for launchers and snowballs alike in the hopes that it would one day become collector's items


Some of us pay good ISK for shares in EVE corporations thinking they'll be worth something, too. Unfortunately they too can also "melt" ...

- and probably more frequently, too. Wink

Oh, and you know, some of us never got to play with the precious, game-making-or-breaking snow balls! My only contact was when my main account joined last year and early on I bought a launcher and 100 snow balls, then sold them for twice as much again about a week later. Am I going to quit EVE, or buzz about it like an angry mosquito because CCP ripped away this single instance of content/experiance/profit/pleasure from my naked, beating EVE-gamer heart?

No, I'm not. I wonder why. Rolling Eyes



Nobody is talking about quitting Eve.

I'm talking about the problems concerned with deleting items without at least notifying the community. I'm sure you would be crying your eyes out if something that represented hard work to you was deleted.

Please try and accept the fact that people do different things in Eve and earn money in different ways... Your way isn't in any way better or more legitimate than mine, in spite what you may be inclined to think. And don't make this out to be a case of 'devaluation' as would be the case with corp stocks.

Your corp stocks don't disappear all of the sudden because someone at CCP deems them unecessary and unapplicable. If my snowballs went down to 10 isk overnight, I'd accept that as a loss and a foolish investment. They didn't. They disappeared overnight. This is NOT a case of a mod going from 60m to 10m... This is a case of someone deleting stuff I bought and paid for without my consent - and that, my good man, SUX THE BIG ONE!!!

In another thread, some guy lost 100m + when CCP - apparently unannounced - changed the material costs for building probes. The materials he used are gone and the products he produced are worth a fraction of what they were at the time of production...

You don't find that worrying at all, Mister Stockguy? Or does it have to be your corp shares taking the hit due to some failed production scheme due to unannounced patching?

CCP, shape up! Your efforts are well appreciated - and I will continue to be an avid fan and customer. But you NEED to keep the commuity informed when making changes like these.





Skyraker7
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.31 13:50:00 - [112]
 

Why haven't mine melted then?


darklegionca
Caldari
Dark Deliverance Holdings
Posted - 2007.01.31 13:52:00 - [113]
 

Wow you give everyone an xmas present and then 2 years later you take it away from them thats lame ccp really lame

Aqautica
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.31 14:21:00 - [114]
 

This is my first whine post..\o/.

I agree with the comments about CCP not notifying peeps re the snowball "melt-down" situation, being premature. This could have been in the notes and allowed all of us who had them to have one last party.

That is probably the most lame reason I have seen from CCP. Has been because of lag, well then..that might have been...ok.

Not a big deal in the scale of things but rather an annoying side issue.

Oh well farewell to my balls and anyone want a dodgy launcher, only 1 owner..."relic of a bygone era"..poa. Laughing

Aq

Nidda Coldbrew
Posted - 2007.01.31 15:05:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Cagot
Now that the snowballs have melted, how about following through on the promise of the description of the launcher: that it appears a great quantity of minerals have gone into making it.

Let us recycle the buggers...


Making them recycleable would go a long way toward fixing the (cough) way they handled this.

Zurtur
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.31 15:18:00 - [116]
 

It's not that they were removed, what I dont agree with is that CCP didnt tell us that it's going to happen. I mean sure, they were causing problems, but LET US KNOW, would be soooo much fun, as others said, to have one last snowfight :(

Z

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
Posted - 2007.01.31 18:32:00 - [117]
 

Mmmm corpses'

Prydeless
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.31 18:37:00 - [118]
 

Wow look at all the babies crying because there snow melted. get over it! The Dark Prophet has spoken.Shocked

D'an Y'eal
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.01.31 18:58:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
(snip)
And if your reeeeeeeetarded enough to pay silly amounts for the snowballs then ROFL!!!!11one to you. Your stupid stupid STUPID *bashes head on keyboard* fault!


But if you are reeeeeeeetarded enough to get killed and by an asshat using a snowball that makes you a genius?

How about I want my snowballs because they are mine and I acquired them in-game. This sets a dangerous precedent for a game company. I can add this to the list: handing out new game breaking new tech to some random person (aka miner2 fiasco), giving useable in-game awards for out of game reasons, stealth removal of game goods.

All I can say is if I wake up one day and my bone splinter and fullerine are gone I'll be saving quite a few bucks each month from that point forward.

Menod Penter
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.02.01 01:20:00 - [120]
 

CCP has handled this whole situation very poorly.

Notice the way the Devs and CCP just want this issue to fade away now. Yesterday Jiekon said his "peace", and today the issue is no longer worth a single comment. It's bad enough they removed an item because it caused a few players to whine about losing a ship, But now they think they can just sweep the issue aside and continue on like no one was hurt by their decision to remove these items.

If you really feel the need for removal of an item then fine, it's your game, do as you see fit. But you just can't remove things that people worked for, and have paid for, and have collected, which had value. It's simple, if you remove the item(s) then COMPENSATE the player base for the removed items at a fair and just market value.

Why should anyone lose 1 ISK because a legitimate item was removed from their belongings for what ever reason. I know I had a collection of launchers and snowballs that were worth hundreds of millions of ISK at fair market value, and I'm sure that others had similar collections. Is the ISK I invested in these items any less important then the ISK that those poor people that lost ships because they had Snowballs shot at them?

CCP, stand up and grow a pair of 'roids and admit this was handled poorly. Compensate us for the loss and correct the wrong into a right !

Menod Penter - Still a Very Unhappy Mayor of Rens



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