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CCP Abraxas

Posted - 2007.01.29 20:02:00 - [1]
 

Today's piece is called "Methods of Torture - The Gallente". As I mentioned in an earlier thread, this is a bleak and ugly story. Of the four torture stories, this one comes closest to describing what real torture is all about: Not extracting information, but simply breaking someone down. Also, as with the other stories, this one is critical of its Empire. The Amarr story showed (in a light-hearted way) how a rigid, religious society produces a mad framework of freakish torture, and the Minmatar story asked what its revenge-bent society did to the people caught up in its hatred. This story poses the question, well, if you have a society where everything is permitted and where physical gratification comes first, what happens when its darker elements take those conditions to heart?

Callistus
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.29 20:06:00 - [2]
 

Awesome.

Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.29 20:14:00 - [3]
 

ShockedNeutralCrying or Very sad

You disturb me... in good ways! \o/

Terth Sivo
East Khanid Trading
Posted - 2007.01.29 20:27:00 - [4]
 

No words Shocked

Aduna
Empire Market Corporation
Eve Trade Union
Posted - 2007.01.29 20:30:00 - [5]
 

Shocked

and Shocked

Abraxas, good stuff man. If the Gallente and Caldari are suppose to be like this, I REALLY can't wait for the Caldari one (knowing it's going to be psychological).

Louis DelaBlanche
An Outlying Variable
Posted - 2007.01.29 21:17:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 30/01/2007 01:12:05

...I cant say that that was as good as the other 2. Of all of them, this frankly seemed to have the most gratuitous violence & lack of substance. The torture was needlessly crude in its application & tbh parts of it read like exerts from 120 Days of Sodom. The torture itself could send no message to its intended targets as Sebastian is long dead by the time hes found, meaning it only serves for the self gratification of those applying it. I just dont see this as sitting with my ideas of how Gallente would go about their business of torture.

Having said that, I see you were trying to make the point that the Gallente ideals of self satisfaction can have a very dark as well as good side. & although in that respect it was effective I just didnt like it.

& Although u say ur trying to make each story critical of its empire, frankly I think this is the only one that is. The Amarr one seemed stoic & methodical, totally in line with their Empires ideals & style. The Minmatar one, far from questioning what a revenge-bent society does to its victims, Instead seemed to show what their torturers do as a necessary evil. This Gallente one suggests that its applicators take their methods to the extreme of self satisfaction like everything else in their society (a view which, to be frank, only seems to be held by Amarrian Roleplayers).

Simularly, this one stands out in that its not clear that its "state sponsored" torture thats being applied. For all that is said those involved could be official "secret police" sorts. They could be renegade cops, they could even be other criminals. Theres nothing to justify applying "The gallente" title label to this in the same way there was for the other two.

In short, its an okay story on its own. But i just dont think it sits well with the previous 2 installments, & takes the depraved violence you seem such a fan of (not meant as a personal stab but its hard to deny theres alot of grusome references to violence in these stories) to a level innapropriate for its context & unnecessary to get the message across.

I just hope the Caldari one doesnt take the Physical sadism further, & i can only hope it involes something a little less crude then brute physical violence...I am looking forward to it though Very Happy

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2007.01.29 21:21:00 - [7]
 

Oh... My... Word...
I LOVE IT!
That has got to be..it's just so... DAMN MAN!
*Laughs*
That's just wonderful ^^

Eewec Ourbyni
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.30 00:12:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Eewec Ourbyni on 30/01/2007 00:42:56
Hmmm.

No.

Out of the many things that the Gallente would do.... no. It's brutal, but it was a message to druggies and thieves, and a message you want to be lasting to that ilk needs a certain brutality. For gallente it was too.... matter of fact. Clinical. Cold. The Gallentians would be torturing for the joy of it, for the sheer hell of causing pain to someone else. For their own gratification. Because they enjoy the giving of pain to another or enjoy the screams it produces. Torture not to make a point, not because your sending a message, but for the simple fact that you can. The closest I can think of would be the originator of sadism, the Marquis de Sade. The freedom of Gallente society twisted.

Now had this story been about the Caldari.... yes, cold, calculating, a job that needs doing and someone who knows how to do it well or is 'gifted' with a talent for it, or is just plain barking. Yes, of the Caldari I would fully expect this sort of story for we are methodical, calculating, not necessarily cold, but we can be.

This wasn't torture, this was a message, although a distinctly unpleasant one for the one delivering it.

The second story of the three we've had so far is definatley my favourite yet.

Here's my synopsis for a story set in gallente culture:

A private club, somewhere in the more afluent parts of a Gallente world. Someone, anyone, has been caught by the employees of the club. Doesn't have to be anyone in particular, could simply be someone who walked past the club earlier (though maybe someone might be caught to order). They are now the evenings "Entertainment" though they don't know it yet. The patrons of the club either have their own personal "entertainments" or they might join a gathering to participate in a group activity, each bringing with them their own unique depravities to the occasion. The "Entertainment" doesn't have a choice, doesn't have any way out. They are there for the duration. The occasion ends when the patrons get bored with that one, though they may be kept for later, sometimes weeks later until such time that none of the patrons enjoy their company any longer and they are left to die. That's assuming that they are actually dieing and aren't simply maimed, in which case they may live for as long as they wish to remain alive after they've been dumped... somewhere where no word may get back about the club's existance.

But that's just my take on the flip side of Gallente society.

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.30 01:15:00 - [9]
 

That was freaky... Im almost ashamed to be gallente. Almost.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.01.30 01:38:00 - [10]
 

HOLY SH-Shocked



Shocked

Reto
The Last Resort
Posted - 2007.01.30 02:02:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Reto on 30/01/2007 02:07:06
Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 30/01/2007 01:12:05

<<<<<<<<<<<shortened for more writing space>>>>>>>>>>>

I just hope the Caldari one doesnt take the Physical sadism further, & i can only hope it involes something a little less crude then brute physical violence...I am looking forward to it though Very Happy


m8 i think that this story doesnt actually throws a light on the galltente way of torture in temrs of "how the gallente secret service/or the gallente government" deals with criminlas or spies. imo this story outlines a completely other scenario here.

in a state where liberalism is rule there is a lot more freedom for things going totally wrong. for example i believe that the story characterizes a scene where some mobsters or mafiosi capture a small dealer to make an example for the other small druggies in the streets of a big gallente "chicago"-like city in order to have their business undisturbed. i think that the gallente scociety is like this totally horrible movie musical with richard gere called "chicago" where bureaucracy, crime, lobbying and corruption goes hand in hand.

another point could be to portrait the gallente scociety's inability to deal with big domestic problems like drug abuse and crime in general due to the gallente democratic way of life. we saw that the amarr have a strictly professional torutre methods, i doubt amarr doctrine alows something else here. we saw that the minies are totaly against the violation of personal freedom like torture and therefore need to justify this method for themselves with hatred towards their opressors before starting the business. and here we see the portrait of the gallente state. its independent and simply doesnt care what happens in the streets where the people often left on their one resulting in such abominations of brutallity. imo that fits here pretty well and throws some bad light on the self-declared knights of liberalism.

i for my part think that the caldari will be charackterized a completely other way than the 3 before. the caldari state is about total control and the law of capitalism.
the life of a human being doesnt count there a lot if it comes to the security of the state, its business and its inhabitans (which are a rescource aswell).
imo this will be look like either a medievil execution to show the citizens of the state that violation of the law is to be punished with utmost force. or the story will be like something "judge dredd"-like where law is executed without any unneccesary loop ways directly in the streets.

when i first read the methiods of torture series i didnt quite understand why we get to read this nonsense but later it came to me that the ways ppl act towards the human rights and the personal freedom tells a lot about the mentalty of the different people in a society. in this case the scociety is portrayed by the ways of violation of this personal rights and shows the dark side of eve.

the eve universe is hard, dark and unforgiving. even those who want to excel here like the liberalist gallente have some skeletons in the closet.

Louis DelaBlanche
An Outlying Variable
Posted - 2007.01.30 02:19:00 - [12]
 

My point is though that this doesnt fit in with the previous two methods of torture focus on state sponsored systems of torture. Instead it could as easily be about how thugs enforce their own rules as how the Federation keeps the peace. i Personally just dont think, however good this story is on its own, that it fits in with the style of the previous two. Its not "The Gallente" in the same way the previous were "The Amarr" & "The Minmatar".

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.01.30 02:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Reto
Edited by: Reto on 30/01/2007 02:07:06
Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 30/01/2007 01:12:05

<<<<<<<<<<<shortened for more writing space>>>>>>>>>>>

I just hope the Caldari one doesnt take the Physical sadism further, & i can only hope it involes something a little less crude then brute physical violence...I am looking forward to it though Very Happy


m8 i think that this story doesnt actually throws a light on the galltente way of torture in temrs of "how the gallente secret service/or the gallente government" deals with criminlas or spies. imo this story outlines a completely other scenario here.

in a state where liberalism is rule there is a lot more freedom for things going totally wrong. for example i believe that the story characterizes a scene where some mobsters or mafiosi capture a small dealer to make an example for the other small druggies in the streets of a big gallente "chicago"-like city in order to have their business undisturbed. i think that the gallente scociety is like this totally horrible movie musical with richard gere called "chicago" where bureaucracy, crime, lobbying and corruption goes hand in hand.

another point could be to portrait the gallente scociety's inability to deal with big domestic problems like drug abuse and crime in general due to the gallente democratic way of life. we saw that the amarr have a strictly professional torutre methods, i doubt amarr doctrine alows something else here. we saw that the minies are totaly against the violation of personal freedom like torture and therefore need to justify this method for themselves with hatred towards their opressors before starting the business. and here we see the portrait of the gallente state. its independent and simply doesnt care what happens in the streets where the people often left on their one resulting in such abominations of brutallity. imo that fits here pretty well and throws some bad light on the self-declared knights of liberalism.

i for my part think that the caldari will be charackterized a completely other way than the 3 before. the caldari state is about total control and the law of capitalism.
the life of a human being doesnt count there a lot if it comes to the security of the state, its business and its inhabitans (which are a rescource aswell).
imo this will be look like either a medievil execution to show the citizens of the state that violation of the law is to be punished with utmost force. or the story will be like something "judge dredd"-like where law is executed without any unneccesary loop ways directly in the streets.

when i first read the methiods of torture series i didnt quite understand why we get to read this nonsense but later it came to me that the ways ppl act towards the human rights and the personal freedom tells a lot about the mentalty of the different people in a society. in this case the scociety is portrayed by the ways of violation of this personal rights and shows the dark side of eve.

the eve universe is hard, dark and unforgiving. even those who want to excel here like the liberalist gallente have some skeletons in the closet.



so, you mean that absolute freedom creates absolute brutality?

I agree with it, and if we think about it, it portraits humanity pretty well.

Bottom line is that, the more freedom you give, the more rutheless people will be, because there will be more of a leeway for such people.

Not saying that freedom should be taken away, but one must find that soft spot between the absolute freedom and absolute control, since us humans will always require such thing. The trick is to control and not be noticed.

This opinion might look kind of barbaric and stuff, but if you look carefully, such control has been used for as long as humanity can remember.
Such control is called "society".

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.30 03:37:00 - [14]
 

Woah...

Abraxas, you weren't kidding when you said this one would take more of an "I can't believe he just did that" angle. I'm actually glad you stopped describing things in any real detail towards the end there.

It makes sense, though. The Gallente are nothing if not diverse, and for all the high-visibility regal upper-society intaki fashion victims, there's always going to be some scummy psychopath scrambling about the bowels of society who can only get it up if he's killing somebody as slowly and painfully as possible.... and worse, somebody like Mr. Carlos who is quite happy to make use of his "skills" to help him get ahead in life.

Excellent stuff. Don't delay too long on the Caldari chronicle, eh?

Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.30 05:51:00 - [15]
 

This one kind of made me go Shocked, but in a good way. Keep it up, I can't wait for the Caldari one!


rodgerd
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.01.30 08:38:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Eewec Ourbyni
Edited by: Eewec Ourbyni on 30/01/2007 00:42:56
The Gallentians would be torturing for the joy of it, for the sheer hell of causing pain to someone else. For their own gratification. Because they enjoy the giving of pain to another or enjoy the screams it produces. Torture not to make a point, not because your sending a message, but for the simple fact that you can. The closest I can think of would be the originator of sadism, the Marquis de Sade. The freedom of Gallente society twisted.



On the contrary, the Gallente would tourture people for their own good, just like the Amarr. A regrettable necessity, to be sure, but freedom has it's price. There are enemies of freedom, who hate the Gallente for that freedom, and if a few vile acts here and there are necessary, well, so be it.

Eewec Ourbyni
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.30 09:04:00 - [17]
 

OK, I gave it a bit more thought and my idea for a story earlier, though fitting the theme of torture, doesn't fit with the theme of state sponsored torture.

So without further ado, another synopsis for a different story (I can come up with these at the drop of a hat, it's writing the story in full I have problems with):

Picture a round dark room, in the centre of which sits a table. At one end of the table is a sink with soap etc. underneath the table are draws and cupboards. The table itself has a drain at the base (the end with the sink attached) and high edges and is slightly sloped to allow good drainage and a good view of the proceedings. There is a hose with trigger attachement for, among other things, spraying the table down. All in all it looks rather like a morgues examination table, only it's been arranged so that nothing obstructs the view from the sides of the room. Above the table is a bright operating room light but high enough to not block the view from the balcony ringing the room.

Round the sides of the room are open fronted cubicles, more of which are located on the balcony. In each of these is a bed, and though you can't see them (with the naked eye) due to the darkness there is also a 'guest'. At the back of each cubicle is a slot that food and other requirements are past through.

Each Guest wears a collar which among other things prevents speach unless it's been allowed. The collar also prevents any guest leaving their cubicle unless so ordered. Not with pain or death or any such thing, it just stops them at the threshhold unable to go further, as do two anklets and a pair of bracelets (to prevent people running at the threshold and killing themselves with momentum). The centre of the room and it's table rotates slowly under it's light so everyone gets a good view. Not watching is not an option unless you want to be the next guest to visit the table.

In a society where freedom is everything, how would you feel about not only having that freedom removed, but also be forced to not just watch, or have it done to you, but to be on a rota to be the one doing it (and doing it well unless you want to be the 'overtime' for someone else to earn some bonus points for those nicities like medical treatments). Of course, killing someone on the table would not be good.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.01.30 11:29:00 - [18]
 

Kinda boring TBH. Here's why:

At the end I didn't care about the characters. Just came off as a random snippet of violence, not a window into the Gallente designs for torture. The scene could have been branded to any of the four races or any of the other factions in Eve for that matter because it's so generic.

The Amarr and Minmatar stories were more successful in my opinion because the atmosphere and characters were a little more specific. With this story, it's just too vague and bland.

Reto
The Last Resort
Posted - 2007.01.30 15:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
My point is though that this doesnt fit in with the previous two methods of torture focus on state sponsored systems of torture. Instead it could as easily be about how thugs enforce their own rules as how the Federation keeps the peace. i Personally just dont think, however good this story is on its own, that it fits in with the style of the previous two. Its not "The Gallente" in the same way the previous were "The Amarr" & "The Minmatar".


i dont argue with u about this one m8. u are right. the gallente one is a totally other view if u compare em to the amarr and minmatar. it doesnt actually fit in the scheme of authority's ideology discription of the two previous. but it rather opens a sight on the core of the gallente society than the gallente authority's way of dealing with things.

however i think its pretty hard to write one about the state sponsored ways of torture since i doubt that gallente liberalism allows the use of such methods which cant be openly represented by the authorities due to their much valued ideals of freedom.
i think this shortstory is a way around this problematic and therefore aims not at the top of the society but rather at the buttom.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.01.30 16:45:00 - [20]
 

"My point is though that this doesnt fit in with the previous two methods of torture focus on state sponsored systems of torture. Instead it could as easily be about how thugs enforce their own rules as how the Federation keeps the peace."

It's a glimpse into psyche of the given society, just like the other two installments... so yes, it could just as well be thugs as it could be 'federation sponsored' activity, because both are likely to operate on the same paradigm -- like Abraxax mentioned in the earlier thread, Gallente are very open towards human physiology in all its aspect... so it's natural for them to focus on the 'meat' of the matter, so to speak :s

It was interesting piece, even if possibly uncomfortable for these Gallente players that were so far eager to ride the high horse of democracy, individual freedom and whatnot ;s

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.01.30 16:56:00 - [21]
 

"Just came off as a random snippet of violence, not a window into the Gallente designs for torture. The scene could have been branded to any of the four races or any of the other factions in Eve for that matter because it's so generic."

The thing is, this is 'window into Gallente designs' -- the raw violence is the focus simply because no other of the four takes it to this particular, physical extreme. In this sense it's not generic but to the contrary, it shows the aspects that are specific to the Gallente, things they have no problems with while other races limit themselves in this particular area in comparison, and tend to focus on other aspects and methods.

Amarr turn it into refined games, Minmatar do it more out of perceived necessity and try to keep the suffering of their victims as little and as short as it's necessary to achieve the goal. Gallente want their targets *feel* the pain and they work on it to the best of their vast --and likely unmatched-- experience.

or something :s

Thaneal Swiftbird
Posted - 2007.01.30 17:16:00 - [22]
 

"If you do not know how to make up a smart story, just put in splatter instead. Lots of blood and everything will be fine." Thats the guideline many beginning sci-fi authors tend to follow. And it has never been a good one.

The "new" backstories can not hold out against the quality of the former ones. They have nearly no content, and 90% are just filled with senseless brutality. Anything not pure splatter seems ripped off others (like some characters and part of the plot in "Methods of torture: The Amarr") or is plain boring (like "The history of flight").

I have been patiently waiting for them to get better, but without luck. Quite on the contrary...

Truth has to be told, sorry. I neither like them, nor do they seem to be enjoyable. And with the lately discussed regulations on depicting violent scenes, they might as well become bannable. They would get a +18 rating in Germany and Austria right now, so you better keep silent about them, if you do not want eve to be put on the index - practically leading to a ban on all advertising.

Things are heating up around here, there are a lot of discussions about brutality in media and games. Senseless splatter as a "background" to an otherwise brilliant game does not help.

Just my personal point of view though.

With best regards

Thaneal Swiftbird

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.01.30 17:33:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Thaneal Swiftbird
or is plain boring (like "The history of flight").


I found out "The history of flight" pretty much heart warming.


also I don't think that they are filled with "senseless" brutality.

imho Abraxas, tru his chronicles, wants to give a no-frills feeling about the EVE universe: A universe where in the end, when everything is stripped down to their basics, it all comes down to the survival of the fittest.

You might see it as senseless brutality, but I see it as a universe where everyone tries to survive using whatever tools they have at their disposal, and where there is little regard to any kind of social codes or morality.

It's a dog eat dog world, and if one needs to taint himself to survive, so be it, whether you are a decadent Amarr holder, a passionate Minmatar freedom fighter, an obnoxious Gallente holoreel star, or a cold-blooded caldari mercenary.

They are all human in the end, and history itself has proven that we can do the greater good or the greater evil.

Se'la Rox
Caldari
Lensmen
Posted - 2007.01.30 18:23:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
I found out "The history of flight" pretty much heart warming.


So did I, but I do kinda see what people are saying. A lot of the recent chronicles seem to have very little to do with the direct background of the universe, and are simply stories set within that universe. Not that that's a bad thing at all, it's just that I think that a lot of people would prefer to see some more direct background. Having said that, the recent stories have highlighted a lot of the differences between the empires, which is never a bad thing.

Abraxas is a great writer, so I think he can't really fail if he puts his mind towards a few more "background" slated stories.

Callistus
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.30 18:40:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: j0sephine

It was interesting piece, even if possibly uncomfortable for these Gallente players that were so far eager to ride the high horse of democracy, individual freedom and whatnot ;s

And therefore all the more interesting for those of us wishing to explore the darker side of the Gallente psyche.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.01.30 22:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: j0sephine
"Just came off as a random snippet of violence, not a window into the Gallente designs for torture. The scene could have been branded to any of the four races or any of the other factions in Eve for that matter because it's so generic."

The thing is, this is 'window into Gallente designs' -- the raw violence is the focus simply because no other of the four takes it to this particular, physical extreme. In this sense it's not generic but to the contrary, it shows the aspects that are specific to the Gallente, things they have no problems with while other races limit themselves in this particular area in comparison, and tend to focus on other aspects and methods.

Amarr turn it into refined games, Minmatar do it more out of perceived necessity and try to keep the suffering of their victims as little and as short as it's necessary to achieve the goal. Gallente want their targets *feel* the pain and they work on it to the best of their vast --and likely unmatched-- experience.

or something :s


To reply to both your replies-

My main point is that the story didn't provide enough explicit information to define that the captors are gallente, and specifically the gallente government. It might have well been a scene Involving the Serpentis or Guristas or Angels whatever.

There isn't enough work done on setting the place and environment and enough information on the captors (even if they are to remain anonymous). The captors are just too generic, as is the violence. Even the depiction of the graphic violence is only so-so. IMO it just never communicated the horror of what was going on there in a convincing way. It felt rushed.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.01.30 23:22:00 - [27]
 

The art for the story: gallente methods of torture Wayne Barlow: Damnation.

Too similar?

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.31 02:44:00 - [28]
 

Unlike the other three races, the Gallente lack any real unification of philosophy - their sole philosophy is to allow people to be how they themselves want to be. As such, it is impossible for the Federation as a whole to conform to a single precise model of behaviour - opinion, fashion and setting play far too prominent a role. Whereas the Amarr, Caldari and Minmatar are largely characterized by an overarching philosophy and way of doing things, the same cannot be said to be true of the Gallente. Besides, I doubt that they WOULD practice state-approved torture. It would seem to go against the grain - a democratic government cannot be seen to be inhumane by its citizenry.

With that taken into consideration, one realises that writing something to chronicle the typical methods of torture employed by the Gallente would be impossible... instead it is necessary to find that faction within Gallente society that would resort to torture - in their case, the sadistic extremes of the criminal underbelly. Maybe these guys have ties to the Serpentis or something.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.01.31 03:03:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: j0sephine on 31/01/2007 03:00:26

"My main point is that the story didn't provide enough explicit information to define that the captors are gallente, and specifically the gallente government. It might have well been a scene Involving the Serpentis or Guristas or Angels whatever."

Aaah okay, i didn't originally get what you meant, then ^^; you're right, aside from the title there's no pieces in the story itself that would identify the people involved as Gallente, nevermind their possible allegiance... that's a fair point ^^

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2007.01.31 03:27:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: CCP Abraxas
This story poses the question, well, if you have a society where everything is permitted and where physical gratification comes first, what happens when its darker elements take those conditions to heart?


The above concept was definitely the perfect way to approach the Gallente here. Reminds me of a line in Sagan's 'Contact' in which the aliens, commenting on Human potential remarks "You're capable of such beautiful dreams, and such horrible nightmares." Similar concept, the higher you let yourself climb, the further you can expect to fall.

I also enjoyed how the torturers did it all.... just to make a statement (maybe a bit of personal satisfaction in there too). They could have just shot him in the face in the alley, it would have sufficed and still got the message across. But no...

I guess you could say the Gallente have a healthy concept of 'freedom of speech'. They needed nothing from that man but to use his body as a crude billboard to deter their adversaries. and they certainly were creative in their advertisement.Twisted Evil

ANOTHER 10/10 story!
Abraxas shoots, Abraxas scores!





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