open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked why??
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

bigred monkey
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:38:00 - [1]
 

bloody scammers!!!!! thast what!!!

i have just discovered that i stand to loose 180mil through bloody scammers and dodgy contracts,

now excuse me if i am wrong but i believe they got rid of escrow as it was plagued by scamers and they wanted to stop people getting ripped off? so how come they can now scam with contracts!!
i bid on 3 contracts for large amounts of minerals as i am trying to build a dread (takes a lot of isk to buy and isk is at a premium) now each of theese contrctas stated that they were for large amount so i bid.
won the first contract and then as i check asets find out i have 1 unit of the bloody stuff not the 95mil i thught i was buying!!

so i do what most do and send a petition to exploits and re-inbursements.........

what do i get back.............'its allowed in the game mechanics'

so note to all noobs dont bother mission running, mining, building. its more profitable to follow 'game mechanics' and scam the hell out of the hard working players and get all there isk!!!

now i can see whats going to happen next, i will get some mod pop up on here and give me a telling off or may even delete/block this post, or even worse i will get called stupid for trusting ccp's new contracts but the end matter is why should i continue playing when i face theese risks, i put up with server crashes, massive lag (think saila is worse than jita theese days) bugs and even an occasional ship loss (crashtodesktop bug)

so come on ccp tell me, 'why should i pay to play'
when its obvious its doesnt pay to play

Wizzkidy
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:40:00 - [2]
 

Of course it's allowed, you should read the WARNING message about accepting certain kinds of contracts

This is your own fault as it WARNS you.

no excuse now don't bother arguing please

kthxbye!

Waxau
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:41:00 - [3]
 

Gah - Time of the month.

Scammers is part of eve. If you dont watch what you're buying and what you're doing, you will get screwed over. That is eve, and thats why its full of more mature players, compared to WoW.


Either be thankful of havign the ability to be in this community, as to apposed to WoW, or go join WoW.

I personally am glad there are scammers in eve, otherwise we wouldnt have the diversity of the economy and environment we do today.

Dread Phantom
Caldari
End Game.
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:41:00 - [4]
 

Laughing

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:42:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: bigred monkey
bloody scammers!!!!! thast what!!!

i have just discovered that i stand to loose 180mil through bloody scammers and dodgy contracts,

now excuse me if i am wrong but i believe they got rid of escrow as it was plagued by scamers and they wanted to stop people getting ripped off? so how come they can now scam with contracts!!
i bid on 3 contracts for large amounts of minerals as i am trying to build a dread (takes a lot of isk to buy and isk is at a premium) now each of theese contrctas stated that they were for large amount so i bid.
won the first contract and then as i check asets find out i have 1 unit of the bloody stuff not the 95mil i thught i was buying!!

so i do what most do and send a petition to exploits and re-inbursements.........

what do i get back.............'its allowed in the game mechanics'

so note to all noobs dont bother mission running, mining, building. its more profitable to follow 'game mechanics' and scam the hell out of the hard working players and get all there isk!!!

now i can see whats going to happen next, i will get some mod pop up on here and give me a telling off or may even delete/block this post, or even worse i will get called stupid for trusting ccp's new contracts but the end matter is why should i continue playing when i face theese risks, i put up with server crashes, massive lag (think saila is worse than jita theese days) bugs and even an occasional ship loss (crashtodesktop bug)

so come on ccp tell me, 'why should i pay to play'
when its obvious its doesnt pay to play



Scamming is *part of* the play - just like blowing someone's ship up (and that can cost someone vastly more than 180M btw). In answer to your question: there's no reason at all why you shouldn't do the same. Good luck.

CCP makes the rules, but they don't enforce the laws. Instead, YOU get to do that.


Welcome to EVE!


PS Biggest EVE scam ever was IIRC 700 BILLION Isk. That was ruled game-legal too.

Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:43:00 - [6]
 

Well maybe you should have st****d on some miner II's and get some friends to help ya, and mined the bloody stuff yours self....Buying massive amounts of minerals from unknown parties, is just supporting the ISK sellers.

Better yet get a contract with a mining corp. I bet you can save some cash...




DarkFenix
Caldari
Lords 0f Ruin
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:43:00 - [7]
 

You weren't careful and now you're paying the price. If I convince someone to send me a billion isk as a loan, then I decide not to pay them back, I'm certainly within game mechanics. Sure, I deceived them, but I didn't exploit in any way.

Par'Gellen
Gallente
Neon Cranium
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:43:00 - [8]
 

Was it a Freeform contract? I was under the impression this is the only form of contract that they can scam with like this. Or maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time...

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:44:00 - [9]
 

Lol, bless freeform contracts.

Sorry about your loss, but you've got to keep your eyes open in EVE, especially when trading. With FF contracts, the little icon of what you're buying has the number of the item written on it, as with a stack of items in your hangar. As with items on your hangar, if there is only one item, no number appears- it assumes you realise that no numbers implies 1 item ("a monkey" = 1x monkey, there is no need to say "1x" before it, its implied).

Its not CCP's business to make sure you don't make mistakes. Part of EVE's charm is that anything goes................

As to "why should I pay to play?". Do you enjoy playing EVE? If yes, keep paying, keep playing. If no, play a different game that you will enjoy.

Ozzie Asrail
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:46:00 - [10]
 

na people just put up a contract for 1 zyd and put in the discription 100000x zyd. Then watch as people pay you good isk for almost nothing :)

bigred monkey
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:49:00 - [11]
 

i love playing eve, i have been playing a little under a year and have just made the step to running my corp.
the contract was an auction and not freeform and stated the 95mil units, i never normally buy mins through cntract but the amounts required to build a dread are huge!!! i am not stupid, have never been caught by gate campers with billions of isk of bpo's (previous corp ceo did) and i always used to check escrow deals in details.
as i said i believed they had removed this type of scam from game.

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:52:00 - [12]
 

First of all: Scamming is allowed!

Now when that is said, its pretty easy to see what is scam and not when it comes to Auction anyway. (Consider all freeforms to be scam)

A contract have two headers. The first header is the one the game itself makes depending on the item you select. Now, if it says like:

TRITANIUM
Tritanium x 1000000000

If the header looks like this its a scam. Yes, its tritanium which is for sale, but only one unit. The text "Tritanium x 100000000" is free text the seller adds! Now, how would a real header look:

TRITANIUM X 10000000000
Tritanium x 10000000000

The game will automatically add how many items there is in the stack in the main header. So if its only 1 unit in the stack it just says TRITANIUM, while if its more TRITANIUM X 100000000 (for example)

Morale: Never trust what people add in freetext. Always see in the main header how many units there is of the item.

Also You have the tools to see through the scams. Use it!

Also, petitioning it adds to the everincreasing queue of worthless posts that leads to nothing.


B1G DAVE
Veto.
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:55:00 - [13]
 

Then you beleived wrong.

Its not hard to put up 1 unit of w/e in an auction, about put 1000000x in the description. If you didnt check the order...thats your bad ;)

Wotar
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:57:00 - [14]
 

Come to the forums to learn before the event, and you won't have to come here to whine after it. Revelations has been deployed for several weeks now - how can people still be mugged by contracts?

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2007.01.29 13:57:00 - [15]
 


bigred monkey
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.29 14:02:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: bigred monkey on 29/01/2007 13:58:51
you know when you are in a bad mood it take a lot to put a smile back on your face but i gotta say........

that certificate is damn funny!!!

and just to clarify i am not upset about loosing money but that scammers can still operate in such a way.
guess next time i will buy straight from market, no contracts

Gayle Norre
Posted - 2007.01.29 14:47:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: bigred monkey
bloody scammers!!!!! thast what!!!

so note to all noobs dont bother mission running, mining, building. its more profitable to follow 'game mechanics' and scam the hell out of the hard working players and get all there isk!!!

---snip---

so come on ccp tell me, 'why should i pay to play'
when its obvious its doesnt pay to play




First, if you consider playing a game a job you should take a brake.

Second, you pay to play a game with open rules.
Tell us WHY it should not be allowed to scam ingame for ingame isk? You can do the same.

You LET that other guy take advantage of you. Pure and simple. Pay attention.

So cool down.


Fork Boy
Posted - 2007.01.29 15:12:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Patch86
"a monkey" = 1x monkey, there is no need to say "1x" before it, its implied.


The word "a" implies "one", but it doesn't say "a" or "an" anywhere does it?

It's complete stupidity on CCP's part that they replaced the escrow system with the new contracts system, and left this bug in place.

It's an absolutely ridiculous piece of design that allows the player to show a description of Trit x 1,000,000 or whatever, and the official game counter is tucked away and only shows the amount if it's greater than one.

I mean, come one, that's not logical, is it?

Unless of course CCP introduced that for the sole purpose of making scamming fairly easy. In fact it would actively involve extra code to not make it show "x1", so I wonder if it is by design.

Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.29 15:52:00 - [19]
 

It doesn't matter if it says "a Trit" or "Trit x 1" or "bogglebeepblorp Trit" you know that just the icon means there's 1 item in the contract. If you don't, you can find out rather easily.

The final confirmation window you get will even say the precious Trit x 1 on it I believe? But most people turn that off I guess or never read pop up warnings? Who knows.

Thing is, the knowledge of what just an icon means it out there, people just need to ask and THINK for themselves.

Shinji Seto
Minmatar
Xolti Research
Posted - 2007.01.29 16:11:00 - [20]
 

LooK ma! I'm in this weeks "I got scamed thread" wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee o/


Soon Tzu
Posted - 2007.01.29 17:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: bigred monkey
bloody scammers!!!!! thast what!!!

i have just discovered that i stand to loose 180mil through bloody scammers and dodgy contracts,

now excuse me if i am wrong but i believe they got rid of escrow as it was plagued by scamers and they wanted to stop people getting ripped off? so how come they can now scam with contracts!!
i bid on 3 contracts for large amounts of minerals as i am trying to build a dread (takes a lot of isk to buy and isk is at a premium) now each of theese contrctas stated that they were for large amount so i bid.
won the first contract and then as i check asets find out i have 1 unit of the bloody stuff not the 95mil i thught i was buying!!

so i do what most do and send a petition to exploits and re-inbursements.........

what do i get back.............'its allowed in the game mechanics'

so note to all noobs dont bother mission running, mining, building. its more profitable to follow 'game mechanics' and scam the hell out of the hard working players and get all there isk!!!

now i can see whats going to happen next, i will get some mod pop up on here and give me a telling off or may even delete/block this post, or even worse i will get called stupid for trusting ccp's new contracts but the end matter is why should i continue playing when i face theese risks, i put up with server crashes, massive lag (think saila is worse than jita theese days) bugs and even an occasional ship loss (crashtodesktop bug)

so come on ccp tell me, 'why should i pay to play'
when its obvious its doesnt pay to play



Scamming is *part of* the play - just like blowing someone's ship up (and that can cost someone vastly more than 180M btw). In answer to your question: there's no reason at all why you shouldn't do the same. Good luck.

CCP makes the rules, but they don't enforce the laws. Instead, YOU get to do that.


Welcome to EVE!


PS Biggest EVE scam ever was IIRC 700 BILLION Isk. That was ruled game-legal too.


didn't ccp give some 'special' players their isk back on that?


Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:04:00 - [22]
 

Score one for market pirates! CoolCool(This post gets double sunglasses)

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:07:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Par'Gellen
Was it a Freeform contract? I was under the impression this is the only form of contract that they can scam with like this. Or maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time...


It is simple from what I read.
Standard exchange contract or auction
write selling 95 million tritanium in description
put 1 unit of tritanium on sale
the system don't put numbers in his description as 1 item is supposed intuitive (good for 1 ship, less for 1 tritanium)
if you look the description you see 114 million unit of tritanium
offered item "Tritanum" with no further description.
First time you use the contract form you think the description is machine generate and voilą - scammed.






Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:11:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/01/2007 18:12:08
Try petition the seller for spamming the contracts.
Look how much fake contract he has open, as he is fouling the boards with them maybe you can get something with this system.

At least annoying him in return.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:11:00 - [25]
 

If your buying or selling minerals why not just use the market? Its infinitely safer as every region has hundreds of scam offers for minerals in the contract system.

Kehmor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:15:00 - [26]
 

welcome to eve.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kehmor
welcome to eve, we will be enjoying your hard earned isk


Fixed CoolCool

prsr
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:32:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: bigred monkey

now excuse me if i am wrong but i believe they got rid of escrow as it was plagued by scamers and they wanted to stop people getting ripped off?



Sigh... You're just making things up, no dev or news item ever stated that motivation for replacing escrow.

Quilan Ziller
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:38:00 - [29]
 

Now, let's take a look at the issue from somewhat different angle.

Why did you use the contracts instead of just buying these minerals on the market in the first place?

Let me guess. ZOMG, Zydrine x 99756 for ONLY 100 million ISK!!!!111one! I will be rich!

If something sounds too good to be true, it IS too good to be true. You got a bit greedy. You did not read the contract description carefully enough. You did not read the forums. You did not read the warning that you are given when you accept the contract. As a result, you have got scammed.

I don't do contract scams myself, but I know a person who does. He told me that his response rate is way lower than 1 out of 10 for weeklong scam auctions. That tells me that very, very few people do fall for this elementary scam.

I am sorry, but you get no sympathy or compassion from me. I think you should consider this to be a great learning experience and move on.

Quilan Ziller
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.01.29 19:44:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/01/2007 18:12:08
Try petition the seller for spamming the contracts.
Look how much fake contract he has open, as he is fouling the boards with them maybe you can get something with this system.

At least annoying him in return.



A first-class, brilliant, outstanding suggestion.

The only one person you will annoy this way is the GM (who will have to reply to this pointless petition instead of taking care of other people's legitimate claims).

For your future reference, the number of contracts one can set up is limited by Contracting skill. No single person can "spam" the contracts like it was possible with old Escrow.


Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only