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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:14:00 - [1]
 

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
No longer could he haul this was an outrage
Now he must live trapped in his lowsec cage

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
The Corp was ready to unviel their big plan
His corp was dissapointed to find they lost their inside man

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
No more income from missions in high sec
His PVP life has become a real wreck

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
The CEO of MegaMiners* found his corp was missing 50
He always suspected that his employees were acting a little shifty

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on to find his alt's account was gone
No longer was there a reason to wear a tinfoil hat
The $15 spies were knocked out of the park as tuxford hit a home run with his nerfbat

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
Gone were the days he could sit in the station playing the lottery
The pure industrialists rejoiced "Yippie!"

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
How would he check the gate traffic he wondered
Solo gate camping could now be quite dangerous he mumbled

Downtime has ended time to log on
He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone
X corp has left the alliance it seems what a shock
There was an alt corp leeching off of us no wonder they would never talk.

(half assed rhyming stops here)

Time passed and things changed new things started happening to the game.

Folinaz Greenier(fictional player) Started a mass transport corporation and was war dec'ed by many a greedy corp only to find out that his haulers weren't tards and had escorts.

Ted Stevens convinced the pirate corps to agree to have 1 safe haven where they could buy and sell their goods to one another across this vast series of tubes.

Agent Y formed a dedicated spynet and opened a mass information business of dedicated security infiltrators.

The Privateers lost 400 members that day.
Goonfleet lost 2000.

Mass chaos swept the forums but in the end every one realized it would be ok. And all was good

Please flame below the dotted line
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:31:00 - [2]
 

Single account and I do quite well for myself. Razz

Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:38:00 - [3]
 

I am SO confused. Wha?

Par'Gellen
Gallente
Neon Cranium
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:45:00 - [4]
 

Does anyone know what he's talking about?

Rustimon
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:47:00 - [5]
 

Single account.

Single Character.

Only have one mind with which to rule.

Danthomir
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:53:00 - [6]
 

One main account: 20 dollars/month.
Main account and an alt account: 40 dollars/month.
...
Main account and N alt accounts: 20*(n+1) dollars/month or in other words PROFIT!

So while the implications for gameplay would be fascinating, no, that's not gonna happen. Happily, it doesn't stop people from doing stuff - it's just that there may be an easier albeit less stylish/possibly more expensive way of doing it.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:55:00 - [7]
 

3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE.

Faith Black
Minmatar
Rolls Roids
Posted - 2007.01.28 05:06:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Faith Black on 28/01/2007 05:05:14
On a serious note, if I had only a pvp char left I'd take my corp mates and go pirating in low sec or gank haulers, miners and ratters in 0.0 to earn isk for the more risky pvp in bigger ships.
That's nothing new, several alliance corps do that already, because they only want to pvp. Others call it privateering. Cool

I enjoy other aspects of the game, too. Like producing or trying new things out like exploration.

Alski
Ministers Of Destruction.
Posted - 2007.01.28 05:13:00 - [9]
 

Nice Rhyme Smile

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.28 05:36:00 - [10]
 

limiting people to one account is impossible.

Professional Troll
Posted - 2007.01.28 05:37:00 - [11]
 

Unfortunately, I need this alt for important matters...

Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2007.01.28 05:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
limiting people to one account is impossible.


I'm not sure about that.

But if would be glorious..

-Scammers/thieves would have to face imprisonment in NPC corps or constant wardecs.
-Joe Alliance wouldnt have perfect intel about your pre-emptive strike due to alt spies.
-Recon ships wouldnt be in your system 23/7, as they would get bored.
-alliance/corps would have to move their stuff under their flag, or would have to hire a third party.
-Much less **** spamming trolls.

Hannibell
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.28 05:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE.


true perhaps before the last major Industry changes, but to keep a large Industrial operation running NOW you need Many Many Builders all working on a tight schedule. You can do this with multiple seperate players (hard to manage and control) or multiple accounts (easy to ensure everything stays on schedule

besides CCP ENCOURAGES multiple accounts.. more accounts=more profit.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.28 06:12:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE.


I consider multi character accounts alts as well Wink

*yes I have an alt but I will gladly let him wash away if they all vanished*

If this game is to truely by a player driven economy you must implement the limitations that come with being just one man.

Also I didn't make my little poem multi gender because there are no girls on the internet Wink

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.01.28 08:22:00 - [15]
 

The problem lies in the ability to weed out duplicates without denying accounts to others. Places that share IPs among employees or tenants such as apartment complexes, hotels, and workplaces make it impossible to play in those places or log on as you could be tagged the alt of someone else even if you're not.

Other MMOs try such measures and turn away as many real customers as supposed alts.

I don't see CCP be willing to do this. It would cost them to much revenue. I'd say at least a third of the current subscriptions are alt accounts, possibly even more than that.

Rabb Darktide
Independent Fleet
Dark Taboo
Posted - 2007.01.28 08:43:00 - [16]
 

Not to mention CCP would be liable for refunds of multiple accounts banned do to a policy change - ESPECIALLY since they actively encourage having more than one account.

Dukath
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.01.28 08:57:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Dukath on 28/01/2007 08:54:35
Removing alts is too late. Should have been single character per account from the start. However a lot of alt abuse can be removed easily.

Allow only 1 alt in space at a given time. The other characters must be docked or 'parked' inside a POS. It would still be possible to login on another character which is docked or parked, but that character would not be able to undock. Undocking is only possible if all other characters in the same account are docked or parked. (parking would need to be a new feature locking the ship to a POS) So trading, CEO management etc would be possible, but not undocking.

It would have no effect on legitimate alts, but it would severely affect alt scouts. They can't just logout in the middle of hostile space and go play another character when the alt is not needed.

Par'Gellen
Gallente
Neon Cranium
Posted - 2007.01.28 10:13:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Par''Gellen on 28/01/2007 10:10:23
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
limiting people to one account is impossible.
Limiting people to one account on the same computer at the same time is as easy as the client checking your process information at startup and killing itself if it's already running. Very easy to do and I do it in my apps just to keep people from launching more than one by accident then asking me for help about it Very Happy

Multiple computers would still be possible though of course or maybe an emulator like Virtual PC. Not that I'd support limiting people to only one account. I like my alt Laughing

Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
Posted - 2007.01.28 10:13:00 - [19]
 

It is an interesting theoretical debate. Personally I think having 3 alt characters to play with makes the game richer both for the individual and the game community at large, given you can only train/equip/on-line one character at a time.

However it always struck me as somehow “not quite right” that you can use multiple accounts to use and on-line more than one character at a time. In a way I admire peoples’ ability to control two or more ships at once; sometimes I think paying for two accounts is almost like buying isk to get an advantage over the guy using one account/ship (for instance you can mine and have a hauler on hand too so you can mine faster and not share with a buddy in a hauler, you can have a dedicated fast tackler ship to lock down prey for your dedicated attack ship, etc.)

Kanuo Ashkeron
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.01.28 10:15:00 - [20]
 

Every eve player has to buy an iris scanner, so that characters can be mapped to eyes and voila you only can have 1 alt anymore (main with the right eye, alt with the left Very Happy ).

Hopefully nobody comes up with bad ideas now.Twisted Evil

Kanuo

Za Po
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.28 10:20:00 - [21]
 

I really wish that one man only had one character. That's how I play, but God knows I am at a disadvantage compared to alt-users. Especially those that employ multiple accounts.

Unfortunately, it will never happen. There are multiple reasons, each of which would be enough by itself, for which removing alts will never happen.

1) Users of alts would complain to high heaven about the lost character, assets, skillpoints and everything. They'd be quite right too. If I had two characters on one account, it means that I have invested at least some time into the alt, time which I could have invested in the main. It's unfair to take that away from me.

2) Multiple accounts are impossible to detect in a verifiable fashion. What do you do - check the IP addresses? No, you can't, because the player can claim that they are two players behind a NAT router. Disallow paying more than one account with one CC? No, you can't, because the player can claim that he's paying for his little brother or something. Require some sort of unique data, such as the ID card number, SSN, or whatever? Players will complain about violation of privacy - and they'll just borrow numbers from friends anyway. No, there is simply no way to prevent players from using multiple accounts.

3) Economical reasons. Multiple accounts bring CCP money. Oh, removing alts would considerably improve the game, which in turn would bring some more players, but the overall net profit is probably markedly in favor of selling multiple accounts.

4) If CCP removed secondary characters while still allowing multiple accounts, which is the only solution that is technically possible, they would be flamed to hell by people who would claim that they did so in order to force every alt user to buy a second account. The obvious truth - that they did so because alts detract from the game - would fly over their heads.

HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Posted - 2007.01.28 11:12:00 - [22]
 

I have:

One char to rule them all Twisted Evil

One char to find them (with my intel agents)

One char to bring the noise

and in 0.0 pwn them!

down w/ the alts, up w/ 'real' chars

lusifar
Posted - 2007.01.28 11:36:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE.


i totally agree, its a bounch of profitable **** that ccp are so asstight that you can learn on more then one charecter for each account!
the fact that they incurage any kind of profitable non gamegiving play is really far out and will incurage ebayers, and other kind of game unbalance issues and problem...

that they have made it so you can sell accaunts on there own site is a outrage, the fact that you can only sell it for isk is not doing anything(isk resell for a nice price as i understand it), and that gtc is a well known isk income in eve, which just means "a way to buy isk"... it is a bounch of profitable *****s that have absolute no knowledge of morale or etics, they are ****ing it up for themselve and all other players, by incuraging stupid **** that only have one function "profit"... it have nothing to do with making a great universal game, or giving joy to alot of people, or even making a fair and equelly game.. no it is ONLY about profit for the creators, nothing else..'
which they prove time and time again, by doing stupid **** like multiple accounts (which is a "MOST HAVE" if you wanna acomplice anything in eve), accaunt selling/trading(but ofcause for 20$, wtf would they take any money for this? makes no sense, other then to ***** and rap.e their customers as much as possible and fotos on your char 10$ WTF! this is features that (if possible) would be totally free in any other online game, because you already paid for the right to do whatever is within the bounties of the game).

only reason any of this profit whoring is in any kind possible is because it is online, which means worldwide, which means DAMN hard to take to court...
taking money for a product that you already procased is against the law, and worse then that, they really **** this concept... all they are doing is just screaming out "LOOK AT US!.. we will **** the system as much as human possible untill some one get so tired of it that they will be a lawsuit where there will be set up strait rules and a high punishment"...

why is it that people think they need to **** a system as much as possible just because people arn't jumping them in the first secound and ripping their heads of?!

just my thoughts and the profitable, foto, charekter ownership, and multiple accounts nessacerity...

FLAME ON!!

Atreides Horza
Caldari
Malum.
Posted - 2007.01.28 11:43:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Atreides Horza on 28/01/2007 11:40:16
The moaning and groaning of peeps without alts
is hardly our headaches or anyone's faults.
If you have an issue,
why don't buy a tissue
instead of these poetic somersaults.

lusifar
Posted - 2007.01.28 11:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Rabb Darktide
Not to mention CCP would be liable for refunds of multiple accounts banned do to a policy change - ESPECIALLY since they actively encourage having more than one account.


actually in the agreement you agrees to "CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you.
CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees for a termination pursuant to this section. "
and actually you agree when you open an account that ccp can for "whatever reason" close your account (actually what we all agreed on is that we have no rights at all.... which i find funny because you pay for the right, so i clearly do not see how they can write something like that in the open accaunt agreement (it is quite funny to read)..

CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2007.01.28 11:50:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Atreides Horza
Edited by: Atreides Horza on 28/01/2007 11:40:16
The moaning and groaning of peeps without alts
is hardly our headaches or anyone's faults.
If you have an issue,
why don't buy a tissue
instead of these poetic somersaults.


one more idiot to statement... i have alts. and i agree.. with all those who think that incurouging more then one account is wrong.

Hypatia Iola
Caldari
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.01.28 12:06:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Hypatia Iola on 28/01/2007 12:08:01
Edited by: Hypatia Iola on 28/01/2007 12:07:46
i'm confused...
if you don't want enemy corps(alliances) to know what you're up to, either get some real security, ie Compartmentalise everything so if one part is compromised the rest may not be or cut down corp size so that you know you can trust your buddies. Serioulsy.

As far as no full blown account alts... why? If someone is willing to pay extra for the ability to do stuff, why in the world would you begrudge him that?(i do agree no chicks online lol)

edit and to the guy who went off on a rambling speech about ISK sales and stuff like that Holy Jeez man, how much heart medication do you take? seriously chill out. I'd buy ISK if it wasn't EULA-prohibited. I haven't got the time(seriously) to mine, farm, rat, and otherwise do all the random crap you have to do to make money in this game. I'm not buying an alt acct for this very reason.

Atreides Horza
Caldari
Malum.
Posted - 2007.01.28 12:23:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: CrestoftheStars


one more idiot to statement... i have alts. and i agree.. with all those who think that incurouging more then one account is wrong.


You have an alt, yet you agree that it should not be allowed? Standards are good - double standards are twice as good? :lol:

As for the idiot part, your spelling doesn't exactly make you head of the class, you think? Rolling Eyes

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2007.01.28 12:50:00 - [29]
 

It's a very fine line to walk. The ability to run many accounts will always give an advantage of some sort, regardless the game.

The danger of that for any online game company is how necessary having multiple accounts becomes in order to play their game competively. It is a MAJOR turn off to prospective new players if they need to pay for several accounts of the game they are considering.

Imagine if these new games coming out like, Conan or Vanguard, had an advisory on the side of their box, "Recomend 2 or 3 accounts per player". Yeah, right. That'd go over like a lead balloon.

So to the Pro Alts crowd I would say, be careful. You may just be advocating the one thing that might just lead to a premature death of the game you are playing.

To the Anti Alts crowd I would say, you might as well strike up a conversation with your shoe. Players running multiple accounts are as inevitable as death and taxes.

And to Marcus, 10/10 for creativity! Very Happy

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.01.28 13:02:00 - [30]
 

It's a thin line to thread, having 5 horus to play per day rather then just one always will gove some form of advantage.


Multi accounts aren't a problem. If anything is it's multiple chars on each account. Nobody's going to waste a complete account ona noobcorp scouting char. Let everyone train up several aaccounts if they want, more accounts means higher flexibility as return for higher ingame upkeep cost and higher RL upkeep costs.

Alts gone ? Yes.
Multi-accounting gone, no.


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