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Kaptein Trefot
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:20:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 26/01/2007 14:17:14
This has probably been discussed before but sine I’m still rather new to eve and the search function is less than lacking I cant be bothered to look up old threads.

What about player/corp/ally owned casinos? Now I don’t want eve to turn into a game were everybody sits docked at a station somewhere doing whatever, but the idea of player owned casinos gets me all warm and fuzzy.

These stations should only be allowed in low sec and 0.0 or maybe only on 0.0 regions were your ally has sovereignty.

The source of income could be a % of turnover or a small tax for buying chips and whoever advertise best for their casino or give out the best deals, could potentially make a fortune.

I for sure wouldn’t mind some Friday night poker and some good old laughs!

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:25:00 - [2]
 

It's been talked to death yes and although I'm pro casinos I'd never sign a bill for it to be player run.

ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:27:00 - [3]
 

I'm against gambling so I hope it never happens.

There's enough poker websites you can use that work with play money. Hook up on teamspeak and tell your friends to go to hollywood poker.com or whatever and you are set.

I dont see the need to bring it into eve.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:29:00 - [4]
 

Now that there's a link between ISK and RL cash thanks to GTCs, I suspect that in-game gambling might technically be subject to RL gaming laws.

Strange Guy
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:33:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
I'm against gambling so I hope it never happens.

There's enough poker websites you can use that work with play money. Hook up on teamspeak and tell your friends to go to hollywood poker.com or whatever and you are set.

I dont see the need to bring it into eve.


Guess you can't play EVE anymore, seeing as it is a gamble just to fly in space, someone can always kill you.

Anyway, I am all for player owned deadspace, gate turrets/webbers/scrams, hired npc guard fleets, bases on moon and planets, sun harvestors, all that good stuff. The more effect players can have on the world, the better.

Lyzander
Caldari
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:40:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Lyzander on 26/01/2007 14:40:35
There were NPC Casino services in some station back in Beta, if my memory serves me well.

So my bet is CCP had some reason to remove them, like the Paintshop from Alpha.

They had a cool logo in-station though; I think it was a roulette table.

Forgot to mention - I don't think they were ever functional in Beta. Never really looked though, had too many other interesting things to check out.

Kaptein Trefot
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:46:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It's been talked to death yes and although I'm pro casinos I'd never sign a bill for it to be player run.


Why wouldnt you want it to be player owned?

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:53:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It's been talked to death yes and although I'm pro casinos I'd never sign a bill for it to be player run.


Everything good in EVE is player run. Why wouldn't you want that?

Meloku
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:59:00 - [9]
 

Don't forget to try www.eve-poker.com in-game. Cool

ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
Posted - 2007.01.26 14:59:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Strange Guy
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
I'm against gambling so I hope it never happens.

There's enough poker websites you can use that work with play money. Hook up on teamspeak and tell your friends to go to hollywood poker.com or whatever and you are set.

I dont see the need to bring it into eve.


Guess you can't play EVE anymore, seeing as it is a gamble just to fly in space, someone can always kill you.




It's a gamble to cross the road too, it doesn't imply I'm against living.

Try to take my original post in context instead of going out of your way to be a smartarse.


Darkrogue
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:03:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Darkrogue on 26/01/2007 15:00:32
I think this is an awsome idea. Honestly there are many times in EVE when I don't have much to do. And having a place to go to socialize outside of the corp/alliance would be great!

I would like to see a few NPC Casinos in Low-Sec, and then obviously the ability to build them like an outpost.

The Casinos should be ISK ONLY.

Could have solo games such as slots, but the big draw would be to play texas holdem, blackjack and other games against players.

And if you lose big to someone you can go try and blow up their ship when they undock Twisted Evil

Honestly, I dont see how this DOESN'T fit into eve. You dont think space pirates play cards? Cool

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Strange Guy
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
I'm against gambling so I hope it never happens.

There's enough poker websites you can use that work with play money. Hook up on teamspeak and tell your friends to go to hollywood poker.com or whatever and you are set.

I dont see the need to bring it into eve.


Guess you can't play EVE anymore, seeing as it is a gamble just to fly in space, someone can always kill you.




It's a gamble to cross the road too, it doesn't imply I'm against living.

Try to take my original post in context instead of going out of your way to be a smartarse.




He has a point though. Assuming the casino is ISK only, then all you are doing is spending isk with the possibility of losing it (gambling). When you buy a PvP ship and fly it into an enemy gang, you are just spending isk with the possibility of lsing it (its a gamble). Whether the gambling takes the form of virtual space battles or virtual card playing, I don't see how it makes a difference- they're still both virtual gambling of virtual isk in a virtual game.

ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Strange Guy
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
I'm against gambling so I hope it never happens.

There's enough poker websites you can use that work with play money. Hook up on teamspeak and tell your friends to go to hollywood poker.com or whatever and you are set.

I dont see the need to bring it into eve.


Guess you can't play EVE anymore, seeing as it is a gamble just to fly in space, someone can always kill you.




It's a gamble to cross the road too, it doesn't imply I'm against living.

Try to take my original post in context instead of going out of your way to be a smartarse.




He has a point though. Assuming the casino is ISK only, then all you are doing is spending isk with the possibility of losing it (gambling). When you buy a PvP ship and fly it into an enemy gang, you are just spending isk with the possibility of lsing it (its a gamble). Whether the gambling takes the form of virtual space battles or virtual card playing, I don't see how it makes a difference- they're still both virtual gambling of virtual isk in a virtual game.


Losing a ship in combat is part of the risk in the game I originally subscribed to.

Losing isk gambling is a direction I would not like to see the game go in.

Just because it can be done does not mean it should be.

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:33:00 - [14]
 

NPC casinos are fine, its a great ISK sink.. Statistically the house always earns more.

But player run casinos are sorta wrong!

Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:51:00 - [15]
 

Yeah I love the idea of player-owned casinos.

To make it fair, CCP could distribute ownership rights of a limited number of casinos through some sort of lottery. Very Happy

Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:53:00 - [16]
 

Iv'e allways thought it to be a great idea, sounded it out everytime it comes up.

Might i suggest though you add a couple of items to the database before it's inception.

The keys to ships, and the deeds to pos's and outpostsVery Happy

Lyzander
Caldari
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.01.26 15:54:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Lyzander on 26/01/2007 15:51:16
Originally by: Wrangler
Casinos were almost implemented in beta, not sure where it stand now, but they might implement it again.


From this thread:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=28708&sid=220465753

Might note that comment by Wrangler is four years old, but it still shows recognition by the devs.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.26 16:01:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Yeah I love the idea of player-owned casinos.

To make it fair, CCP could distribute ownership rights of a limited number of casinos through some sort of lottery. Very Happy


Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! <o>

ShockedSurprisedCrying or Very sadSurprisedShocked

Kaptein Trefot
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.01.26 16:58:00 - [19]
 

It should of course me allowed to be put up by anyone in low sec or 0.0 but I doubt very many ppl/alliances would be able to make a profit of it. Very Happy

LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
Posted - 2007.01.26 17:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kaptein Trefot
It should of course me allowed to be put up by anyone in low sec or 0.0 but I doubt very many ppl/alliances would be able to make a profit of it. Very Happy


Why not? Offer highsec corps safe passage to deep 0.0 for a weeks stay at the Outpost! All inclusive of course Razz

Inevitability
Caldari
Death By Association
Posted - 2007.01.26 22:58:00 - [21]
 

I'm for it! 500mil on the pass line....LET IT RIDE BABY!!!CoolLaughing

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2007.01.26 23:06:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It's been talked to death yes and although I'm pro casinos I'd never sign a bill for it to be player run.


Everything good in EVE is player run. Why wouldn't you want that?


'Cause the house always wins, it'd be a terrible moneyprinting tool with little to no downside, whereas NPC casinos would be a great isk sink for the same reason.


Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.26 23:17:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
It's been talked to death yes and although I'm pro casinos I'd never sign a bill for it to be player run.


Everything good in EVE is player run. Why wouldn't you want that?


'Cause the house always wins, it'd be a terrible moneyprinting tool with little to no downside, whereas NPC casinos would be a great isk sink for the same reason.




Yeah, well docking fees and refining taxes are moneyprinting tools, when you think about it. Its the whole idea of setting about the hugely risky and expensive undertaking of running an outpost.

And anyhow, you can add in an NPC "gambling tax" or something to keep an isk-sink in it, albeit a lesser one.

BurnHard
Posted - 2007.01.26 23:54:00 - [24]
 


They can do it easy. They already have the icon for station service "Casino" - it was there in beta Laughing.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.27 00:01:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: BurnHard

They can do it easy. They already have the icon for station service "Casino" - it was there in beta Laughing.


Heh, because designing the icon was always going to be the tricky part, wasn't it? Razz

Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.27 00:41:00 - [26]
 

Sorry, but there's another aspect to player-casinos...
Basicly, there's a lot of background coding to running casinos.
CCP would get a lot of extra work if they have to maintain security of casino-systems and coding.


Ghostshadow
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.27 01:06:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Ghostshadow on 27/01/2007 01:04:47
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: Strange Guy
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
I'm against gambling so I hope it never happens.

There's enough poker websites you can use that work with play money. Hook up on teamspeak and tell your friends to go to hollywood poker.com or whatever and you are set.

I dont see the need to bring it into eve.


Guess you can't play EVE anymore, seeing as it is a gamble just to fly in space, someone can always kill you.




It's a gamble to cross the road too, it doesn't imply I'm against living.

Try to take my original post in context instead of going out of your way to be a smartarse.




He has a point though. Assuming the casino is ISK only, then all you are doing is spending isk with the possibility of losing it (gambling). When you buy a PvP ship and fly it into an enemy gang, you are just spending isk with the possibility of lsing it (its a gamble). Whether the gambling takes the form of virtual space battles or virtual card playing, I don't see how it makes a difference- they're still both virtual gambling of virtual isk in a virtual game.


That analogy is so wrong...

Buying a ship IS NOT GAMBLING. When two people engage in PvP, there are unlimited amount of factors that can affect the outcome. From something as simple as who has the most Skill points, to something ouside the game like who has less latency.. to something completely un-EVE related like who had more sleep.

The only way PvP is GAMBLING is if two people with the EXACT same skills.. EXACT same ship, with the EXACT same setup.. start shooting eachother at the EXACT same time and neither orbit, use EW, try to outmanuver out smart.. just sit there and go Pew Pew at each other. Then it would be gambling because the outcome would be decided on who the Random Number Generator loved more that day.

EDIT. as for my personal view i really don't care if they put gambleing in the game or not. Too boring for me to bother with anyways. If I wanted to play poker i'd jut go to a website. There is really no point in staying logged into play poker.

Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
Posted - 2007.01.27 02:39:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ghostshadow
Edited by: Ghostshadow on 27/01/2007 01:04:47
That analogy is so wrong...

Buying a ship IS NOT GAMBLING. When two people engage in PvP, there are unlimited amount of factors that can affect the outcome. From something as simple as who has the most Skill points, to something ouside the game like who has less latency.. to something completely un-EVE related like who had more sleep.

The only way PvP is GAMBLING is if two people with the EXACT same skills.. EXACT same ship, with the EXACT same setup.. start shooting eachother at the EXACT same time and neither orbit, use EW, try to outmanuver out smart.. just sit there and go Pew Pew at each other. Then it would be gambling because the outcome would be decided on who the Random Number Generator loved more that day.

EDIT. as for my personal view i really don't care if they put gambleing in the game or not. Too boring for me to bother with anyways. If I wanted to play poker i'd jut go to a website. There is really no point in staying logged into play poker.


Not really, there are very few, if any, casino games that favor the player over the house.
Technically one on one PvP against a superior opponent is gambling, because the only real way you're goin to win is if you're lucky or cheat. Razz

Kaptein Trefot
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.01.27 02:44:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 27/01/2007 02:44:45
Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 27/01/2007 02:43:06
Edited by: Kaptein Trefot on 27/01/2007 02:42:16
Imagine a 1200 poker tournament.

10 mill each to join.

Final table get at least 1 bill each.

I’m not a gambling man, I don’t bet isk/us dollars I cant afford to lose but a wsop in eve would make great entertainment no matter what those sad low lives with real life problems like to implement to this rather great idea.

No one will lose their home, or their family. A possible flush you say? I call...

tiewan
Posted - 2007.01.27 04:29:00 - [30]
 

I am against it being player owned because any player who owns a casino will only make money. it will be better than having a hangar full of t2 bpo's because with absolutely no effort, money will just keep rolling in.

If it was npc owned, it would be better, especially if the money you dumped into it somehow affected the game, like giving the faction / corp you played at more power and influence somehow, or maybe spending a bunch of isk in a npc casino raises your standing with them.


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