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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.01.28 13:10:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Lowa on 28/01/2007 13:07:13
Originally by: Dragutinovic
i always had tought NSN left due BoB somehow/somewhat having a deal with MC . Im not sure on this ofc but was first thing that came to mind .

I could be completly wrong , just a tought.

Yes, I'm sorry to say you are as wrong as one could ever be.

But people just dont get it that sometimes its not a greasy
tinfoilstory behind every move a corp does in eve. Confused
So again: NSN lost its feeling, that more than anything else
made us take the incredibly hard decision to leave MC to try
and repair our selves into something we know we can be.
Sorry to say that we still have a long way to go, RL is making
it very hard on us, time constraints doesnt help.


All other "facts" are utter crap. Period.
Feel free to convo/eve-mail me if anyone think they know better.


Regards,
Lowa

welsh wizard
Caldari
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2007.01.28 13:22:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 28/01/2007 13:19:31
The issue has never been whether the MC would accept a contract against BoB or not. It would be how far both parties would be willing to go.

You see, the evidence suggests BoB could never be antagonised enough to actually capture the MC outposts and remove them from their space. The relationship between the two entities seems to be too strong.

Is there a point at which BoB would say enough is enough? Or would all be forgotten as soon as The MC's paydirt dries up?

I believe as far as your average forum ***** is concerned this uncertainty is what casts doubt over the whole affair. It isn't necessarily the MC's intentions that everyone gets so excited about, its how seriously the BoB command would take it. I'm sure after a couple of fights it'll be all laughs and hugs but what about when The MC are taking down poses in NOL-M9?

Theres only one way to find out and thats to pay The MC and give them some decent objectives.

300mil enough? :P

Mah Kraah
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2007.01.28 13:38:00 - [183]
 

i doubt we will see mc on a contract vs bob.
easy reason:
mc are serious and they wont accept a contract they cant fulfill.
the facts that they would losse their outposts and home in bob controled space can be compensated by insane amounts of isks, but mc wont promiss what they cant do. mc vs bob has to include MANY isk( lost mc outposts lost mc capitalfleet lost home need to be compensated) AND a masterplan witch would convince seleene that it is doable.

Dragutinovic
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2007.01.28 13:57:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Lowa
Edited by: Lowa on 28/01/2007 13:07:13
Originally by: Dragutinovic
i always had tought NSN left due BoB somehow/somewhat having a deal with MC . Im not sure on this ofc but was first thing that came to mind .

I could be completly wrong , just a tought.

Yes, I'm sorry to say you are as wrong as one could ever be.

But people just dont get it that sometimes its not a greasy
tinfoilstory behind every move a corp does in eve. Confused
So again: NSN lost its feeling, that more than anything else
made us take the incredibly hard decision to leave MC to try
and repair our selves into something we know we can be.
Sorry to say that we still have a long way to go, RL is making
it very hard on us, time constraints doesnt help.


All other "facts" are utter crap. Period.
Feel free to convo/eve-mail me if anyone think they know better.


Regards,
Lowa


fair enuff , that was justa tought that sprong to mind probably due history and all that basiclly had no idea why .

Hope NSN comes back as strong as in teh past :)

Rudy Metallo
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.28 14:40:00 - [185]
 

Well of course BoB paid MC to attack the North.

That doesn't necessarily mean that MC are BoB pets. BoB, I imagine, probably paid them a hefty sum to declare war on all of the northern alliances. So they are, in fact, going to the highest bidder.

Now, what you guys can do now is pay them not to attack you, and to attack BoB.

If you can top the amount that BoB dished out, which, seeing as it's unknown as of this point, would probably be a helluva a lot of money.

There's a difference between being a pet and having a loyal client that pays very, very well.

Nikerym Selugion
Gallente
Blackwater Squadron
Posted - 2007.01.28 15:14:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Ian Novarider
>>>
MC would attack BoB if the contract terms were right, what those terms actually are only Seleene is ever going to know.
>>>

They would not.

Even for a VERY high price.

The question has been asked, the answer has been given.


Have fun

Ian


PS:
This applies to the CURRENT geo-political situation in EVE. No one knows if this will be possible in the future.


i disagree, it's not THAT hard to work out the price they would ask. it would also depend on the kind of incursion you want them to do on BOB.

for example, you have to look at thier current assets. (4 Outposts + POS defences) which they have the potential to lose should thier fleet get destroyed and BOB move in on them. (150BIl? conservative probably)

then you have to look at thier potential losses, last time i heard, MC have 2-3 motherships (30B each) 40+ dread/carrier fleet (lets assume 1.5 each since i don't know exact numbers, (60Bil)

that already comes to a total of approximately 300Bil in assets they stand to lose. then you have T2 geared BS, Cruiesrs, Hacs, etc. (lets throw another 100Bil on there)

assuming you were prepared to cover ALL thier loses during the contract as well, then lets estimate a possible 300BIl extra

so i'd say for a sum of close to 800Billion MC would happily have a shot at BOB for a week or 2. (of course if i was MC, i would accept that as a bond, and if BOB didn't go after thier Outposts, return 150Bil afterwards. same if thier fleet doesn't get hurt, no MS losses, etc)

of course that's just a basic overview (and guess) at the assets MC has and is capable of losing. that being said, it is A GUESS, i might be way off :)

fire 59
Gallente
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.01.29 00:33:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Rudy Metallo
Well of course BoB paid MC to attack the North.

That doesn't necessarily mean that MC are BoB pets. BoB, I imagine, probably paid them a hefty sum to declare war on all of the northern alliances. So they are, in fact, going to the highest bidder.

Now, what you guys can do now is pay them not to attack you, and to attack BoB.

If you can top the amount that BoB dished out, which, seeing as it's unknown as of this point, would probably be a helluva a lot of money.

There's a difference between being a pet and having a loyal client that pays very, very well.


After all the guess work and rumour mill stuff, it's still just guess work and opinion. The only people who know what the score is , is the people it involves. Just becasue you think something is true doesn't make it so


Kuolematon
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2007.01.29 09:30:00 - [188]
 

Wherever B(l)oB goes, their lapdogs will follow yapping along side them. They got 2 dogs (Just like Paris Hilton) - their names are MC and FIX.

Little chicihuanas ..orwhatevertheyarecalled ugh

SonicBoom
Gallente
Domination.
Posted - 2007.01.29 10:47:00 - [189]
 

Who Cares ??

Lets just hurry up and get it on - I'm on vacation soonEvil or Very Mad

Kitia
Amarr
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.01.29 16:44:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Luthien Firefoot
Dear All,

Perhaps you would expect a bit of flameage, considering the war dec and all. Also given the fact that MC recruit Valen06, was caught several times spying for FIX and giving out intel brazenly, in local, to FIX on IRON numbers, movements etc during our recent war with FIX.

But no incendiary underpants will you find here.
I have read and listened to a lot off ppl over the years accuse MC of being in BOBs pocket, ppl say to me now "see, see we were right all along, MC are just 'T2 BOPPETS'"

I have replied to them all, in MC's defense, that I don't believe it is so, MC are mercs and work for the highest bidder, the fact of where they live (in BOB space) and the time of the wardec (same time as BOB northern mobilisation) are just coincidences imho.

So I open it up to you, the spacefarers of eve to tell us if, like me, you believe that MC have not been told by BOB what to do, then agree with me, if you disagree and think that MC are indeed, highly skilled albeit, but BOB PETS, then feel free to state that, but back it up with some evidence / proof please, don't just smack for the sake of it.


Hi Bob spy. *waves*

Kitia

Godolphin
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.29 17:05:00 - [191]
 

Yawn....Just Kick MCs Arse back to wherever they spawned from...less talk more blood...pretty sure Bob+Mc will have there bad day sumtime....i.e create a super allaince of all bob haters...hundreds of corps and go pop them in thier space simple no more bob
BTW good luck!!Wink

DoctorGonzo
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.29 17:47:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Godolphin
Yawn....Just Kick MCs Arse back to wherever they spawned from...less talk more blood...pretty sure Bob+Mc will have there bad day sumtime....i.e create a super allaince of all bob haters...hundreds of corps and go pop them in thier space simple no more bob
BTW good luck!!Wink


It's been tried. Ask Xirt how it went last time! Wink


ponieus
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2007.01.29 18:06:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: Godolphin
Yawn....Just Kick MCs Arse back to wherever they spawned from...less talk more blood...pretty sure Bob+Mc will have there bad day sumtime....i.e create a super allaince of all bob haters...hundreds of corps and go pop them in thier space simple no more bob
BTW good luck!!Wink


It's been tried. Ask Xirt how it went last time! Wink



something about planting seeds and growing a tree or soemthing..

then the lumberjacks came and removed his tree.. thus the aridia alliance was born. Laughing

Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.01.29 20:59:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Captain Thunk
MC are not BoB pets.

<snip>

MC would attack BoB if the contract terms were right, what those terms actually are only Seleene is ever going to know. Impressive though MC is, it still cannot go toe-to-toe with BoB - as a result, what does anyone expect them to do? Chase the ratters and miners?ugh

<snip>
CAPTAIN THUNK


MC are free to have whoever they like as friends. They are a respectable group of pilots and I take nothing from them other than lessons on how to fight...heheh.

However...I will never be convinced that MC would ever take a contract against BoB until I actually see it happen. I believe that MC cannot be hired against BoB.

U'puauht
Minmatar
Quid Pro Quo
Posted - 2007.01.29 21:21:00 - [195]
 

Who gives a toss, really?
Fact is, MC is around to fight, and the North intends to fight back. That's all that really matters, in my humble opinion.

Too much talking, too little pew-pew. ugh

Renox
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.01.29 21:59:00 - [196]
 

All I hear is blablabla...
hope you guys up North have some fun, there's certainlly potential for some good fights. BOB, MC, Fix vs the North and Outbreak thrown in as a wildcard that shoots everyone. Lovely!

Less talk more action, or maybe I should say more action reports. Been a while since we had one from Seleene *hint hint* *nudge nudge* *wink wink*

Yaay
Amarr
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.01.29 22:07:00 - [197]
 

Edited by: Yaay on 29/01/2007 22:05:11
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Originally by: Godolphin
Yawn....Just Kick MCs Arse back to wherever they spawned from...less talk more blood...pretty sure Bob+Mc will have there bad day sumtime....i.e create a super allaince of all bob haters...hundreds of corps and go pop them in thier space simple no more bob
BTW good luck!!Wink


It's been tried. Ask Xirt how it went last time! Wink





The best part about it was hearing Xirt constantly saying "we're doing good boys we're doing good", and I looked around and saw 8 purple dots left Xirt had be dead for 10 minutes or more, and 50-60 red Bobbets still sitting there shooting us"...

I survived :-) til the bitter end, and had 12 mails :-D

Yep, those were the days.

PS. Thanks Dogsta for showing me the light

Funky Feeling
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.01.30 16:40:00 - [198]
 

MC is the best pay to kill group in the game. To be the best you have to have great PVP skills and business skills. Where would you build your fleet ships? In a area that changes onwership by the season or an area that nobody want to invade?

To be the best good goals and planning for those goals are needed or everything floppes and goes belly up. MC desided on BoB space for a home to have a secure location to operate out of.

Far as BOB paying MC for a raid that just sounds silly to me since if BoB wants to put a hurt on someone we just do it our selfs.

Pvt. Funky
[ quote=Luthien Firefoot]Dear All,

Perhaps you would expect a bit of flameage, considering the war dec and all. Also given the fact that MC recruit Valen06, was caught several times spying for FIX and giving out intel brazenly, in local, to FIX on IRON numbers, movements etc during our recent war with FIX.

But no incendiary underpants will you find here.
I have read and listened to a lot off ppl over the years accuse MC of being in BOBs pocket, ppl say to me now "see, see we were right all along, MC are just 'T2 BOPPETS'"

I have replied to them all, in MC's defense, that I don't believe it is so, MC are mercs and work for the highest bidder, the fact of where they live (in BOB space) and the time of the wardec (same time as BOB northern mobilisation) are just coincidences imho.

So I open it up to you, the spacefarers of eve to tell us if, like me, you believe that MC have not been told by BOB what to do, then agree with me, if you disagree and think that MC are indeed, highly skilled albeit, but BOB PETS, then feel free to state that, but back it up with some evidence / proof please, don't just smack for the sake of it.


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