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Benglada
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.18 06:25:00 - [31]
 

i know people who stole 20 and never bothered posting about it lol.

DeckardIRL
The Randoms
Posted - 2007.01.18 08:58:00 - [32]
 

Aye.... great "swindle" you simple knicked some nice BPO's. Nothing you have said justifies it except your own petty jealousy.

Grow up and grow some.

Deck

PoPa
Rionnag Alba
Posted - 2007.01.18 09:21:00 - [33]
 

In my opinion this just looks like an attempt to get some attention...

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.01.18 11:25:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Tribunal
Congratulations on being ethically corrupt. I'm sure there are quite a few players in this section who will pat you on the head and let you know how special you are.

For the rest of us, we just see you as another example of why business deals and, friendships, fail on a daily basis.




Ever watch a film where only good things happen to the protagonist...? Think you'd ever want to?

Look, I'll candidly admit that I suck at PvP (for now anyway). But even if all I'm doing is ratting and selling loot, I need mean nasty dangerous people to play, otherwise what's the point? Dragging a holdful of mods 40 jumps to Jita for a tiny profit-margin is damb boring. Spending a couple of hours running loot past a gauntlet of war targets, privateers and pirates to make a fat profit, on the other hand is dangerous & exhilerating. It's not like the OP has ripped of these guys real bank accounts. No children are going to miss a meal because of this. Hell, he even still has his T2 BPOs. What he now also has is a motivation. Which do you think is going to provide more satisfaction and meaning: cranking out yet another run of cap charger IIs, or getting revenge on the OP?

Repetitive meaningless tasks for money are what I do to pay for EVE, not what I want to play in EVE... The point of EVE is not to acucmulate the most iskies. The point is to star in your own movie, to be in a story. Excitement, adventure, really wild things!

So to all the pirates, ore-thieves, privateers, corp-scammers & spies out here: thanks!. I'll do my best to thwart your evil schemes, but you doing your best means I have to do mine. And that's what makes EVE fun. That's what makes the game worth playing.

Myadra
Posted - 2007.01.18 11:28:00 - [35]
 


hmmm, ruining your reputation for 18bil ? not really worth it... now your going to be in the same class as R0MEO and all the other two bit hiesters, corp looters & backstabbers ...

but its just a game, theirs always a chance of being robbed, even by your bestest of friends. so hope he learned a lesson as well & holds onto his investments more closely or runs his own POS next time :)


Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.18 11:38:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Impressive haul. Good job ;f

WHERE IS YOUR NEXT EBIL PLOT?! LaughingLaughingLaughingEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

kublai
Guillotine Therapy
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2007.01.18 11:42:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Impressive haul. Good job ;f

WHERE IS YOUR NEXT EBIL PLOT?! LaughingLaughingLaughingEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Haven't you ever heard of, BoB?

TINFOIL HATS FOR SALE! 5 MILLION ISK FINEST TINFOIL IN JITA!

Can YOU afford to go without one of my fine tinfoil hats?

Neon Genesis
GoonFleet
Posted - 2007.01.18 12:08:00 - [38]
 

When you give access to expensive items to someone else, you are giving them away.

Colje
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.18 12:53:00 - [39]
 

I had lots of respect for you Laz....

If you can do **** like this to friends you've known for the past 2-3 years...what stops you from doing it in Real Life? Glad I dont know you in Real Life.

Enjoy the rest of your corrupt eve-time.

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.18 14:34:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Colje
I had lots of respect for you Laz....

If you can do **** like this to friends you've known for the past 2-3 years...what stops you from doing it in Real Life? Glad I dont know you in Real Life.

Enjoy the rest of your corrupt eve-time.


lol. why do ppl keep comparing eve to RL, jees get a grip. if someone doesn't like their rep in eve then they sell their character and buy a new one, simple. in RL it aint quite that simple so of course ppl do things in eve that they wouldn't in RL. i have killed hundereds of ppl in eve, that doesn't mean that i'm going to go out and kill someone in RL. GAME, remember.

but yeah it is surprising that someone can do it to a person/people he has known for years tbh if they have been decent to the person.

DE



R0ME0
Posted - 2007.01.18 16:09:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Colje
I had lots of respect for you Laz....

If you can do **** like this to friends you've known for the past 2-3 years...what stops you from doing it in Real Life? Glad I dont know you in Real Life.

Enjoy the rest of your corrupt eve-time.


lol. why do ppl keep comparing eve to RL, jees get a grip. if someone doesn't like their rep in eve then they sell their character and buy a new one, simple. in RL it aint quite that simple so of course ppl do things in eve that they wouldn't in RL. i have killed hundereds of ppl in eve, that doesn't mean that i'm going to go out and kill someone in RL. GAME, remember.

but yeah it is surprising that someone can do it to a person/people he has known for years tbh if they have been decent to the person.

DE






Ditto...

Its there excuse half the time of being a dumb arse, and makes them feel better. that or they dont have a RL life most of us... and eve is there life. :)

Mephesto Nizal
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2007.01.18 18:26:00 - [42]
 

people are people, trust is trust...theres nothing different in games and real life in that matter, except with the idea that you can get away with it in games...so some do it. Getting away with it is the one thing thats really seperate. You could play a boardgame and cheat every single time untill you got caught, or poker for that matter. Use the line 'it's just a game' there might get you shunned by friends, or get a punch to the face.


Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2007.01.18 19:24:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: R0ME0

Its there excuse half the time of being a dumb arse, and makes them feel better. that or they dont have a RL life most of us... and eve is there life. :)


This coming from an individual that has devoted a Blog to their online experiences? Laughing

Give me a second while I catch my breath.

P.S. A persons actions in game do represent how a person would act when there are no real consequences to actions. You are simply showing us what kind of a person you truly are.

Zubenelgenubi
Priory of the Lime
Posted - 2007.01.18 19:51:00 - [44]
 

Quote:
dumb arse


You may be. But there is nothing stupid about placing trust in another person.


slothe
Caldari
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.01.18 22:18:00 - [45]
 

my honour has no price. even tho am i am a pirate :P

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2007.01.18 23:18:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 18/01/2007 23:18:09
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Impressive haul. Good job ;f

WHERE IS YOUR NEXT EBIL PLOT?! LaughingLaughingLaughingEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil


Istvaan created ISS, and is the mastermind behind their IPO?Razz


For some of us, if there's a price we'd sell our honor and trust, it's not one that's likely to come up.

Sure, I could find plenty of uses for 18billion ISK, but EVE only a game, whether I have 18billion or 18million, I'll have fun. I'd have more fun with 18billion, but that's not the point. Grats on your haul I suppose, altho if they 'own' part of the T2 market (Khatred?), then 18billion is likely only an annoyance to them. It'd be like someone telling Donald Trump he just got robbed for a million dollars. He'd be ****ed, and make fun of Rosie some more, but it wouldn't really hurt him.

Fey Sceptari
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2007.01.18 23:41:00 - [47]
 

Quote:

lol. why do ppl keep comparing eve to RL, jees get a grip. if someone doesn't like their rep in eve then they sell their character and buy a new one, simple. in RL it aint quite that simple so of course ppl do things in eve that they wouldn't in RL. i have killed hundereds of ppl in eve, that doesn't mean that i'm going to go out and kill someone in RL. GAME, remember.

but yeah it is surprising that someone can do it to a person/people he has known for years tbh if they have been decent to the person.

DE



Coz i know out of experience, even when i try to roleplay i tend to be like i am in RL aswell. Some habits are hard to camo!
Mind you i never thought of stealing stuff in eve since i find it morally wrong in RL aswell.

Zardenim
Posted - 2007.01.19 02:31:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Tribunal
P.S. A persons actions in game do represent how a person would act when there are no real consequences to actions. You are simply showing us what kind of a person you truly are.


Don't even get me started. You want to say that and you have to account for the millions of rapists, murderers, and other truly ***ked up people out there first before you even get started on the thieves.

Besides, like the guy said, the person he was stealing from had plenty enough to make back what was stolen in little time at all. It's not like he's robbing a person with nothing else blind, and the fact that the person he robbed left himself completely open to this showed that he was either too stupid to be worthy of having that much ISK, and/or he didn't care if he lost such a 'paltry' sum, as most have regarded this amount.

MrTriggerHappy
Caldari
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.19 08:51:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Zardenim


Besides, like the guy said, the person he was stealing from had plenty enough to make back what was stolen in little time at all. It's not like he's robbing a person with nothing else blind, and the fact that the person he robbed left himself completely open to this showed that he was either too stupid to be worthy of having that much ISK, and/or he didn't care if he lost such a 'paltry' sum, as most have regarded this amount.


Ok give me 18bill worth of bpo's?

Also the guy who was involved, isnt stupid.. the whole point of this was based on "trust" an element which has now been completely destroyed

Anferney
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.19 14:08:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mephesto Nizal
people are people, trust is trust...theres nothing different in games and real life in that matter, except with the idea that you can get away with it in games...so some do it.
Getting away with it is the one thing thats really seperate. You could play a boardgame and cheat every single time untill you got caught, or poker for that matter. Use the line 'it's just a game' there might get you shunned by friends, or get a punch to the face.


Everything that he did was acceptable within the games rules. He did not cheat. Therefore, all he was doing was advancing his personal position in the game and was thus playing the game as it was meant to be played. I fail to see how a game is analogous to one's behavior in real.

Paeniteo
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.01.19 15:44:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Anferney
I fail to see how a game is analogous to one's behavior in real.


Well, it shows that it is not a sense of morality which prevents him from stealing, it is the consequences that follow. Take out the consequences part and he won't hesitate to steal. Yes it's a video game (that is paid for, by the way), but regardless it is theft, whether the guy is rich or not. Most people would feel some remorse, even if CCP allows it.
I think that is the point some people in this thread are trying to get across.

But who cares anyway. People are flawed. Old news.

Father Lazarous
Posted - 2007.01.19 16:31:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Father Lazarous on 19/01/2007 16:53:58
Originally by: Anferney
Everything that he did was acceptable within the games rules. He did not cheat. Therefore, all he was doing was advancing his personal position in the game and was thus playing the game as it was meant to be played. I fail to see how a game is analogous to one's behavior in real.


Very well put - after all - this is just a game and in real life I would never attempt this. After all, running a space station would be a little hard.

I used the tools that CCP gave me to do this, the same way that the player who I did this to used the tools that CCP gave to buy things off Escrow and immediatly put back on at a higher price. The same tools that Shadow earlier mentioned used the tools to scam people with an alt. It's just a game.

I am going to be pod'd to hell and back for this (and I may have made a few enemies out of this) but that is what makes the game fun. Moving about and surviving.

To those that see this as a silly little amount of ISK, to you yes it maybe. To me, 18 billion ISK (not including the cost of research on top of some of those BPO's) which could take it to nearer 20 billion ISK is a nice little war chest.

I love all the goody two shoes saying "evil" and "what price is morality", well I can sleep with what I have done.

To those that thought you trusted me, I am playing the character that I always wanted to really do deep down in the role playing world that is Eve. It did take a lot of background work to build yourself into a position to achive what was done, I never imagined the results would be this good. The payoff was far greater then I had planned.

As for wrecking this characters reputation among some people, I think that you just wish you'd pulled it off yourself. To those that think I did this on the spur of the moment, then think what you like but the fact is, I had plenty of time to do this and only when noises were being made about the victim leaving the corp to setup their own POS, then did I strike.

Cold and nasty, yes. But YARR... YARRRR!! ...this is no different to telling somebody that you won't pod them and actually podding them. Just on a slightly larger scale. A breach or trust.
Originally by: Hate Mail!

2007.01.17 23:16
u greedy **** i hunt u

Fenian
Caldari
Aztec Industries
Posted - 2007.01.19 16:58:00 - [53]
 

Good job.

Let your victim do the posting next time, though.

zenofmoo
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
Posted - 2007.01.19 17:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Tribunal
Congratulations on being ethically corrupt. I'm sure there are quite a few players in this section who will pat you on the head and let you know how special you are.

For the rest of us, we just see you as another example of why business deals and, friendships, fail on a daily basis.




Ever watch a film where only good things happen to the protagonist...? Think you'd ever want to?

Look, I'll candidly admit that I suck at PvP (for now anyway). But even if all I'm doing is ratting and selling loot, I need mean nasty dangerous people to play, otherwise what's the point? Dragging a holdful of mods 40 jumps to Jita for a tiny profit-margin is damb boring. Spending a couple of hours running loot past a gauntlet of war targets, privateers and pirates to make a fat profit, on the other hand is dangerous & exhilerating. It's not like the OP has ripped of these guys real bank accounts. No children are going to miss a meal because of this. Hell, he even still has his T2 BPOs. What he now also has is a motivation. Which do you think is going to provide more satisfaction and meaning: cranking out yet another run of cap charger IIs, or getting revenge on the OP?

Repetitive meaningless tasks for money are what I do to pay for EVE, not what I want to play in EVE... The point of EVE is not to acucmulate the most iskies. The point is to star in your own movie, to be in a story. Excitement, adventure, really wild things!

So to all the pirates, ore-thieves, privateers, corp-scammers & spies out here: thanks!. I'll do my best to thwart your evil schemes, but you doing your best means I have to do mine. And that's what makes EVE fun. That's what makes the game worth playing.


Waves at Mal!

I think Mal is spot on! Please do not misunderstand my agreement with Mal as condoning the OP's actions. Let's just imagine for a moment that there was no corp theft, no piracy, no "questionable" tactics, and PvP was consent only! How long would you continue to play? How long would you play when the risk was minimal? Not long I would say.

Am I pirate, corp thief, griefer? No, because I CHOOSE not be. But this game would be SO boring without them

Let's leave rl out of this discussion, as has been proven time and again, because someone who is a pirate in Eve does NOT make them a pirate in rl. And as far as questioning the OPs rl character based on consequences of actions, I think you would find ALOT of people would do much worse if the rl consequences didn't exists, most peoples morality is founded on the consequences of such actions, and without those consequences the morality changes.

Ikvar
A Blue Goat
Posted - 2007.01.19 17:13:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Tribunal
Congratulations on being ethically corrupt. I'm sure there are quite a few players in this section who will pat you on the head and let you know how special you are.

For the rest of us, we just see you as another example of why business deals and, friendships, fail on a daily basis.


Welcome to a computer game.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.19 17:17:00 - [56]
 

So 18bill isn't a lot anymore hmm can I have it then it would fund my ships for a good while

Father Lazarous
Posted - 2007.01.31 20:18:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Father Lazarous on 31/01/2007 20:16:55
Just to respond to this since I can't respond to the private thread at RK's forums that I had been sent (along with a nice congrts message which was a little out the blue from who it came from), but to address all the points assuming the thread was real (as it did look it)...

- It was not jealousy, it was planned. The fact was, the victim was talking about leaving, I had to make my move. Had the BPO's been moved before the leaving announcment then I'd have lost. However another day I will lose as this is just a game...

- I did not know the researched egg bpo belonged to the alliance "appearently", but what is stolen is stolen.

- Somebody in the thread asked if I was approached. Yes, Orc did approach me from the alliance (he is not the victim).

- Nice stunt in the thread to try to turn the whole alliance against me considering that this was a non-alliance theft, however now that all is revealed it does not matter.

- For the people who can't believe it happened or what I did and want revenge then take note...

...you have me locked down in Geminate space at the moment. I will get out as I have a scout with my hauler worth of crap that I took from the station in K25.

One thing that I learnt well with Celes was how to get in and out of systems no matter what the odds were. We were always travelling up and down the corridor in Stain.

I also need to pass thanks to the Roadkill pilot who let me leave the station with the hauler after he removed all my shields and most of my armor. Nice what a few simple words can do in local... ugh

...I was in the hauler full of goodies and told him to unlock me within 10 seconds or XYZ would happen as once I'd moved my scout back into hiding the damn ceptor turned up at the station. Considering all I had done, he did (which was very surprising) and I made my escape. The only hard bit of the escape was getting out the station and this has been done as the station was always full of people. Nice that a Netural bad person would be allowed to do what they did as I could not dock back. Thank god for jump clones to make travel to K25 that little bit easier.

As to what have I done with the BP's, sold some, invested others and helped a few people out in game. As for the egg BPO, yes I still have it.

Devian 666
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2007.01.31 21:13:00 - [58]
 

I'm still waiting for a 1,000,000,000,000,000 isk swindle.

Father Lazarous
Posted - 2007.01.31 21:30:00 - [59]
 

Now that would be something!!! :D

You could probably buy EVE itself for that! Very Happy

jellybird
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.01.31 23:04:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Izakbar

Ho hum.

Time for you to join BoB ?



Carnt u leave us out of a bloody single thread!!!

To the op, nice 1 ;-)


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