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tiller
THE PILLAGE
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:40:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: piepie
In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out.


Things are abit better now... I know for a fact that we made at least 2bill isk over the xmas week in one system alone. Thats with gangs from 2-6 people without any BIG single kills.

There are two ways to pirate at gates, for fun, or for isk. For isk you ignore large and often cheap / tough targets and focus on transports / haulers.

For fun, kill everything you can even if a tough fight....

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:46:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: piepie
In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out.


were you part of OPM?

Rail Duke
The Likely Lads
Posted - 2007.01.16 19:09:00 - [33]
 

With privateers, low sec should look mighty appealing :).

piepie
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.01.16 19:12:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: piepie on 16/01/2007 19:10:53
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: piepie
In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out.


were you part of OPM?


Yea i was, were you in clod ?? or am i thinking of some one else ?

When i did gate camping i did it for fun as it was great fun trying to ransom some one while being shot at by sentrys in a ferox :) it did get a little hectic in big groups i got popped by a corp mate and allmost podded that wasnt on vent :)

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.16 19:17:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: piepie
Edited by: piepie on 16/01/2007 19:10:53
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: piepie
In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out.


were you part of OPM?


Yea i was, were you in clod ?? or am i thinking of some one else ?

When i did gate camping i did it for fun as it was great fun trying to ransom some one while being shot at by sentrys in a ferox :) it did get a little hectic in big groups i got popped by a corp mate and allmost podded that wasnt on vent :)


Yeah I was in CLOD I was the one that wasn't running missions Razz (hopes Copeq and Mark aren't reading the forums)

I took part in your mass ferox gate camps once lol

piepie
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.01.16 19:28:00 - [36]
 

lol, i bet some one made a killing on all those feroxs. Those were the days of the "ferox gang" YARRRR!!

Sameth Daret
Original Pirating Material
Posted - 2007.01.16 19:35:00 - [37]
 

OPM FTW. those were the good old days nice to see you again Marcus.

Back to the topic. :P

deeper throat
Posted - 2007.01.16 21:17:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:26:48
Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:23:31
Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:15:53
First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months.

Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people".

Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7?

Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time?

Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them.

Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully.

I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk.

Well, now I'm 0.0 and I like it. But I would have been here much earlier if I wasn't scared off by getting wtfinstapwned for absolutely no reason.

Conclusio:

It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name.

OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar
AnTi.
Atrocitas
Posted - 2007.01.16 21:30:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: deeper throat
Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:23:31
Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:15:53
First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months.

Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people".

Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7?

Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time?

Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them.

Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully.

I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk.

Conclusio:

It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name.


We aren't really talking about attracting noobs who were traumatized at [EVE] birth. . . .

deeper throat
Posted - 2007.01.16 21:32:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: deeper throat
Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:23:31
Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:15:53
First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months.

Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people".

Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7?

Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time?

Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them.

Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully.

I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk.

Conclusio:

It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name.


We aren't really talking about attracting noobs who were traumatized at [EVE] birth. . .


I guess when those people become mature characters, you will find them valuable targets.

In fact, level 4 mission running with two accounts (one fighting, the other one doing remote repping) is VERY profitable. ;)

Apollyon X
Minmatar
The Hoodie Mafia
Cosa Nostra.
Posted - 2007.01.16 22:08:00 - [41]
 

I went to my old home system of gulmorogod, 1 jump from amamake a couple days ago. It was full of pirates, the whole area seems alot more infested then it was when I was last there. There doesn't seem to be too many civilians though so I think its time to start pirating other pirates.

Felinuszzz
Caldari
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2007.01.17 01:18:00 - [42]
 

I'll tell you what the problem is.

It's 2 month old characters going straight to Battleships, and blobbing.

Hard to do much when after a kill or two you are camped -IN- in by a huge blob of newbs in Battleships, complete with fifteen battleship-sized NOS.


Rockbox
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2007.01.17 06:37:00 - [43]
 

When compared to what it was a year ago, its dead, and has been for a while...

PCaBoo
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.01.17 07:19:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: deeper throat

First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months.

Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people".

Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7?

Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time?

Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them.

Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully.

I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk.

Well, now I'm 0.0 and I like it. But I would have been here much earlier if I wasn't scared off by getting wtfinstapwned for absolutely no reason.

Conclusio:

It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name.


There are very few gatecamps in Egghelende anymore. It's just not worth the risk vs reward. So called PvP'ers love to fight under protection of sentry fire and blobs. I was actually admonished for half an hour in local by a group of players when I brought out my dominix to fight their 5 battlecruisers and recons at the station... sorry getting off track.
Anyways, there really is no reward worth coming to low-sec, besides the thrill of fighting others, pirates or otherwise.

Redglare's Demise
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.01.17 07:23:00 - [45]
 

No reward except the thrill of fighting others? Why do you think I play this game (and many others like me)?

PCaBoo
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:59:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Redglare's Demise
No reward except the thrill of fighting others? Why do you think I play this game (and many others like me)?

I meant people who don't care for the PvP part of EvE. I enjoy blowing things up as much as the next guy. I have to admit, I spend a lot more time griefing than actual pirating. Which is evident in my wallet hovering at dangerously low levels atm. =[

Logi3
Posted - 2007.01.17 09:21:00 - [47]
 

In my previous corp it was choose an alliance or corp and go after then. Worked very well.

On my first character when i used to be in Killer Clowns from Outter Space... Those days are over and i agree. Sometimes, it would be a laugh to gate gamp. Esp when you get the likes of Celest Apoc comming in to get rid of you!

Haleuth
Amarr
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:01:00 - [48]
 

Whats more sad is respected pvp'ers/pirates complaining that theres no targets in low sec or its to hard to get a kill these days !!!

You guys need to adapt and change or you'll end up high sec mission running lol.

Some advice for ya if your having problems-

1) Use the galactic map and select the deadspace option.
2) Select a nice system that has a low sec complex in it.
3) Get the keys for the complex (taking note of the damage type dealt by the rats).
4) Grab a cloaked ship (Pilgrim works well).
5) Sit in the complex and wait for an unsuspecting player to come in.
6) Pop his ship, collect his mods, make a tidy sum.
7) Rinse and repeat.

Now, what is so difficult about doing that?Rolling Eyes

PCaBoo
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:03:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Haleuth
Whats more sad is respected pvp'ers/pirates complaining that theres no targets in low sec or its to hard to get a kill these days !!!

You guys need to adapt and change or you'll end up high sec mission running lol.

Some advice for ya if your having problems-

1) Use the galactic map and select the deadspace option.
2) Select a nice system that has a low sec complex in it.
3) Get the keys for the complex (taking note of the damage type dealt by the rats).
4) Grab a cloaked ship (Pilgrim works well).
5) Sit in the complex and wait for an unsuspecting player to come in.
6) Pop his ship, collect his mods, make a tidy sum.
7) Rinse and repeat.

Now, what is so difficult about doing that?Rolling Eyes

lol considering how heavily camped complexes are around where I am, i'd say it's fairly difficult.

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:43:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus
As well maybe i should point out that a true pirate (-one that doesnt use alts for money making and everythign else) is supposed to be poor, to make do with his skills and some poor ship until he gets loot for something better. And i dont think that there are ANY TrUE pirates left out there. Could be wrong though, point them out to me, and i'll send my naked photo and an app to join them.


I am looking forward to photoshopping your picture and sticking it on the net.

Thanks.

Jebe Noyon
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:46:00 - [51]
 

I managed to catch 3 Hulks last month - nice iskies, some T2 fitted battleships, recons - you gotta love damper Arbi with T2 hammers. Very Happy

But now that peeps know me and my fellas, they usaully dock when they see one of us in local. Or if you find a mining op it's totally untouchable. Last time I saw some bear mining op it consisted of few covetors, retrieves and some 20 defenders in ships ranging from Vexors and Thoraxes to BBs, Brutixes and Scorps. Now how can you take that in your Arbi? Another thing - every one is still stabbed like hell - 2 days ago my mate in Lachesis and me in my beloved Arbi scrammed a Domi in 0.3 system and he warped out - WTF?!!! 2 points and he still warped (the guy was one and a half years old NPCing frigs inna BS with 2 stabs). There are as well some nice plex systems where iskie farmers (usually nicknamed exxxxde, ffhgrhs, a mei, a pei or 43432473gjjff) sit 24/7 and completely ignore few men gangs, but if you gather a nice gang of battleships, then they dock - now how much more annoying can that be? And bears really get angry on you cuz you kill em in lowsec (not to mention nice hate convos or mails threatening to kill me and **** me dog lol). last time I undocked, got ganked by two sensor boosting Feroxes and a Chimera. How much someone has to be ****ed to call in a carrier to pwn a T1 cruiser? That's how I live in lowsec - one week you make 400kk another week you have 5 mill in your wallet and try to sell/recycle all that crap in your assets which is SO friggin boring. Then you start thinking about joining Privateers, but wtf you have -9.7 sec status and ratting in 0.2 is kinda paintfull and might seriously harm one's health.

It's great being a scoundrel, ain't it? LaughingYARRRR!!

ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.01.17 16:28:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jebe Noyon
- every one is still stabbed like hell -


Yeah!! isn't it just sad? ugh

Jebe Noyon
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.01.17 16:44:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
Originally by: Jebe Noyon
- every one is still stabbed like hell -


Yeah!! isn't it just sad? ugh


Tell me about it. Laughing

We have this old saying which would literally sound like this - "if you are afraid of the wolf, don't go to the woods". Now in EVE it should sound like this - "if you are afraid of the wolf, tank that scumbag with wcs". ugh

My m8 has bumpamydon with 2 x 20km points and yet sometimes he has to constantly bump his targets, cuz they somehow manage to warp to the next belt in panic. Laughing

jimmyjam
Gallente
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
Posted - 2007.01.17 17:34:00 - [54]
 

lo sec piracy is not dead for sure.Maybe you just hang out in the wrong places.Placid is alive and well with plenty of targets.Twisted Evil

Neon Genesis
GoonFleet
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:07:00 - [55]
 

About sec. I recently went down to -10 again (3rd time? can't remember) and then back up. IMO it's just not worth it, theres plenty to do in 0.0, and I don't keep an alt so it's just convenient to be able to buy ships.

Changes have made things harder and harder recently.

Rail Duke
The Likely Lads
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:08:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: jimmyjam
lo sec piracy is not dead for sure.Maybe you just hang out in the wrong places.Placid is alive and well with plenty of targets.Twisted Evil

shhhhhhhhhhhYARRRR!!

Ironnight
x13
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:44:00 - [57]
 

Sec status is the worst, it goes down so fast and takes forever to get up and there are too few targets in low sec.

We turned to high sec wars, but we still need to learn how to find good targets, we figured a corp with 50-60 members would give us some targets, but most of them are inaktive, the few that have played long enough to be able to make it interesting havent been willing to take part in the wars, leaving us with mostly new players as targets, which is not much fun, we allready ended one war, a few of the members in that corp did fight back, but they had not played long enough to know much about PVP, but they had guts enough to try, which you just have to respect!

We did plan on ending the second war, but now they hired, what seems to be a good merc corp, to attack us, so maybe we will get more then we hoped for.

We are a very small corp, which we feel limits our options in 0.0, (3-4 aktive pilots)but we will see, thats whats so great about EVE, there is allways something to do, you just have to figure out what it is Laughing

Portios Smith
DNR
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:50:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Rockbox
When compared to what it was a year ago, its dead, and has been for a while...


I Agree


Limited Slip
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.17 19:28:00 - [59]
 

I think that the more everyone (carebears, antis, CCP) want to make living harder for pirates the more they increase the prestige of true pirates. All aspects of the game require substantial efforts from players, so does piracy.

So chances are the less you see red blinking, the more affraid you should be!

Slip

Janus Duo
Gallente
Down In Flames
Posted - 2007.01.17 19:58:00 - [60]
 

Whoa who whoa!

Losec piracy dead? Maybe gatecamping got nerfed, but warp to 0 actually helps those hunting ratters as the dumb ratters always warp to 0, which puts you right on top of em. I just started this char, he's 2 weeks old pirating for 2 days and I've already taken down 3 AFs (and many t1 cruisers and frigs) with him, mainly because WTZ put me right in web/nos range of them. You no longer need a MWD or AB to catch those targets who warp to 15 from the other side of the warp in point than you do. If anything it is a boost to belt ratter hunters, many of whom don't have the tank to tank sentries anyhow! Sure, those nasty gate to gate haulers get away, but you were only gonna take em on at a gate anyhow, and only in a well skilled BC or BS. People are still catchable on the warpout by sensor boosted ships too I hear. If that fails try Lanfear's Banes trick with remote repping a inty/AF with good sig resolution.

Where there's a will there's a way!


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