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Freaky Bare
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:45:00 - [31]
 

I guess I just don't see Eve as a min/max kind of game. I chose Minnie's after several trial runs (with trial accts) because they are FUN to fly! I loved the look of a Rifter. It looks exactly like it flys. I now fly a Cyclone and a Jaguar for PVP. Both awesome ships that look great as well.

Minnie's have a certain design philosophy. If you think you would like them - use them. I don't think they are the 'best' ships to fly in most situations, but they are rarely the 'worst' either.

Snake Jankins
Minmatar
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Snake Jankins on 16/01/2007 12:47:24
Originally by: Freaky Bare
I guess I just don't see Eve as a min/max kind of game. I chose Minnie's after several trial runs (with trial accts) because they are FUN to fly! I loved the look of a Rifter. It looks exactly like it flys. I now fly a Cyclone and a Jaguar for PVP. Both awesome ships that look great as well.

Minnie's have a certain design philosophy. If you think you would like them - use them. I don't think they are the 'best' ships to fly in most situations, but they are rarely the 'worst' either.


Yes, agree, picked that race in my first trial, loved already the rifter and when I came back to eve I wanted that again. Then I've got another minnie and then I made a female minnie for a change. Laughing

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [33]
 


There are two reasons actually. First since you're "born" with certain racial ship piloting skills Caldari are the majority.

But who wants to be a slave? Very Happy Thus so few Minnie ships.

Secondly and perhaps most critical its supply and demand. Not for ships but for duct tape. A shortage of duct tape has caused the decline in Minnie ship numbers! Very Happy

Archie Very Happy

Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Emptiness.
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:54:00 - [34]
 

There are more Gallente and Minmatar because the girls in teh pictures on race selection are HOTTER!

Just because of that!

Fullerton
Minmatar
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:04:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Amiable Quinn
Minimatar are very skill intensive because of the diversity of ship types and even within ship types.

To really fly all Minimatar ships effectively you need:

Armor Tanking skills
Shield Tanking skills
Gunnery skills (especially high AWU)
Missile skills
Drone skills
Miscellaneous e-war skills


To fly Caldari effectively you need:
Shield tanking skills
Missile skills

When you trian Minimatar there is a great temptation to cross train another race because you can hop into their ships with our skills and be effective quicker.


Very true Minimatar are more speced to train, and if you look at the old pvpers Minimatar wins all the way, instead of lock and loading being a calderi care bare mission runner.Razz

Linda Lips
Posted - 2007.01.17 03:31:00 - [36]
 

Nice to know there are more Minmatar out there than i first suspected Very Happy Ive been in empire too long. I see what people mean about needing a large cross section of skills..... I still have a long ways to go to be proficient with all the ships.

Letouk Mernel
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.17 03:57:00 - [37]
 

Well, for PVP'ers or people who come to the game just to shoot things up, all races are equal if you're a newbie and don't really know much about the game. However, if you're looking for an elite-style trading and industry type of game (and you're a newbie and don't know much about the game), I don't know how many would want to bother with the whole Minmatar-Amarr thing, so I guess the neutral-sounding Caldari and Gallente get picked.

Suppose you're minding your own business when suddenly someone you don't know opens a chat window and calls you a slave; clearly they want to RP, and you don't want to break their immersion or whatever, but how can you take up arms if you're a mining, newbie char?

I guess most people who are looking to PVP will pick a Minmatar, but look at the Empire population vs. the lowsec or 0.0 population... just how many people are looking to PVP in this game? Most would rather avoid it, and that includes not picking a race where you can be taunted / goaded into PVP by roleplayed remarks.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.17 04:08:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Gallente has almost as many turret and armor tanking ships as Amarr. I don't know how they are the easier race to play.


The Dominix comes to mind. Neutral


Dominix is rubbish at PvE- drone shipps struggle with all missions, as Drones don't agro sensibly. some missions are just impossible in a drone ship.

They have their moments in PvP (Nos domi comes to mind) but they can't do everything (one of the worst sniping ships in the game). While its true Nos domis are a bit of a corker, I'd hardly call it playing on easy mode.

Lydisa Ekmar
Amarr
Posted - 2007.01.17 07:08:00 - [39]
 

Many of the Minmater are still enslaved Wink I personally don't like the design of the Minmatar ships. Steering a junk pile into battle was not my idea of a good time. But, that is just me. I personally chose the Amarr for RP elements and those wicked armored monsters w/ laser vision.

hotgirl933
Posted - 2007.01.17 07:12:00 - [40]
 

the jove are coming the jove are coming ( one day anyway)

Lydisa Ekmar
Amarr
Posted - 2007.01.17 07:15:00 - [41]
 

^^^ Yah which will ruin their mysterious Uberness IMO.

Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:10:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov
You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory!


I do not think that is true .
Its just that many of us minmatar are hermits and try to keep to our self.
we are all over eve doing all type of things.


hotgirl933
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:11:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov
You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory!


I do not think that is true .
Its just that many of us minmatar are hermits and try to keep to our self.
we are all over eve doing all type of things.




good point

Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:12:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Linda Lips
Ive been playing for nearly a year now and i rarely see any Minmatar ships flying around. I must have seen less than 25 overall. Are there really so few of us? If so, why?!?!!


log in to the minmatar empire chat we like our minmatar sisters and brothers to drop in and chat.

WinkCool

Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:16:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Archbishop

There are two reasons actually. First since you're "born" with certain racial ship piloting skills Caldari are the majority.

But who wants to be a slave? Very Happy Thus so few Minnie ships.

Secondly and perhaps most critical its supply and demand. Not for ships but for duct tape. A shortage of duct tape has caused the decline in Minnie ship numbers! Very Happy

Archie Very Happy



Watch it you silly Amarr PIE Inc.
Do not forget how a group of people Rob your belts and got your PIE Inc. smack talking other corps and fighting for your corp to find out in the end it was Hilabana that had your Belts rob and got you so up set lol Laughing

Toramp
Posted - 2007.01.17 08:18:00 - [46]
 

Me minny :) just started this char main I cald though 3 years old I chose Cald after reading all the backstorys they sounded so cool :)

Teinyhr
Minmatar
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
Posted - 2007.01.17 09:29:00 - [47]
 

Another Matar reporting for duty o/
I've been playing Minmatar for roughly about a year now, and partly because of it I'm a jack-of-all-trades.. For now. I chose the race because I liked the feeling of being an "underdog of the galaxy", because I figured, if Matar is as crappy as it sounds, I'd be more respected if I was good with it.

And yes it's true, Minmatar doesn't sound very appealing in the character creation screen.
But in Minmatar space (For example regions Heimatar, Molden Heath, Metropolis) there are lots of Minnies around - not all fly Minnie ships all the time. But looking at the local chat window, ah, it feels so like home with a few ugly Amarrians here and there chanting pages of Pax Amarria.

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:16:00 - [48]
 

Brutor and proud baby--hear me ROAR Very Happy

Seriously though-it takes time to really get a Minmatar to shine. At over 5 months in-game the versatility is really starting to pay excellent dividends in terms of surviving and sheer fun Very Happy

And being thought of as an underdog is kinda cool too.

As for the OP: Not sure where you have been flying to only see 25 Minmatar ships in a year. Flavors of the month come and go...maybe you need to travel a bit more Cool

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:25:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/01/2007 10:27:11
Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Gallente has almost as many turret and armor tanking ships as Amarr. I don't know how they are the easier race to play.


The Dominix comes to mind. Neutral


You have a vague idea of the million Sp in bugged drones you need to make a Dominix perform?

As a character choice:
first one Gallente, as they are the democratic one (general description, a bid of dubt after the election Smile)
second: Achur (Caldari), liked the look
third: Minmatar (I needed a specific R&D corporation)

So I think that at first the choice is based on background and look, lather on play mechanics.

It would be interesting to know the ratio of character retention, i.e. how much of the first character used in play then become the main or one of the main character used, and how many are substituted by more play effective characters.

Arthe Xavier
Minmatar
The Plexus Syndicate
The Order of New Eden
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:38:00 - [50]
 

*Another Minmatar enters the thread*

I chose the race due to its harsh past - I like the idea that my character has had a really rough time. He is coming to terms with his past actions, and is starting life from a fresh plate in a newly-bought Rifter. And yes, brothers and sisters, in a way we *are* the underdogs of the galaxy, and that is a big plus as far as I am concerned. We haven't been spoon-fed, you know. ;)

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.01.17 10:39:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/01/2007 10:37:06

I still think minnie is exactly what everybody told me when I first started playing: a real challenge where player skill is more important than the ship itself.

I used to obsess about dps numbers compared to the other races, but eventually you realize that it doesnt matter. If you dont get hit, tanking doesnt matter, and if you hit them, their tanking will fail in the end.

Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
Posted - 2007.01.17 11:01:00 - [52]
 

OP playing in Kisogo or somewhere?

My main is Gallente and after a while used some Caldari ships to npc in ... and now I find with just a few days training ship and gun skills I can hop into a minnie ship and be decent enough. One of the main attractions of this is that a lot of Minnie ships are cheep cheep cheep (not Jag/Vaga ofc) ...

Luke Pubcrawler
Posted - 2007.01.17 12:57:00 - [53]
 

Although Gallente my main ships these days are Minmatar. I fly the odd Amarr and run Empire missions in Caldari when I have to, but my day to day ships are all Minny.

My character started as Gallente as that was what my friends were and not really understanding how the universe worked we stuck together. However I never really cared for the goody goody backstory, the lumpy, ugly green ships, or in my early mission running days for Blasters. so I started experimenting with other races. Caldari were a no brainer for missioning, but Minmatar and Amarr where more fun.

Now I rat happily in my Typhoon and have my Hurricane sitting ready for PvP. In 0.0 minny ships are far from rare - in drone country where I am at the minute they are maybe the single most common race.

Iyanah
Minmatar
Tuikoax
Posted - 2007.01.17 13:13:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Dao 2
if u live in empire ull see fewer if u live in .0 ull see a fair number ;p theyre not awesome pve ships because they have crap for tank but theyre fair pvp ;)


i dunno about that, they cyclone can tank for ages. not as good as the drake, mind you.

there's an abundance of minmatar ships in the minmatar regions of empire. ships of choice tend to be:

mammoth
Cyclone
Tempest
Rifter

and the tech 2 variants where applicable. the rest of the minmatar ships are about, thrasher is reasonably popular, for example, but those 4 are the most frequently seen.

Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.17 13:50:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Ryoji Tanakama on 17/01/2007 13:51:30
I think its just the fact that the 'avatar heads' for Caldari and Gallente (males for certain but to an extent females too) look a lot better than the old wrinkly Amarr and the somewhat thuggish, weather-worn Minmatar.

I picked Caldari cus I liked the way my head turned out (after toying with all the races and bloodlines). I specialise in shield tanking, can fit an excellent tech 2 armour tank too and have far more SP in gunnery than missiles despite using a raven for mission running for months and months.

I should point out though that one of my goals is to fly all tech 1 ships for each race with the exception of industrials; simply because I like the variety and the difference in playstyle.

Amarr ships, particularly the Abaddon (with support) and the Apocalypse (with an old-style dual-repper perma-tank) are still absolutely awesome for missions. Minmatar are a lot trickier to master, but this is 50% player ability and 50% character skills. In the end though, the minmatar flexibility and diversity is their biggest strength.

Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
Posted - 2007.01.17 13:52:00 - [56]
 

Because it takes work to be a good minmatar pilot. Its not all F1-F8 and train just these skills and you are good. Minmatar pilots have to think Wink

Thalist Kahn
Posted - 2007.01.17 13:59:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Thalist Kahn on 17/01/2007 13:57:35
Edited by: Thalist Kahn on 17/01/2007 13:57:06
erm, not many minnie ships? 0.0 pirates love them, sepecially the nanophoon Wink

minmatar ships used to be the gods of small-scale PvP (and the tempest was good for fleets), the trade off being that they need a large amount of skill specialisation to be truly effecive. for example, a raven can be flown reasonably well (for PvE at least) with about 4-5mil SP, whereas a minnie ship like the typhoon needs about 7-9mil SP to be respectable, and 12+ to be truly good

there is also the entertainment value to consider. with a raven all you do is lock, F1-F7, kill, repeat over and over. With minnie ships you need to actually maneuver and use speed and cunning to be truly effective (at least, until the whiners get nanos nerfed aswell). Minnie ships may not be as efficient or as accessible, but the "fun" quotient goes through the roof (rifter is a prime example of this, magnificent ship)

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.01.17 14:00:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: 50freefly on 17/01/2007 14:03:54
Edited by: 50freefly on 17/01/2007 14:01:23
I put a LOT of thought into choosing my race and in the end picked Caldari because at the time I wanted to be a trader (I honestly have no idea what I was doing, I know I wasn't drunk so...) and Caldari backstory and Deteis stats suited that profession, and looked cool to boot. However, I ended up being a combat pilot that flies Gallente blaster ships (Because they are so much fun), so... Laughing

If I had to do it again I am not sure what I'd pick, though it likely would not be Achura, just because I couldn't stand playing such an ugly bloodline (I'm an RPer). Wish it would have occured to me to pick a good RP name... Although I have found a way to make this name work... (Callsigns ftw =))

If the mysterious ! race had been selectable when I created my character I almost certainly would have chosen that instead, with such a rich backstory it's hard to resist...

"In the beginning of time, there was a portrait generating machine. However, people whined and the machine got taken away. Now the people all look like big !'s. Everyone accused them of being noobs, and they were, because no ! could have played the game long enough to know anything!"

But anyways I've found that I'm Matari at heart, as are most people in my corp... Very Happy

Anyways try coming to Metropolis lots of Matari ships here...

Matevainat
Skill Level Six
Ground Zeero
Posted - 2007.01.17 14:03:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Matevainat on 17/01/2007 14:00:20
Edited by: Matevainat on 17/01/2007 13:59:40
oops, alt-post above *puts on a dunce cap and stands in the corner*

this is Matevainat here, not thalist khan

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.17 14:06:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov
You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory!


We SHALL overcome. our ships arent as advanced as others but years of living under Caldari and Amarian slave masters have given us the knowledge of weaponry and ship systems of yours and our own knowlegde of gunpowder and afterburner technology make our ships fully equipped.

Live in the "state" or in the stink of the "empire" and you shall not see us. come to Matari Space and feel the full force of our awesome power.

I shall fly the flag of our forefathers


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