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Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:39:00 - [1]
 

I am writing this after, once again, losing 5 ogre II because the game suddenly decides to CTD me, and the NPCs were grateful enough to pop my drones.

I am trying to keep calm about the problems with drones but after so many years I am about ready to go on a rampage with a nasty post, but I will stay calm Wink. When are the issues with drones and the blaring problems with them ever going to be addressed and fixed?

Here is a small list:

1) We still have drones that randomly pick targets. Why can this not be fixed? Why must I baby sit my drones all the way to the target with the attack command? Seriously, this is getting to be too much.

2) Drones got majorly shafted with the ship HP increase, but there is no response at all about raising drone hps. Are there any plans to increase drone hps? Drones were easy enough to insta pop before ships were increased in hps across the board.

3) If a player CTDs or goes LD while fighting NPCs with drones then the drones are dead. Fix this! Make the drones stop attacking the NPCs if the player warps out (CTDs, LDs...etc) and make the NPCs stop attacking the drones.

4) There are still missions that count drones as an extra player, which in turns agros the entire dead space pocket. It is CCPs goal to have mission runners fly other ships then the Raven, right?

5) Drone controls in the UI are just horrible. No bind able commands and no hotkeys for drones in... what, 3 years now?

6) Drones are still getting stuck on each other.

etc....

Throw us drone users a bone here.

D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:42:00 - [2]
 

be glad you dont have to use fighters.... which also didnt get a hp incease even though a bs can pretty much tank 13 of them for a good 5mins

X99 Z990
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:45:00 - [3]
 

Drones AI is terrible we need a few more commands and behavior things for them like all attack the same target and dont attack anything unless they are told to and ECM drones still return at their orbit velocity rather than actual velocity which is annoying.

A fair few problems with drones that need fixing.

I dont see how the HP increase nerfed drones anymore, drones should be easy to kill or they have no real weakness, if they increased the health to a point where they wouldnt be easy to kill then people wouldnt kill them anyway.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:46:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Valandril on 15/01/2007 07:43:49
Re up: U will notice when in domini with drone druability 4 and stuff ur t2 heavy drone instapop. Drone is our primary weapon.

Every plex tract drones as extra player == whole room what is not nice =_=
And i'm very very very signed, ccp fix drones. What is point on loosing drones to npcs ?
Also boost theyr hp, reduce signature, cruiser signature on heavy drone is one big joke =_=

X99 Z990
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: X99 Z990 on 15/01/2007 07:44:09
--- double post

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:49:00 - [6]
 

Also, the ECM drones especially the webbers ones need a speed boost with all these nanoships around.

X99 Z990
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:52:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Also, the ECM drones especially the webbers ones need a speed boost with all these nanoships around.
Other way round i think, nano ships need nerfing.

Reminds me of double AB/MWD setups of the old days.

Snikkt
Khargon Munitions
Posted - 2007.01.15 07:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: X99 Z990
Originally by: Sokratesz
Also, the ECM drones especially the webbers ones need a speed boost with all these nanoships around.
Other way round i think, nano ships need nerfing.

Reminds me of double AB/MWD setups of the old days.


Or that horrible Scorpion with 8 MWD's?

Vicious Phoenix
Posted - 2007.01.15 08:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: X99 Z990
Reminds me of double AB/MWD setups of the old days.

In the words of a WoW player (I'm not one btw) L2P n00b

Seriously though, nano ships aren't that hard to counter, especially the domi for the reasons the OP stated with drone issues.

Sanzorz
Amarr
Mark Of Chaos
Posted - 2007.01.15 08:07:00 - [10]
 

I would really just like an added bonus on drones rank 5 or something, that forces your drones to return to bay when you're going to warp. Bloody annoying to pick them up again :-P

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.01.15 08:33:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 15/01/2007 08:32:57
Edited by: Andrue on 15/01/2007 08:31:24
Originally by: Tribunal
I am writing this after, once again, losing 5 ogre II because the game suddenly decides to CTD me, and the NPCs were grateful enough to pop my drones.

I am trying to keep calm about the problems with drones but after so many years I am about ready to go on a rampage with a nasty post, but I will stay calm Wink. When are the issues with drones and the blaring problems with them ever going to be addressed and fixed?

Here is a small list:

1) We still have drones that randomly pick targets. Why can this not be fixed? Why must I baby sit my drones all the way to the target with the attack command? Seriously, this is getting to be too much.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'd like to see drones acting as a single group and always going after the same target rather than each one picking its own target - is that what you mean?

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2) Drones got majorly shafted with the ship HP increase, but there is no response at all about raising drone hps. Are there any plans to increase drone hps? Drones were easy enough to insta pop before ships were increased in hps across the board.

When fighting NPCs don't release the drones until all the NPCs in range have targetted you. I haven't lost any drones in several months.

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3) If a player CTDs or goes LD while fighting NPCs with drones then the drones are dead. Fix this! Make the drones stop attacking the NPCs if the player warps out (CTDs, LDs...etc) and make the NPCs stop attacking the drones.
Fix your machine. Actually I had to warp out in early November when I forgot to reset the timer on my power socket on a day off. I came back to find all my drones floating around waiting for me. The NPCs hadn't touched them.

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4) There are still missions that count drones as an extra player, which in turns agros the entire dead space pocket. It is CCPs goal to have mission runners fly other ships then the Raven, right?
Yeah, that's a bit crappy.

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5) Drone controls in the UI are just horrible. No bind able commands and no hotkeys for drones in... what, 3 years now?
I'm not too fussed about that myself but any criticism of Eve's UI is usually well founded.

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6) Drones are still getting stuck on each other.

Never seen that myself.

Overall I don't have any major problems with drones. They seem to do what I tell them and they do it well. It maybe a skills issue in that these problems may only manifest themselves with poor drone skills. An example of that is switching targets. My drones usually pop whatever I've assigned to them in less than a minute so if they target switching bug occurs after that I will never see them.

My only major complaintt about drones is that I've never known them automatically defend me. Sure, once I've told them to attack something they will move on to other target but I always have to tell them to start attacking. Other people say that drones will automatically go after anything that starts firing on you but mine don't.

Jin Freaks
Posted - 2007.01.15 08:47:00 - [12]
 

Then u don't use them enough mate. I allways have to click the engage target 3 times only to find out that there still are only 4 drones on one target.
There is nothing wrong with my machine AMD 3800 + gyg ram etc etc and I have at least 4 CTDs a week. About the drones being alive after CTDing: sometimes they survive and sometimes they get fried. No idea what triggers it.
To state that this is a skillwise problem makes me ROFL because I have over 5 mil in drones and can sign all of these problems.

Soooooo
/SIGNED

Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2007.01.15 08:56:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jin Freaks
Then u don't use them enough mate. I allways have to click the engage target 3 times only to find out that there still are only 4 drones on one target.
There is nothing wrong with my machine AMD 3800 + gyg ram etc etc and I have at least 4 CTDs a week. About the drones being alive after CTDing: sometimes they survive and sometimes they get fried. No idea what triggers it.
To state that this is a skillwise problem makes me ROFL because I have over 5 mil in drones and can sign all of these problems.

Soooooo
/SIGNED


Jin beat me to a reply.

If you haven't seen, or suffered, these problems then you haven't used drones for any extended period of time.

Max Kentarii
Gallente
Nordic Endeavour
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:02:00 - [14]
 

I have less problem with in-obidient drones when using T2 medium or small. It's when I use my T2 Ogres that they go wandering off by themselves. You kill one BS 44km from your ship and send them off to a different direction to kill another and 15-20km before they reach their target, they suddenly go "idle" in overview for half a second, then try to attack another target. If you don't babysit them all their way to their target, you'll end up with 5 drones on 5 targets even though you've told them to engage a specific target.

Overview also needs some love, but there's already a thread for that in the features/suggestions forums.
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Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:09:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Max Kentarii
Overview also needs some love, but there's already a thread for that in the features/suggestions forums.
Linkage


With no dev reply to it. I've seen another thread where someone had a good drone UI and it got no response either (he had pictures as well).

Tisanta
Amarr
Stargazer Exploration Company
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:18:00 - [16]
 

i find the auto targeting quite good for mission running.. prehaps ccp shouldnt limit us drone users to 3 commands... maybe give us more options such as:

orbit target
engage at will
hold fire
return fire
activate mwd/ diactivate


give my babies some love please
also you missed out light drones refusing to dock in the bay.. that really pis-ses me off when im flying around in my pilgrim in structure waiting on my drones to dock so i can warp.. instead they sit 2km away like little shi-ts.

+ give us t2 sentrys... please we deserve them since all other races have t2 long range weapons.. i want mine.

Feek
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:46:00 - [17]
 

Ogres are the worst, someone in this thread already stated that they often get part way to their target and then wander off elsewhere. I've only had this particular problem with Ogres. Awful things, I quite simply won't use them any more.

R'adeh
Gallente
Storm Solutions
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:56:00 - [18]
 

Signed.

I've asked about a drone HP increase a while ago and haven't seen any news on it since then. Now that fights take longer, I guess I just have to live with the fact that the enemy ship will kill all my drones before the fight is over without breaking a sweat...great Rolling Eyes And since drones are often my main offense, I think it's hilarious to just sit there without offense after 1-2min and die a horribly slow death.

And yeah, Ogres are weird. They seem to chose another target than me on purpose. I also don't get why sometimes 3 drones attack instantly, while 2 others move to the target at 25m/s. CCP decreased the max number of drones to 5, shouldn't that ensure that at least basic commands work??


Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Feek
Ogres are the worst, someone in this thread already stated that they often get part way to their target and then wander off elsewhere. I've only had this particular problem with Ogres. Awful things, I quite simply won't use them any more.


It's the same with all drones, if they cannot attack the assigned target after a while, they will switch to a closer target. Ogres are just the slowest of them all, so it happens more often that they chase their targets for XX seconds (or just approach) and cannot engage, so they switch.

Hithero Wolf
Caldari
Polaris Rising
Strip Mining Club
Posted - 2007.01.15 10:53:00 - [20]
 

Well, the HP increase is there to prolong combat.
Giving drones etc more damage would kind of negate the HP increase.

Sanzorz
Amarr
Mark Of Chaos
Posted - 2007.01.15 11:12:00 - [21]
 

The drones are rather weird sometimes. Yesterday I did a mission where the drones went aggressive on a scanner building >_<

R'adeh
Gallente
Storm Solutions
Posted - 2007.01.15 11:14:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Hithero Wolf
Well, the HP increase is there to prolong combat.
Giving drones etc more damage would kind of negate the HP increase.



Not asking for a DAMAGE increase, just for a HP increase so they don't die long before the battle is even over...

Buster Terrik
Warhamsters
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.01.15 11:16:00 - [23]
 

what can i say...

/signed x1000 times

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.01.15 11:20:00 - [24]
 

The drones with the most problems:

ogre 2, wondering off and engaging targets on its own, sometimes handy when you are jammed though Razz

warrior 2, I cant remember when i scooped these drones using the UI, they allways stop 1.8k away and you need to fly towards them to pick em up. Very stupid when you need to get out fast...


Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.01.15 11:29:00 - [25]
 

Personally, what I would like is that your drones always act as single unit and do not split up on different targets. Also, being able to prioritize their targets ("attack only frigates" for example) wouldn't be too much to ask IMO.

And the drone issues in missions is something which should be fixed.

Torem
Gallente
Omnipotence Optional
Posted - 2007.01.15 11:39:00 - [26]
 

/SIGNED

Especially to the improved drone interface and having drones act as a single unit.

Drek Grapper
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.01.15 12:16:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Aramendel
Personally, what I would like is that your drones always act as single unit and do not split up on different targets. Also, being able to prioritize their targets ("attack only frigates" for example) wouldn't be too much to ask IMO.

And the drone issues in missions is something which should be fixed.


I agree. I like the 'attack *insert ship type*' idea. And working as a unit. I would always want my drones on one target only, but with options to split them (ie right click drone...send it to attack something else)

And please give them bigger ears...they just don't listen to me most of the time! Reminds me of an errant toddler. Rolling Eyes

Spoony Brook
Filiolus Of Bellum
Warp to Desktop
Posted - 2007.01.15 12:47:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Spoony Brook on 15/01/2007 12:47:13
Edited by: Spoony Brook on 15/01/2007 12:46:20
Originally by: Tisanta
i find the auto targeting quite good for mission running.. prehaps ccp shouldnt limit us drone users to 3 commands... maybe give us more options such as:

orbit target
engage at will
hold fire
return fire
activate mwd/ diactivate


give my babies some love please
also you missed out light drones refusing to dock in the bay.. that really pis-ses me off when im flying around in my pilgrim in structure waiting on my drones to dock so i can warp.. instead they sit 2km away like little shi-ts.

+ give us t2 sentrys... please we deserve them since all other races have t2 long range weapons.. i want mine.


man i would love it if i could just get my drones to orbit a target without it being me or attack it...

plus warriors are a real pain in the arse for returning to drone bay as mentioned above and the auto change target that ogres do is just plain annoying, more so when theres two of them stuck togther flying off in a random direction...

drones need the love mmmkay

EDIT: don't make us spam 65 pages or so like the Deimos thread or even more like the Amarr one... because i will do it RazzTwisted Evil

Lord Vigil
Underworld Protection Agency
The Crimson Federation
Posted - 2007.01.15 14:14:00 - [29]
 

/Signed

Liberius Deep
Black-Sun
Frontal Impact
Posted - 2007.01.15 14:25:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Liberius Deep on 15/01/2007 14:22:59
/Signed^e99

I weekly lose drones to ctd crashes (on both a laptop or a desktop), and at 4M (0.0) per hammerhead2 x 5 thats an annoying amount of isk. 1/10 I warp back and find that my drones killed the npc bs, but mostly they are dead. Why not let them emergency warp away like the player on a CTD?
As for the rest yes to all, drones need more luving!


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