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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2007.01.16 05:58:00 - [61]
 

why does everyone always forget E.E. Doc Smith's Lensman Series?

Shauuri
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.01.16 06:19:00 - [62]
 

I know it's been mentioned before, but I have to say that Dan Simmons' Hyperion novels and his Illum series (can't wait for the 3rd book!) are among the best SF I've read. Of course, Dune remains to this day the finest of the bunch; I;m working my way through the "prequel" novels right now and loving them.

Risien Drogonne
Shadow Gypsies
R i s e
Posted - 2007.01.16 08:37:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: D'Mur Pilru
Lest we forgot Arthur C. Clarke, old but ever good. And Orson Scott Cards 'Ender' series rocks as well. (as does the side novel Enders Shadow)


Although it has absolutely nothing similar to EVE at all, "Ender's Game" was definitely one of my favorite sci-fi novels.

Vaslav Tchitcherine
The White Visitation
Posted - 2007.01.16 10:23:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: Spartaen

Night's Dawn trilogy > all.


Oh yes. 3000+ pages ending in a deus ex machina. I never knew a greater disappointment.


++++

An epic and exquisite setup for nothing but a truly terrible pun. Crushing disappointment. If I ever meet the man I will punch him in the face. Or maybe frown at him. Either way, he will rue the day.

On topic:

Joan Vinge's Cat books present an interesting, highly-corporatized future that is no doubt what the Caldari State looks like from a citizen's-eye-view. She is Vernor's ex-wife, and his superior as a writer (though A Fire.. and A Deepness.., already mentioned, are excellent).

Some people have mentioned fantasy books. The most Eve-like fantasy of any quality I can mention is Steven Brust's too-often overlooked Vlad Taltos series. Of a similar dark bent to Eve, and very good (and very, very bloody), is Steven Erikson's series.

Also, it's surprising how many people don't know how to spell their favourite authors' names.

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2007.01.16 10:23:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
why does everyone always forget E.E. Doc Smith's Lensman Series?


Because some of us are reluctant to reveal just how old we actually are Cool

As in:

Phillip K. ****-"Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep" which was the basis for the amazing Blade Runner movie (I still have the PC game just for the Vangelis sound track. And if you buy the DVD-make sure it has the alternative endings). Anything else by PKD is also mind blowing.

Walter Miller-"A Canticle For Leibowitz"

Ray Bradbury-Anything he wrote. More about the human side of sci-fi.

Robert Heinlein-Been mentioned before. "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" is my favorite.

Gregory Benford-Another scientist turned sci-fi writer. The "Galactic Center" series is a gem.

Robert Sawyer-"Calculating God" will move you-big time. His other stuff is pretty good too.

Enough already-I have not even dented my bookshelf yet! But here is something for everyone-not sci-fi but what a read:

"Night Watch"-by Sergei Lukyanenko. This is one novelist who makes me wish I could read Russian so I didn't have to wait for the translations (Book 2 "Day Watch" is due for release in the UK shortly). The fun of vampires-v-warlocks-v-shapechangers-"normals" is made excellent by the questions of morality raised within.

And finally-hold on to your hats on this one-again a non-science fiction author:

Umberto Eco-"The Name Of The Rose". Probably the most
entertaining and accessable of Eco's works you will still find yourself reaching for the latin dictionary (physical or web based Cool) in order to truely enjoy a magnificent murder mystery with far-reaching social and religious implications set in a dark ages monastary. I would also recommend the film version featuring Sean Connery if you can find a copy.

Enjoy...and keep them book recommendations rolling in Very Happy

Phoenix Pryde
Caldari
3-I Area 42
Posted - 2007.01.16 10:32:00 - [66]
 

Since it wasnt mentioned yet ...

The Saga of Seven Suns, Series from Kevin J. Anderson. Entertaining read.


I also liked the classic Battletech Books. But thats another quite large scifi universe in itself. And granted, one has to like Battletech itself to be a able to stomach a few of the books ... *g*


Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:29:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Shauuri
I know it's been mentioned before, but I have to say that Dan Simmons' Hyperion novels and his Illum series (can't wait for the 3rd book!) are among the best SF I've read. Of course, Dune remains to this day the finest of the bunch; I;m working my way through the "prequel" novels right now and loving them.


There will be a 3rd book for Illium? The story seemed pretty much finished in the 2nd.

(Of cource, the same thing could have been said for hyperion, but that still does not necessarily means Illium will get a 3rd and 4th book as well.)

Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:43:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 16/01/2007 11:42:48
Originally by: Vaslav Tchitcherine
Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: Spartaen

Night's Dawn trilogy > all.


Oh yes. 3000+ pages ending in a deus ex machina. I never knew a greater disappointment.


++++

An epic and exquisite setup for nothing but a truly terrible pun. Crushing disappointment. If I ever meet the man I will punch him in the face. Or maybe frown at him. Either way, he will rue the day.



No epic ending , just the use of the galactic "I win button". Left me with a bitter taste. But I love everything else he have done. The Pandora's star and follow up Judas unchained is highly recommended.

But if you like space battles there is nothing that is even close to the Dread empires fall trilogy (Walter Jon Williams). There is long battles happening at ranges spanning entire solarsystems. They are very well written and we follow the tactical side of the battles. How do you surprise your opponent when there is no hiding in space? How to react on info that is an hour old (light only goes so fast).

Linkage

Nihma
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Nihma on 16/01/2007 12:47:17

Milaahs Nithori
Amarr
Crimson Empire.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:52:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Read "Theodicy" under the short stories section in the EVE Online backstory. It's fairly long for a short story, and it quite a good read. Made me want to train for Amarr just for their "glory." Even if they are pieces of...


Indeed, hehe. Theodicy is a very very great read

Originally by: Yumi Katanawe
Greg Beard - hard sci-fi, fits like a glove with EVE.



Ah. I have only read Eon and Eternity by Greg Bear. Absolutely fantastic. Monumental.

Those particular books didn't engage EVE-modus for me though. EVE is more grand space opera. Greg Bear's sci fi is closer to home i guess.

Radioact1ve
BIG
Posted - 2007.01.17 15:44:00 - [71]
 

Since he hasn't been mentioned yet, there's also the other Greg, Greg Egan. And Gregory Benford.
Both write very good "hard" science fiction.

Oh and some people may also enjoy Eric Nylund's novels. Even though set in a quite a different universe and very different from the works of the two authors mentioned above, they're very good "action" science fiction novels.

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2007.01.17 16:49:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Smagd on 17/01/2007 16:53:23
William Gibson is pretty far away from EvE really, although some of the better scenes in Neuromancer take place in near Earth orbit. If you *do* like near future stuff, I must recommend the newer Bridge trilogy and also Pattern recognition. He formed a lot of concepts in Neuromancer and he's still doing it.

If you like hard SF like Greg Bear above, I'm still missing Robert L. Forward. His "Dragon's Egg" (which is about life on a neutron star discovered near the constellation "Draco", just so you don't run for your swords) is apparently still considered an "extra credit reading" in some beginner's astronomy classes.

Edit: I'm adding John Brunners Shockwave Rider to the near-future Must-See books. Highly original writing style and terms that actually made it into real life (computer worms, for instance).

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2007.01.17 17:17:00 - [73]
 

Snowcrash is alot of fun and the book of choice when EVE is slow going. It's like Neuromancer lite.

Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.17 17:26:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Izo Azlion on 17/01/2007 17:28:27
Peter F. Hamilton's "Nights Dawn" trilogy is basically a better version of EVE.

(Sorry Devs, ... but the idea of Nanonics, affinty, and geneering far exceed the rabbling of Amarr :P)

He rocks.

CCP, did you find any inspiration from the Nights Dawn Trilogy? I've seen several things that could link. Even to the extent of a mention of a "Laocoon" - one of out corp members!

Originally by: Dau Imperius
I've got much better recommendations:
1.) How to be a Human-being for dummies.
2.) Why PvP is not everything and never will be.
3.) How not to whine and complain on forums about every single thing you see.
4.) The computer and you: a treatise on ethics and morals online.

I could go on, but I doubt most of you could read something that doesn't involve F1, F2, F3 or Iwin/Lose. And 'Dear CCP: Fix my life'.

Rolling Eyes


Why try and ruin a good thread? If you dont like the forums, make your own. And we can all read fine, thanks, ignorant git.

If you dont have something constructive and something that isnt vindictive, please, dont bother posting at all, you bring the worst out in me.

Thanks.


Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.17 17:57:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 17/01/2007 17:59:03
I'll list authors, because it'd be wrong to respond to the OPs actual post on general Very Happy


Iain M Banks (all - Against A Dark Background is my favourite sci-fi book)
Ken McLeod (earlier better)
Gregory Benford (earlier much better, read the various series not the recent pulp sci-thrillers)
Vernor Vinge
Alistair Reynolds
Neal Stephenson
Phillip K Di.ck
Issac Asimov
Arthur C. Clarke
Orson Scott Card - Enders Game
Brian Aldiss
Dan Simmons
Stephen Donaldson - Gap Series


Not so related but similar "feel" (to me)
Harlan Ellison
China Mieville
HG Wells
Jules Verne
Olaf Stapledon (really really old, pioneering sci-fi)
Timothy Zahn - Thrawn Trilogy, great pulpy star wars fun(should have been the next movies, heh)

Stuff I like anyway and can't help reccommending:
Ursula K. Le Guinn (especially Earthsea)
Mary Gentle (Ash)


... that any help? Very Happy

Anator Namon
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:15:00 - [76]
 

CH Cherryh. Ian Banks. Mike Resnick. Bujold. Vernor Vinge. Reynolds.

These are just a few, and much much better than Niven ****.

Anator Namon
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:18:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 15/01/2007 12:25:26
How dare I forget the masters:

Issac Asimov-"Foundation Series"

and

Frank Herbert-"Dune Series"....the books by his son ain't bad and provide decent backstory to the originals but they smack a bit too much of commercialism.

p.s. This is probably the most useful, fun, and interesting thread I have seen pop up in weeks Very Happy


But Dune hardly deals with space at all, and it is a very very different space than in EVE. Additionally, Foundation deals very little with space as well.

EVE is not a planet game, we don't know much about how life is with planets. What is definitely a big part is semi-independent spaceships and captains and empires (the empires bit is where Foundation and Dune have some relevance).

Anator Namon
Posted - 2007.01.17 18:19:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Snowcrash is alot of fun and the book of choice when EVE is slow going. It's like Neuromancer lite.


Great books, but very very far from EVE.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.01.17 19:15:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
...

*my reading is more WOW than EVE but EVE is clearly superior.



Try some older books:

Harold Sea serie by Sprague De Camp

Newhon serie (Fafhrd and Gray Mouser) by Friz Leiber; some FS/fantasy writer got to say that instead of Leiber winning the Tolkien prize, should have been Tolkien winning the Leiber prize for fantasy Very Happy.

FS
the Viller serie by Alexiey Panshin

And thys thread has increased my love for EVE.

FS rule! Razz

Frater Perdurabo
Amarr
The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria
MERCURY RISING.
Posted - 2007.01.17 20:28:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Frater Perdurabo on 17/01/2007 20:29:00
I found it hard to believe certain authors and books havent got a mention yet, so i'll try a list of those:

Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination.
Michael Marshall Smith - Spares/Only Forward/One of Us (If you diddn't like the end to nights dawn i doubt you'll like these Razz)
Kurt Vonnegut - The Sirens of Titan, Cats Cradle, Slaughterhouse 5.
Michael Moor**** - The Dancers at the End of Time
Harry Harrison - The Stainless Steel Rat

Also i would highly recommend almost all of the authors already mentioned, Smith, Heinlein, Hamilton, M. Banks, etc.

One question for you all: anyone ever read any Stanislaw Lem?

Edit - Oh and in a vague attempt to be somewhere nearly ontopic, i think Alastair Reynolds style comes quite close to that of eve, but not technologicaly.

Anator Namon
Posted - 2007.01.17 21:03:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Anator Namon on 17/01/2007 21:00:01
Many authors mentioned are great, many are crap. Many aren't at all EVEish. Lem is amazing, but not at all EVEish (and wouldn't want to be).

Webber is an example of a poor (not terrible, I have read read some of his) author that is EVEish. Sirens of Titan, OTOH, is not at all EVEish. I thought that the point was:

"What are some good Sci-Fi novels you could recommend that are in a similar vein to Eve-Online? Just something that has the same sort of atmosphere and feel to it."

Synapse Archae
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.01.17 21:23:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Synapse Archae on 17/01/2007 21:20:06
I'm going to support Frank Herbert's "Dune" again. Its that good.

Edit: Crap I forgot "Ender's Game" Quite good even if I think the author is an ass.

Since I'm a cyberpunk fan Ill put up William Gibson's "Neuromancer", and Neil Stephenson's "Snow Crash", although any book by either author is good.

Ive heard numerous good things from various people about Ian Banks. Probably also worth reading from the amount of praise I hear.

Chupacabro
Posted - 2007.01.17 21:43:00 - [83]
 

Another book were the pilots are hard wired with implants and actually connect with the ship. Is Malisa Scott's Dreamships. It is not particularly a good book(Most eather love it or hate it. I thought it was Meh.) It is alright if you are interested in the subject matter. Her discription of the technology is what I found most interesting about the book. And the actual pilots sound a lot like what the Jove go through.

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2007.01.17 22:52:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 17/01/2007 22:50:18
Alright...so some of the title mentioned are not EvE-related-but honestly-who really cares? A good book is a good book and while books like "Dune" or "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep" do not feature deep space warfare (except in the abstract--Herbert's son's Dune prequels somewhat excepted) they do explore explore what is truely interesting about humanity and what that means regardless of setting. Some of these novels seriously question what it means to be human in the context of galactic warfare (or fantasy--or whatever--you pick 'em).

And as the EvE universe is supposed to be player-driven...as in variations of human-the variety of titles mentioned thus far are more than applicable.

I'll step off my soapbox and offer up another couple of gems:

China Meiville-"Perdido Street Station". Don't walk...run to the bookstore and grab this. And the follow-ups "The Scar" and "Iron Council". To try and define the work as simply dark fantasy/steampunk is like comparing George Lucas as an author to Shakespeare. And again...no %^*$ing elves or other silliness.

Stephen Dedman-"The Art Of Arrow Cutting". Brooklyn guy meets Yakuza and is dragged into battling various magical nasties of Japanese origin. The follow-up "Shadows Bite" is fun as well. If you liked Neil Gaiman's "American Gods" this author is for you!

And finally...back on the sci-fi track:

Grant Naylor-"Red Dwarf" and "Better Than Life". Very HappyVery Happy
Best read when errrrrr....how can I put this...under the influence Cool
Don't say I didn't warn you-fans of the show will know where I am coming from Wink

**EDIT**Noticed that Savesti Kyrsst mentioned China Meiville first. Credit where credit is due!

Anator Namon
Posted - 2007.01.17 23:43:00 - [85]
 

If we are just talking about good books, I liked:
Faulkner, in particular a Fable and Absalom Absalom.

Lilith by Macdonald.

War and Peace by Tolstoy. Conrad I am a fan of also.

I have only read His Master's Voice and Solaris by Lem, but they were both very good.

Everything I have read by Wolfe is amazing, he is probably one of the best writers writing today. Many people start with his Torturer series. Neil Gaiman has some I like a lot, in particular Stardust and Neverwhere. Zelazny has some good books, in particular Lords of Light, Amber, Jack of Shadows, and Creatures of Light and Darkness. The Gap series has already been mentioned, but I also thought that the Mirror series was good (by Donaldson).

Freidman has some good ones, and some of hers are even EVEish (This Alien Shore is probably my favorate). Song of Ice and Fire by Martin is very good. ****son also has some EVEish ones, although most focus on space. The Childe cycle I recommend.

I of course recommend Lord of the Rings by Tolkien and Harry Potter (both Fantasies). Beloved by Toni Morrison is excellent also.

I could go on and on and on, I agree with a number mentioned, and think that a number of others mentioned are pretty poor.

Neon Genesis
GoonFleet
Posted - 2007.01.17 23:56:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Adolf Huxly - A Brave new world is a cracker

But for true scope its always goign to be Ian M Banks


Aldous Huxley Razz

And agreed.

Romeda
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.18 00:26:00 - [87]
 

I would say you could try a quick read at The Dark Wheel it's set in the Elite universe, I still remember the short stories book that came with Frontier Elite 2, but I could not find any of them on the net.

sartorii
Genco
Posted - 2007.01.18 00:35:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: sartorii on 18/01/2007 00:32:38
hmm it seems odd to me that the "Greats" of Science Fiction (not SCIFI rhymes with 'iffy' and i defer to Harlen Ellison for the differences) need mention at all. But I suppose it is a good resource for those new to the genre.

a few of the 'less mainstream' novels i think fit Eve well..

The Eternity Brigade -Stephen Goldin
not space related but an intense look a the possible effects of Cloning on Military operations..hmm apparently there is a 'modernized version' i havent read coool..

Hardwired -Jon Walter Williams
also not space, but as the title implies, implants, living in the 'interface' and MegaCorp control of society.

Armor John Steaky
i just love this book, cant pass up a chance to recommend it

Economo 3000
Posted - 2007.01.22 21:36:00 - [89]
 

Well I went to go buy some Iain Banks novels, and I planned to start with consider phlebas and the player of games... but where can I find these?

Consier Phlebas isn't even sold new anymore, that I see, and the used paperback versions of it (on barnes and noble) sell for 30 bucks or more!

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.22 21:46:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Economo 3000
Well I went to go buy some Iain Banks novels, and I planned to start with consider phlebas and the player of games... but where can I find these?

Consier Phlebas isn't even sold new anymore, that I see, and the used paperback versions of it (on barnes and noble) sell for 30 bucks or more!


EBAY. or second hand bookshops are a gem for old books. I find if a book is famous or even remotly popular then Major booksellers Jack prices quite high. Spend a few days looking around charity shops/second hand book sellers/ebay then you might have some luck.

Maybe a nice Capsuleer has a spare copy ?


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