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CCP kieron

Posted - 2007.01.12 20:19:00 - [1]
 

Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime for database maintenance on Tuesday, 16 January. The extended downtime will occur from 1100 through 1500 GMT.

While the extended downtime is underway, we are asking for the community's assistance. As part of the ongoing effort to improve EVE's performance, we will be holding a stress test on Singularity and would like for as many members of the EVE community as possible to log into the test server. Once logged in, just play EVE as normal.

The test server will be running on the same version as Tranquility, so it will not be necessary to install a second client. We hope the server load during the stress test will help us troubleshoot some of the recent node issues.

It will not be necessary to set a long skill training for the extended downtime, but please ensure your skill training does not complete during the downtime.

Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2007.01.12 21:46:00 - [2]
 

ok!

Dotar Sojat
Caldari
Reality Check
Posted - 2007.01.12 23:46:00 - [3]
 

We've always been beta testers bro, wake up. This sounds really good, may be just what the doctor ordered.

Sagnius
Amarr
Caldari Scouting and Intel Group
Posted - 2007.01.13 04:04:00 - [4]
 

can we have empire 0.0 again Twisted Evil, that was such a cool time be awsome to do ti again

Arianna 'Deidorian
Posted - 2007.01.13 09:42:00 - [5]
 

How about fixing that damn mail bug and after that stress testing?

hotgirl933
Posted - 2007.01.13 10:15:00 - [6]
 

fix the mail bug then do the stress tests

Siddious
Posted - 2007.01.13 14:53:00 - [7]
 

Hé Kieron.

Are there any server and client side patches gonna be installed during the extended downtime ? Or is this going to be Soon®

Haschischkakalake
ReD eYe Inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.01.13 16:50:00 - [8]
 

What the hell does this "database maintenance" mean?! When WILL u guys FIX BUGS!?

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.13 18:22:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Haschischkakalake
What the hell does this "database maintenance" mean?! When WILL u guys FIX BUGS!?


Ever defragmented your hard drive?

Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.

Soon all these holes add up.

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2007.01.13 23:14:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 13/01/2007 23:12:00
Small suggestion to CCP. If u really want to attract dozens of players to EVE give each one on SISI for the time of the stress test all skills in EVE. Everyone will be able to fly a titan (while its cost will be only 100ISK). This way u will have more than enough peoples there :)

Besides... players would be able to anything, test anything. Sounds nice imho :)

Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
Posted - 2007.01.14 00:20:00 - [11]
 

*snip* Reference to deleted content removed -Eldo

New CCP policy: when the main server has to go down, give the players an event on the test server so they can still get their fix of Eve.

Originally by: Radix Salvilines
Small suggestion to CCP. If u really want to attract dozens of players to EVE give each one on SISI for the time of the stress test all skills in EVE. Everyone will be able to fly a titan (while its cost will be only 100ISK). This way u will have more than enough peoples there :)

Besides... players would be able to anything, test anything. Sounds nice imho :)


The problem with that is that they wouldn't test anything and everything. They'd all pile on there and test titans and other outrageous setups that they'd never usually be able to access, and not give any attention to anything else. Then they'd realize that titan vs titan combat gets very boring very quickly, and all leave again without testing anything else.

Besides, piling a thousand players on sisi to shoot something is very useful during a stress test, but would render sisi useless the rest of the time when the more routine testing needed to happen.

Malcurth Deathmind
Gallente
Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm
Black Scope Project
Posted - 2007.01.14 04:39:00 - [12]
 

Sounds good, hope yall get around to fixing that mail bug soon!! ^_^

Christos Hendez
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.01.14 11:14:00 - [13]
 

Please can u reseed the market on the test server. Not much point logging in to test things if you cant buy the modules (shield rigs).
Thx

elgae
Posted - 2007.01.14 13:03:00 - [14]
 

I cancelled my subscription over two months ago and you are still taking money out of my banking account...

I will be contacting proper authorities as to what legal actions would be appropriate and contacting my bank for reimbersemnet rights

Charlie D.

Eldo Davip


ISD YARR
Posted - 2007.01.14 22:29:00 - [15]
 

Thread cleaned please don't troll.

Zaenar
Posted - 2007.01.15 09:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ever defragmented your hard drive?

Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.

Soon all these holes add up.
Please don't take m$ ******ed technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.

As for the original topic : Pretty please add some hotfix for the mail bug, and I'm sure we'll be more than happy to come and help with stress-testing.

Keav
Minmatar
Spitfire Inc
Posted - 2007.01.15 17:46:00 - [17]
 

I'll be there for the stress test Very Happy

but, PLEASE can you fix the mail bug by the end of the downtime???!!

pretty please...

Yarek Balear
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.15 18:32:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Yarek Balear on 15/01/2007 18:29:09
Originally by: Zaenar
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ever defragmented your hard drive?

Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.

Soon all these holes add up.
Please don't take m$ ******ed technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.

As for the original topic : Pretty please add some hotfix for the mail bug, and I'm sure we'll be more than happy to come and help with stress-testing.


This is just wrong. Oracle, probably the most production capable and used database system in the world for serious business applications can be affected by becoming too fragmented. I'm all for a little light hearted flame where flame is due, but at least do it when you know what you're talking about.

While I'm in the mode - I've said it before and I'll say it again - the biggest problem affecting people's enjoyment or ability to play the game is lag. Staying on top of that and more importantly focusing on one element at a time is what is and should be being done. Yes the mail bug is annoying, but it's not stopping you play the game once you clear your mail after logon.

EDIT: Missed a word...

CCP kieron

Posted - 2007.01.15 18:32:00 - [19]
 

A patch will not be published during the downtime tomorrow, a patch for remaining issues from the Revelations deployment, including the mail notification bug, will be released before the end of January.

Zaenar
Posted - 2007.01.15 20:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Yarek Balear
This is just wrong. Oracle, probably the most production capable and used database system in the world for serious business applications can be affected by becoming too fragmented. I'm all for a little light hearted flame where flame is due, but at least do it when you know what you're talking about.
You Sir are clueless. I'd be pleased to learn how the 'fortune 500' customers I had for the past 15 years (banks, insurance companies, telco/ISPs, manufacturers, ...) managed to achieve 5+ figures availability (i.e. 99.999%+ in other words, less than 8hrs average downtime/year) with their business critical application/databases if they had to stop their services regularly to 'defragment'. For the record, these backend DBs are not even used by a mere 35k concurrent users, but rather by millions of them daily. Guess what: none of them used m$ products for these applications, none of them complained about fragmentation.

Please, dont make the average JohnDoe believe it comes from technological limitations. Were CCP to be paid solely on effective game time, they'll implement high-availability policies and self-healing storage management. As you said yourself : Oracle _can_ be affected, but properly used, it is not.

BTW, I have no problem with CCP having daily maintenances as it's just a game: High availability comes at a price, and I'd rather see CCP make $$$ for their effort than give it all away.
OTOH, I'll be glad to see them move to more robust backends if we want to enjoy our beloved game with more than 50-100k pilots at peak times, and let CCP leverage their effective clustering architecture without it beeing crippled with desktop/workgroup-class DB software.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.16 10:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zaenar
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Ever defragmented your hard drive?

Similar thing. Every time you destroy an item (god kills a kitten) there is a 'hole' left in the database.

Soon all these holes add up.
Please don't take m$ ******ed technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.

As for the original topic : Pretty please add some hotfix for the mail bug, and I'm sure we'll be more than happy to come and help with stress-testing.


O the contrary, SQL Server can fragment; not just the database either, as the Transaction Log File and Database file can auto-grow at different rates, causing fragmentation on disk.

CCP do use MS SQL IIRC.

TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:04:00 - [22]
 

Sisi is giving me an "incompatible build" error and asks me to patch. Is this safe to patch onto my main (TQ) eve client, or should I just wait until the right version is up?

Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:19:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Sisi is giving me an "incompatible build" error and asks me to patch. Is this safe to patch onto my main (TQ) eve client, or should I just wait until the right version is up?


I've got the same problem! I thought it was going to be running the same version.


Zaenar
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:20:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Zaenar
Please don't take m$ ******ed technologies as 'state of the art'. Serious filesystems & databases use Garbage Collectors and never ever need to 'defragment'.


O the contrary, SQL Server can fragment; not just the database either, as the Transaction Log File and Database file can auto-grow at different rates, causing fragmentation on disk.

CCP do use MS SQL IIRC.
My point precisely: M$ SQL is not 'state of the art' technology, nor is NTFS, thanks for pointing that out.
Laughing

On The Fly Defrag example. Enjoy.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:32:00 - [25]
 

When CCP want to take down Eve for 4+ days to migrate from MS SQL yo Oracle, I am sure they will let you know Wink

Shin Kikko
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:32:00 - [26]
 

any news on the Incompatible Release ??

Trying to login but can't connect

McWigga
Reload An Fight
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:35:00 - [27]
 

Seems were all having the same problem..

GIVE US SOMETHING TO DO!!!

Pokerface
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:56:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: kieron
While the extended downtime is underway, we are asking for the community's assistance. As part of the ongoing effort to improve EVE's performance, we will be holding a stress test on Singularity and would like for as many members of the EVE community as possible to log into the test server. Once logged in, just play EVE as normal.

The test server will be running on the same version as Tranquility, so it will not be necessary to install a second client. We hope the server load during the stress test will help us troubleshoot some of the recent node issues.


The same version then why we have to DL an patch?
And when trying to DL you get a error siteRolling Eyes

So you want us to test or what? make it work!

Lucius Rex
Minmatar
Rex Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.16 11:59:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Lucius Rex on 16/01/2007 11:57:10
I was eventually redirected to 'download full client' which is when i gave up. (the full vesion is older then my active one)

i have version 28296,
patch o2/test/evepatch28296-28750_test.exe is auto requested and missing. 'alternate' dl site returns forbidden.

I think they didn't change sisi to normal build (yet) and have blocked access to test patches to avoid damage.

EDIT- erased some nonsense

Lalanu Soulinarr
Minmatar
Ad Astra Vexillum
Posted - 2007.01.16 12:02:00 - [30]
 

Well seems test is running a different version then your live, no biggie can copy eve and patch to help you all stress test it. One exception tho your mirror of live is close to two months old so those of use that recieved this for an xmas gift this year get to sit on the sidelines and wait for the production server to come back up. wtg Evil or Very Mad


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