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rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.12 02:36:00 - [1]
 

yes, this can certainly be abused for griefing. in light of that it would only go into effect if a player is in a starter corp for over 3 conceutive months, this would not affect noobs but would affect the farmers.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.12 03:49:00 - [2]
 

you mean decrease right? other wise that makes no sense at all

Lost Ninja
CompleXion Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.12 07:10:00 - [3]
 

No he means increase, so he can gank macroers in high sec without concord turning up to kill him.

Korbann
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.12 07:41:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lost Ninja
No he means increase, so he can gank macroers in high sec without concord turning up to kill him.


Say again? That sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

To OP: You realize concord response time is already like half a second?

Lost Ninja
CompleXion Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.12 11:35:00 - [5]
 

I fail to see why its so hard to understand....

Curreently if he attacks a macroer in Hi Sec concord turn up and blow him away in half a second. He wants the response time of concord to be increased, made longer, so that when he shoots someone in hi sec he can get away before concord turn up.

Bad idea anyway IMO it'd just be idiots ganking newbies then.

Fraszoid
Caldari
Healthcare for Space Hermits
Posted - 2007.01.12 16:04:00 - [6]
 

Being you want the CONDORD response time increased by 50%, and I know from experience that CONCORD will be there faster than you can blink, or .5 seconds, you will get a response time of .75 seconds. You still are only going to get 1 volley off before losing you ship, and still have no chance of escape. Besides, if you can't kill a macro in 1 volley with your ship, you're doing something really wrong.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.12 16:37:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 12/01/2007 16:33:23
50% increase on response time means no Macro Miners Get Shot

50% decrease means pew pew you silly math majors

Reggie Stoneloader
Poofdinkles
Posted - 2007.01.12 23:37:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 12/01/2007 16:33:23
50% increase on response time means no Macro Miners Get Shot

50% decrease means pew pew you silly math majors
Increase in time = Increase in delay = more time to shoot before getting concordokkened

Semantics have ruined this thread.

But it was said above that if you can't gank your target with your alpha strike, you're not tough enough to be harvesting strip miners from macros. It's just that simple. Turn down the suck.

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.13 00:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Fraszoid
Being you want the CONDORD response time increased by 50%, and I know from experience that CONCORD will be there faster than you can blink, or .5 seconds, you will get a response time of .75 seconds. You still are only going to get 1 volley off before losing you ship, and still have no chance of escape. Besides, if you can't kill a macro in 1 volley with your ship, you're doing something really wrong.


no actually, concord response time in highsec ranges from 10-17 secs depending on security status. im not trying to get away from concord thats an exploit, but to kill them before i die. right now the only real action one can take to help stop them is to petition, but this never works. i petition all day and then 6 month later they are still logging on. the only way to decrease thier profit margin is to gank. if concord took more time to get to the location then it would be easier for the reguar player to kill them sucessfully.

Jounin Tradoc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.01.13 03:41:00 - [10]
 

10 - 17 seconds? Christ, where the hell are you ganking at? Remind me to stay away from there :P

CrestoftheStars
Caldari
Recreation Of The World
Posted - 2007.01.13 06:30:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 13/01/2007 06:31:00
wtf is wrong with you people? only action you can take is to patition... dohh YER!..

it is the GM's job to ban macro miners, what we need is more AKTIVE gm's, as in ddo, do i have a problem i will write a patition 2-5minuttes later i got the hold on a gm if it is anything like harassem, exploiding, stuck or other issues that should be taken care of immidiately...

and in no way is it acceptable to be able to kill people in high sec... you shouldn't even be able to attack him without his premision...
but onces again, if you give people the abillity to do something, they will misuse it and **** it...

Gnord
Posted - 2007.01.13 09:20:00 - [12]
 

Macrominers keep mineral costs down.

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.13 09:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Gnord
Macrominers keep mineral costs down.



do you know where all that ISK is going? strait into the hands of ISK sellers, and thats a detriment to the economy. if you would look on a macro scale ass oposed to your own little box you can see the reprecussions

rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.13 09:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: CrestoftheStars
Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 13/01/2007 06:31:00
wtf is wrong with you people? only action you can take is to patition... dohh YER!..

it is the GM's job to ban macro miners, what we need is more AKTIVE gm's, as in ddo, do i have a problem i will write a patition 2-5minuttes later i got the hold on a gm if it is anything like harassem, exploiding, stuck or other issues that should be taken care of immidiately...

and in no way is it acceptable to be able to kill people in high sec... you shouldn't even be able to attack him without his premision...
but onces again, if you give people the abillity to do something, they will misuse it and **** it...



FYI pititions RARELY do anything, ive pititiomed at least 20 off these a****s about 6 months ago, and at ANY given time 23/7 today when i log in they are all still on and active. CCP either doesnt want this problem solved or doesnt have the recouces to do so. its really up to the player base to stop it. and this would be an easy method.

Jounin Tradoc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.01.13 20:05:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Gnord
Macrominers keep mineral costs down.


This is true. You've already seen what has happened to the price of Trit...

However, Isk selling is nowhere near as bad for the market as T2; as Isk selling has a mitigating factor, while T2 is openly supported by the Devs.

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2007.01.13 23:26:00 - [16]
 

i have another idea :) If CCP can develop a system where when palyer reports macromining/emailing with RL miney ISK selling it gets standing with concord increased.

The more standing u have to more time it gets for the concord to respond.

Of course by attacking macrominers u get ss hits. If then after blowing them up and reporting what happened (and when gm's confirms that player's actions was just) then ss is being raised beyond the previous standing.

If not concord then perhaps SCC.

That could make a nice system to fight macrominers. Players fightng them would be rewarded in ss increases :)


That of course hits the game plot by making a window to RL. Well we can just rename macrominers to pilots without license :D And it holds with the plot even if everyone knows what is really goining on :)

SentryRaven
KIA Corporation
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2007.01.13 23:58:00 - [17]
 

Why should the standings to DED or Concord increase when you report a macroer? Worst idea I have ever heard, people would start petitioning every noob corp ship in belts...

If you have a LEGIT assumption that there is macro miners in a system, petition it. That's the only tool you have and SHOULD have. Dealing with Exploiters is not a playerbase issue, it's a game developers / game support / GM issue. Period.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.01.14 19:06:00 - [18]
 

I don't know where you live in EVE to see all this macrominers.

But I suspect you are wrong most of the time.

As was repeated more than once, sweatshops are legal (distasteful but legal), and in most instance those are sweatshops.

At worst you can get them with the sharing account violation of the EULA.

And some of your target are simply AFK mining players. With the right setup you will need to be there only 15 second every 6 minutes, so an human player can easily follow 4-5 accounts, one of them an hauler.

I often mine with an account while brownsing market, fitting up ships or doing a miriad of thing, included moving that 100km between gates ina mission, on another.

So most of your tests will make you think that I am a macro.


Dr Shameless
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.01.14 21:26:00 - [19]
 

maybe introduce something like 007 license to kill :) if someone has high security status and attacks something the concord doesnt arrive faster then:

standard delay + attackers security status (in seconds) = concord response time

Thews Mortaza
Minmatar
Xila Inferno Production
Posted - 2007.01.15 04:50:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Gnord
Macrominers keep mineral costs down.


So did slavery, back in the day ... Rolling Eyes

That aside, macro mining attaches a Euro/Pound/Dollar value on ISK by virtue of the connection to ISK selling. Believe it or not, this is actually a bad thing to have happen.

As for the macro miner squads, I just identify them, locate them, and interfere with them. Every once and a while, I even get to pop a dumb one, Wink


 

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