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Leto Twin
Amarr
Caritas.
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:28:00 - [1]
 

So, since Ollo was flamed so far that now he probably tastes like boot, I would like to point out a new, uhmmm, coincidence that has occured.

I am prepared for the flames, you have to be once you join this alliance.

But sit down for this, for Leto is about to tell you a story:

A few systems away from Bhizheba there was a group (note: group does not mean blob, rather a few or a couple would be closer to the truth) of Privateers, doing their stuff. Ganking, yarring and generally bumping and shooting stuff. One had a glorius idea, and that idea included a pipe, some ships and tents.

Into Tash-Murkon we go, me gaily typing along to the glorious lyrics of Tenacious D. 'Light up the stage, 'cuz it's time for a showdown.' Little did I know what fate those words would bring me.

In Tash-Murkon there were CVA, they put up good fights. Into Bhizheba we went. There was one little red box with a star in it, and he was not at our gate. One person was sent to check the stations and we waited at Tash-Murkon gate, to hopefully snag some CVA coming through. None did and the station report came back as clear.

One person was left to watch the Tash gate, made sense since there were war-targets in Tash-Murkon, and we were hungry for corpses (BTW, where are our x-mas presents CCP? I want to shoot some corpses!). The rest warped to the Amarr gate. Lo and behold there was a shiny Thorax with drones deployed. We had firepower enough, or so we though to destroy this lonely Thorax.

Engaged as we were we still noticed that the local was rising, and the Privateer on the Tash gate noticed it as well, and said no one had come through his side. The group (couple) of us who had engaged the Thorax were a hefty 500m from the Amarr gate. Oooh, no activation here.

By now the local reds had risen from one to eight. Weird. And then we same reds come screaming towards us. They had warped in, just as they showed up in local. Could it be?

Login trap.

So, Leto is about to name and shame these individuals.

AXE. Sorry guys. Apparently blobs just don't cut it anymore?

Ollo was right, population of EVE-O, we have the killboards to prove it. And the thought processes. We Privateers pick our fights, and three or four vs eight just isn't one we would choose.

On a good note, the Thorax popped, two of us survived. Bad news, thorax dropped crappy loot, and I can't use the drones.

Dragerest
Amarr
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:46:00 - [2]
 

say hi to Le Skunk for me.
he is a good guy. and he makes me smile Very Happy

ps. good luck

DHB FooFighter
Caldari
Dashavatara
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:51:00 - [3]
 

It's empire.


Don't care.

Leto Twin
Amarr
Caritas.
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: DHB FooFighter
It's empire.


Don't care.


We kill ISS, here. = ).

Helen
Amarr
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:55:00 - [5]
 

Still don't care!

BoinKlasik
Caldari
Senkei Jin
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:55:00 - [6]
 

quick...lets post about the same thing TWICE and see if it makes ANY DIFFERENCE!

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:56:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Ace Frehley on 03/01/2007 20:58:33
Apperntly your friend dident know what a log-in trap was so Axe now showed you how it works. Take it as a lesson so you now know the difference... Just a tip..

Leto Twin
Amarr
Caritas.
Posted - 2007.01.03 20:59:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: BoinKlasik
quick...lets post about the same thing TWICE and see if it makes ANY DIFFERENCE!


Not quite. Different systems means different things. Also his could have been, this one was.

Also much better grammar, spelling, etc.

Annnnnd shows that if his was, that means they do it consistently. Didn't people used to not like RA for the same thing?

hangnoose
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:01:00 - [9]
 

There are about 3 other gates IIRC in bhizheba.


How do you know they didn't JUMP IN and warp?


Do you have axiom in your address books? Are you paying attention if they log in and out? Or are you just assuming?

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: hangnoose
There are about 3 other gates IIRC in bhizheba.


How do you know they didn't JUMP IN and warp?


Do you have axiom in your address books? Are you paying attention if they log in and out? Or are you just assuming?


There are in fact 5 gates like he says above, so...... How do you know they didn't jump in and warp to you? Might even be a very short warp between gates?

Shame some people don't think before posting Neutral

Cmdr Sy
Gallente
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:10:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: hangnoose
There are about 3 other gates IIRC in bhizheba.

How do you know they didn't JUMP IN and warp?

Do you have axiom in your address books? Are you paying attention if they log in and out? Or are you just assuming?

Total of five in that system.

And address books are a pointless exercise when you just made all of Empire 0.0 for yourself.

I have no opinion on this, except to say there are inevitably lamers on all sides of any war, and pointing the finger at someone only makes things worse when your own side lets you down later.

hangnoose
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:15:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: hangnoose
There are about 3 other gates IIRC in bhizheba.

How do you know they didn't JUMP IN and warp?

Do you have axiom in your address books? Are you paying attention if they log in and out? Or are you just assuming?

Total of five in that system.

And address books are a pointless exercise when you just made all of Empire 0.0 for yourself.

I have no opinion on this, except to say there are inevitably lamers on all sides of any war, and pointing the finger at someone only makes things worse when your own side lets you down later.


I still use my adressbook for hostiles.... pointless to some because of local, but I use mine to get an idea of how many people are online, and a general idea about how many people an enemy fleet can muster up if needed.

matty01
Minmatar
matty01 hyperFun ratting corp
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:15:00 - [13]
 

i really, really doubt axe would bother with login traps in empire

Jezala
Caldari
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:19:00 - [14]
 

I'm betting you guys weren't watching the Romi gate. It's a common mistake b/c a lot of ships travel between Tash and Amarr, but going through Romi is the direct route to Jita from Tash.

nickky01
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:40:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: nickky01 on 03/01/2007 21:41:24
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/lars7480/000wqypf.jpg

whoops, those weren't URL tags

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:47:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: AKULA UrQuan on 03/01/2007 22:25:17
Now it's clear why privateers are terrorfied of anything under 0.5. You're getting pimped slaped by standard 0.0 bait'n'gank tatics.

PS: at least know what a login trap really looks like before screaming it. Razz

Havras
Caldari
The Syndicate Inc
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:53:00 - [17]
 

Pssst.. here is how you tell if it was a log in trap or someone jumping from random gate x in a system with 5 gates...

<puts on captain obvious costume>

Wait.. no. Not even Captain obvious wants to explain something THAT obvious.

Pilk
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:56:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Havras
Pssst.. here is how you tell if it was a log in trap or someone jumping from random gate x in a system with 5 gates...

<puts on captain obvious costume>

Wait.. no. Not even Captain obvious wants to explain something THAT obvious.

/signed.

Fraps or STFU. Consistently outfoxing your scouts in systems with 5 gates is not grounds to shout "logonski!" every time it happens.

--P

TrippyX
Caldari
The Syndicate Inc
Posted - 2007.01.03 21:58:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: TrippyX on 03/01/2007 21:57:56
no matter what you say.. we're still killing you left and right around Jita Twisted EvilTwisted Evil

Omega Man
Amarr
The Geddy Foundation
Posted - 2007.01.03 22:05:00 - [20]
 

Well I guess some corps may change the way they play Eve to counteract you.

It is all fairly baseless stuff coming from you so far though.

I expect there are plenty more adaptation coming your way, so I would not start posting about them all coz:

a. nobody cares you are getting a kicking.
b. more people will use the method to kick you.

CamMan
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 22:18:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Havras
Pssst.. here is how you tell if it was a log in trap or someone jumping from random gate x in a system with 5 gates...

<puts on captain obvious costume>

Wait.. no. Not even Captain obvious wants to explain something THAT obvious.


HAhahaha owned!

I completely understand why privateers stick to empire griefing NPC'ers now. And here i was thinking their reputation couldnt get any worse, and they release this thread which effectively says.

"Waaa, we engaged a target and it fired back at us! thats not fair, we lost 2 ships, but we will petition them"

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.01.03 22:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Leto Twin
stuff


OMG!

Iteken Hotori
Minmatar
The Flowing Penguins
Posted - 2007.01.03 22:42:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 03/01/2007 22:45:48
can soemone please explain to a noob how 'Logonski' as it is called is a bad / exploit tactic?

From what i can gather, you park ships in a place, bait a trap, watch with cov-ops talking through teamspeak, then logon when the bait is taken, and win.

This is condonable how ?

ollobrains
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.01.03 22:47:00 - [24]
 

nah tbh the 2 ships i lost to axe using this i havent petititioned ill take the loss on the chin yes we were outsmarted by CVA and AXE with their creative use of ts and logging in still reckon if youre not in a mission and u log out then in within 2 minutes or even normally u should be dropped up to 4 au away from youre last point and have a 1 minute cant warp time.

But this should also be concurrent with if u log out while aggroed or in a bubble that u are logged back in at the exact point where u left.

This will fix the logging out to avoid being killed bit and a 30 minute stay in space if u are aggroed or in a bubble. ( will fix RA and others like em again)

Geeknik
Caldari
Intelligent Change Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.03 23:06:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: ollobrains
nah tbh the 2 ships i lost to axe using this i havent petititioned ill take the loss on the chin yes we were outsmarted by CVA and AXE with their creative use of ts and logging in

So you're saying that AXE & CVA cooperated on a login trap to kill 3-4 of your ships? Or is it just that AXE somehow knew you would be in Bhizheba and all logged off there waiting for your "fleet" to show up? Rolling Eyes

ollobrains
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.01.03 23:11:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Geeknik
Originally by: ollobrains
nah tbh the 2 ships i lost to axe using this i havent petititioned ill take the loss on the chin yes we were outsmarted by CVA and AXE with their creative use of ts and logging in

So you're saying that AXE & CVA cooperated on a login trap to kill 3-4 of your ships? Or is it just that AXE somehow knew you would be in Bhizheba and all logged off there waiting for your "fleet" to show up? Rolling Eyes


no seperate events the axe losses were up near jita earlier in the day. CVA losses i wasnt involved in but they were logging in and off a lot near bhiz as i listened over alliance channel

so yes other privateers are now watching and naming and shaming as they occour.

Please read my posts i should have said they were seperate incidents. But there u go should clarify things for u

Morden Nok
Amarr
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 23:13:00 - [27]
 

Ollo, you're just being stupid. No one is doing log-on traps in empire. Especially not CVA or Axe.

You're just trying to think of excuses as your alliance seems to be performing quite badly against anyone who can fight back. Screaming of logonski when you have zero idea how it has been used shows that.

There's no need for anyone to use log-on tactics on any situation that you have described. They just jumped in from different gate, and warped in. If the gates are close enough, it won't take long.

Well, now that you have succeeded in destroying any credibility that Privateers might have had in some point, I wish you nice fighting. Seems I have to move out from 0.0 back to empire at some point to kill you guys.

Traxio Nacho
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Posted - 2007.01.03 23:14:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: ollobrains
nah tbh the 2 ships i lost to axe using this i havent petititioned ill take the loss on the chin yes we were outsmarted by CVA and AXE with their creative use of ts and logging in still reckon if youre not in a mission and u log out then in within 2 minutes or even normally u should be dropped up to 4 au away from youre last point and have a 1 minute cant warp time.

again)


Firstly although extermly lame login traps are not at this time classifed as an exploit so petetioning it would get you know where.

Secondly in neither thread have you even shown any proof that login traps even took place. Only that you clearly don't understand the method of bait and people jumping into the system.


ollobrains
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.01.03 23:24:00 - [29]
 

are log in traps legal yes
are they lame yes
have CVA and AXE used them yes ( adding names to buddy list and seeing them all log in within 20 seconds of each other and appare on top of the gate) priceless
do privateers take losses yes
do we petition most dont
we have fun we dont mind the losses and despite the chest thumping there are a lot of kills to
do we run away from blobs ( aka pick our own fights sure we do) so do cva 3 of their pilots ran away from us just after dt and dockted at station when we had 8 in local

do we care no we went and pawned some FIX and oxide guy that were nearby i logged out to go to bed after that and the bhiz thing occoured a bit after that.

are we having fun and making a profit generally yes.

is privateers full of spies that still get involved and shoot other alliances that their mains hate sure

are we signing up more pirate corps all the time ( surreptitious being CEO is the one to contact) just going on what im hearing yes we are

excluding griefing fellow privateers are we allowed to post on the forums sure

are we respected by the highly structured greedy 0.0 alliances that continue to run missions in empire - probably not

are our killboards accurate mostly yes im one that posts all losses and kills moreso for my own records and self review but also to help keep an accurate picture

i also encourage privateers to post their own killlosses why because we are more about fun and profit than seriousness regarding rankings etc

if some guy losses 20 ships but gets 10 kills but has fun in the process do we care no we just say bad luck offer some advice and move on

are log in traps lame yeah they are but are used by those that take heavy losses and cant run a logged in gang without getting scared.

Privateer members i think are now watching and gathering evidence to name and shame expect more threads to appear as evidence is gathered its all part of the bob type propaganda and naming and shaming lamers as it occours

Murphy
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.01.03 23:27:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: ollobrains
so yes other privateers are now watching and naming and shaming as they occour.


The only people you're naming and shaming are yourselves.


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