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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:05:00 - [1]
 

If your tempted to flame, to e-peen beat, or to poo poo the idea. Please leave the thread now.

Like many others I have heard rumours that D2 are actively napping, in preperation for Invasion of Bob home space....

We had a good sized MSN discussion this morning, looking at the potential allies for each side. if you are involved in planning this, if it indeed is being planned, then dont post here, or post mis information :), this thread is for speculation (KIA are no different to anyone else, we will be forced to choose sides if this conflict erupts)

I will list what i think, others can throw in opinions on those lists and additions to them.

So

BoB + Allies...
For Sure: MC, FiX, Xelas
Potential: LV, V, ISS

D2 + Allies
For sure: Morsus Mihi, Razor, Kith of Venal, IRON
Potential: RedSwarm, AAA, IAC, Freedom, ASCN, POS

The line ups look in favour of the agressors, but of course its MUCH harder to attack than to defend. The british in me wants to see the underdog win, but the realist in me sees only one winner.

I suggest that this thread isnt for those protagonists that will be involved, but more those that would like to express an opinion in who would be victor in such a conflict.

And what a conflict it would be... not sure the rumours are true though, if only.

(flame suit on :(, hopefully won't need it)

oodin
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:06:00 - [2]
 

can we be in the middle?

Local pusher
Caldari
Narcotic empire
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:07:00 - [3]
 

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Fi T'Zeh
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:11:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 03/01/2007 12:11:13
We are bob, no one likes us, we don't care.

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:12:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Local pusher

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It'd be an intresting fight to be honest, both have very capable pvp sides, and they industrial backing that few can match.

Honestly, it may not even happen, it'd be intresting.

Adam C
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:16:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 13:01:25
as much as i respect you

this is a premature thread sure it may lead somewhere, but still...


....pfft.... edited that out

WetRain
Minmatar
The Executioners
Capital.Punishment
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:17:00 - [7]
 

BoB doesnt need allies Neutral

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:18:00 - [8]
 

Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.

Hey You
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:19:00 - [9]
 

First - That would be best think for EvE. A global war. Second - Not another BoB thread. Third - Will never happend. Fourth - Would a hug help?

Adam C
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:19:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 12:20:53
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.


unless your privy to facts, i wiser guess would be they are in fact ultimate fkin carebears in it for the isk and pve gameplay

this is misinformation, i think

Wendat Huron
Gallente
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:21:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.


Sounds to me like you want BoB to invade D2 space so your corporation can rent Venal.

Nez Perces
Amarr
Metatron Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:24:00 - [12]
 



Well.. for this thread to turn into something interesting, I think we need some more evidence that this is indeed on the cards.

So Eddz... would you mind sharing with the eager viewer, what exactly makes you think such a war is afoot?

One could conclude that the IAC<>ISS war is the catalyser for such a conflict.... its certainly the hottest war happening atm. And already some of the protagonists you have mentioned in your lineup have weighed in.. mainly MC/FIX/RA/Goons/TCF/AAA.

But.. that does not mean D2 and BoB are about to swing blows at eachother... we could go another 6 months without anything major happening.

Yes IRON is down south harrasing FIX and E-R are in fountain....expeditionary forces perhaps? ... but its a quite a leap to suggest that a full scale D2<>BoB mobilisiation is forthcoming.

Obviously you must know something extra... care to share it? Smile


Nahual
Gallente
NibbleTek
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Adam C
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.


unless your privvy* to facts, i wiser guess would be they are in fact ultimate fkin carebears in it for the isk and pve gameplay


Down adam, I know I've criticised D2 a fair bit in the past, but I personally cant wait for the fun to happy, I think D2's big projects are out of the way and they're looking for some fun (I know how much fun the old campagins were). I think personally, that d2 will have more friends, bob is more isolated than D2 is, and even if Bob is better than D2 - their friends definately aren't on the same level.

Note: MC is not considered a bob friend as they are bob alts Twisted Evil

katz3
Gallente
PPN United
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:28:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Adam C
Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 12:17:34
as much as i respect you

this is a premature thread sure it may lead somewhere, but still...


d2+ will rollover and die faster then ascn has, if bob attacked (in conquest mode) right now, considering toxin
softening up the north a considerable amount


right...you better go hug your npc station really fast !! Laughing

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:31:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Nez Perces


Well.. for this thread to turn into something interesting, I think we need some more evidence that this is indeed on the cards.


Lets assume we have the evidence, for the sake of "fun" then, what do you think would happen if this was idd "on the cards".

The debate in KIA has raged all morning, with different people strongly arguing the case for each side, and idd each sides potential involvees.

I have no evidence that I am able to share, sorry, so you'll just have to do "conjecture and speculation" :)

Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:41:00 - [16]
 

napping everyone to stick it to someone usually doesnt work. Sure d2 can most likely mobilize the nap city the north has become but lets think for a second how effective this kind of invasion would be considering server stability and the duration it would take to really do serious damage.

Lets not forget that bob is different steel then i.e. ASCN for example.

As other posters stated i can forsee a roadtrip but i doubt d2 and allies would want to dedicate the next 6+ months to siege bob space.

Nez Perces
Amarr
Metatron Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:44:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 12:45:53


Originally by: KIAEddZ

I have no evidence that I am able to share, sorry, so you'll just have to do "conjecture and speculation" :)


boo... hiss... Wink

k... well lets play anyways.. sounds fun.

Lets pretend this is actually gonna happen. And if so it would be all out war across EVE, no entity would be untouched by it. Thats for sure.

I think to make any kind of analysis one has to break the protagonists into power blocks that have their own political and military gravitational field.

Also I believe that such a war would not be only about D2 vs BoB, the protagonists on either side would use the war to further their own objectives.

So lets line up the power blocks: on one side D2, RAGooons, AAA and on the other BoB and LV.

K now... lets look at which of these already has their hands full with a raging war. LV and RAGoon are squared up and kind of neutralise eachother.

That leaves D2/AAA vs BoB. (note that i'm treating these as power blocks with their accompanying allies, just to simplify things)

K the key here is AAA imo.. they are the wildcard.... if AAA have already napped with D2, this whole thing *is* gonna happen.

And if D2+allies pull out all the stops and AAA play for keeps...... my conclusion is that BoB+tennants will get overrun.

What do you think about that Eddz? Smile


Nekumi
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:45:00 - [18]
 

I think two most likely things that might happen as a result of this big of a conflict would be...

1. In the short-term for mercs it'll seem like a wet dream but it'll eventually mean the death of the industry until it is resolved one way or the other. With something on this scale, you will have to pick your sides and stick with them through hell or high water.

2. The second and most horrendous thing will be what will happen to these forums. Whoring and trolling will reach new depths and depravities.

Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:45:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ

Like many others I have heard rumours that D2 are actively napping, in preperation for Invasion of Bob home space....


*snicker*

So many, so, so obvious jokes to be made here.

Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:49:00 - [20]
 

If AAA + D2 team up with RAGOON i see very little standing in their way.

If D2 extend their manufacturing to their new allies at a cheaper price (D2 is and allways has been the strongest manufacturing alliance ingame but don't take that as they are care bares because their not) then i have no doubt in my mind no matter what stands infront of them if it be BoB/MC/LV/FIX group, they D2 side will win without a doubt.

AAA alone would hurt bob beyond recognition, RAGOON would be a very big threat to bob solo, but with all three combined, BoB wouldn't stand a chance, since LV would be more concerned about their own home, whereas FIX/MC wouldnt have the numbers to stand up against AAA/D2/RAGOON.

HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:54:00 - [21]
 

It's always funny to hear of D2 and Goon working together, but then in saying that D2 and AAA's relationship goes without saying and you ofc have a link with AAA and RA. So yea you never know.

I think in all honesty Goon and D2 would easily forget the past for the opportunity to take a genuine shot at BoB, however in my honest opinion it's not D2 nor Goon BoB will really sweat over, everyone keeps mentioning D2 and while they have a titan they've also sat up north and grown fat. What about the inshape AAA who've spent the past... well since their inception fighting Cap wars with AXE and them carebears they nicked Catch off.

Where as D2 has had a horrid time with Goonswarm and then with TCF, on both occastions underperforming from what many people expected from an alliance whom's heritage stems from G.

It probably will happen, but i don't view this as a D2 vs BoB thing, give the other alliances involved some credit especially the likes of RA/LV who've been fighting once of the most bitter and strategically advanced war for over a year now.

Need some salt, pop corn and maybe some nachos, although i cba with the nice salsa source cos it gives me a backside like the japanese flag.

Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:57:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
It's always funny to hear of D2 and Goon working together, but then in saying that D2 and AAA's relationship goes without saying and you ofc have a link with AAA and RA. So yea you never know.

I think in all honesty Goon and D2 would easily forget the past for the opportunity to take a genuine shot at BoB, however in my honest opinion it's not D2 nor Goon BoB will really sweat over, everyone keeps mentioning D2 and while they have a titan they've also sat up north and grown fat. What about the inshape AAA who've spent the past... well since their inception fighting Cap wars with AXE and them carebears they nicked Catch off.

Where as D2 has had a horrid time with Goonswarm and then with TCF, on both occastions underperforming from what many people expected from an alliance whom's heritage stems from G.

It probably will happen, but i don't view this as a D2 vs BoB thing, give the other alliances involved some credit especially the likes of RA/LV who've been fighting once of the most bitter and strategically advanced war for over a year now.

Need some salt, pop corn and maybe some nachos, although i cba with the nice salsa source cos it gives me a backside like the japanese flag.



I agree with you,

AAA alone would be more than a match for BoB imo.

They are more ruthless than bob and they do what it takes to win.

KIATheClash
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:58:00 - [23]
 

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jnky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:59:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: jnky on 03/01/2007 12:59:56
Where do you get some of this from.
Why would MC have an interest?
Potential: LV, V, ISS.....why?
Potential: RedSwarm, AAA, IAC, Freedom, ASCN(dead btw), POS.....why?

skilzrulz
Gallente
0neZeR0 Enterprises
Posted - 2007.01.03 12:59:00 - [25]
 

Go bob!

Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
Posted - 2007.01.03 13:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: jnky
Edited by: jnky on 03/01/2007 12:59:56
Where do you get some of this from.
Why would MC have an interest?
Potential: LV, V, ISS.....why?
Potential: RedSwarm, AAA, IAC, Freedom, ASCN(dead btw), POS.....why?


ASCN aren't dead lol.

DANGEROUS
Gallente
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.01.03 13:02:00 - [27]
 

imho D2 wont attack bob

However, i am sure BoB will attck them and this is where there could be a real fight. With its allies D2 may hold.
D2 is alone not capable of fighting off a FULL bob invaasion imo. to many skilled pilots are no longer flying under the D2 banner. Although maybe i am just not up to date!

D2 will let BoB come to them and use the advantage of working in their own backyard.

Dracorimus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.03 13:02:00 - [28]
 

Intriguing, well it certainly would be a fight of epic proportions now wouldn't it, one that would certainly be remembered in the history books.
Personally I would love it, more pew pew = more fun and more entertainment for me and my alliance which is a good thing !!

As has been said, it's always the hardest being the aggressor, so I would hope whomever it was/is that does come, has a serious backbone and lasts longer than 3 months, can take losing and can backup there forum posturing with in-game actions......and prove it !

If it does happen then I expect nothing less.....

Wink

Zylatis
Caldari
Baptism oF Fire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.01.03 13:08:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57
dont forget CORE on D2 side!

We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour

-Z

Nez Perces
Amarr
Metatron Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.03 13:12:00 - [30]
 



Originally by: Dracorimus


As has been said, it's always the hardest being the aggressor, so I would hope whomever it was/is that does come, has a serious backbone and lasts longer than 3 months, can take losing and can backup there forum posturing with in-game actions......and prove it !

If it does happen then I expect nothing less.....

Wink


I think the interesting thing here is that this only works.. if D2 are the agressors....are they capable of it? who knows....

It only really makes sense if D2 initiates it.... lets face it BoB are going to have to micro-manage ASCN space for a little while. AAA have to mirco-manage ex-AXE space.

Neither of those is going to want to embark on operations on the other side of the galaxy for at least another couple of months... D2 has to do the legwork here.. if they don't, this is not going to happen.

If D2 don't make a move.. like soon.... they are gonna find BoB completely rested and in their backyard... and BoB on the offensive is much more dangerous than BoB defending, not because they are bad at defending but because they excel at offensive combat, its their bread and butter. I don't think there is a single entity in the game that can stand up to BoB on the offensive and certainly AAA aren't going to run up north to defend D2 space.

So if D2 want to enlist AAA's participation.. they have to move soon or not at all.

In conclusion.. either D2 go on the offensive or 3 months down the line they are going to have BoB all over them up north, the question is do D2 want an offensive war or a defensive one? And there is no way BoB is gonna let D2 sit in the north building Titans for ever.



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