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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.27 11:24:00 - [1]
 

Sick of losing ships to CCP and lag/disconnect

Fear not.

Buy 1 x Caldari Navy Raven (normal Raven will suffice just....)

7 Tech 2 Cruise
1 Gist XL Booster (I use B type)
2 x Tech II Amps
3 x Invuln IIs

4 PDU II
1 BCU II

3 Cap Recharge Rigs (could do 2 recharge and 1 bettery, didnt test stacking results)

B4 you go into the mission, whatever it is, switch on your shield booster. 1060 rep every 4 secs. Nothing breaks it, not even the Angel Extravaganza Extra Mission.

Safe as houses. xx Merry Christmas.

I'm such a nice person.

Majutsu
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.27 11:34:00 - [2]
 

Wow I never would have thought that, thanks for such a wonderful insight.

Now where did I leave that spare few billion ISK

velocoraptor
Art of War
Cult of War
Posted - 2006.12.27 11:48:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: velocoraptor on 27/12/2006 11:49:17
Originally by: Majutsu
Wow I never would have thought that, thanks for such a wonderful insight.

Now where did I leave that spare few billion ISK


They're right there mate, next to mine...Very Happy

Well, I guess what he meant was that with the new cap rigs you can perma-run a gist x-large booster. He's right I think as I saw this discussed extensivelly somewhere else recently, which of course makes this post eeem, unecessary, but, hey, a christmass gift is always welcome even when useless. It's the thought that counts.Very Happy

Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2006.12.27 12:14:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Zeknichov on 27/12/2006 12:23:30
Edited by: Zeknichov on 27/12/2006 12:17:13
Hey at least the rigs have a use...

PS. With maxed cap skills you can use an x-type and drop a PDU for another BCU. If you use npc specific resistance amplifiers.

mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
Posted - 2006.12.27 12:19:00 - [5]
 

I go with 3x sheild resistance rigs on my normal raven, works just as fine. Altho i have not done any math.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2006.12.27 12:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
B4 you go into the mission, whatever it is, switch on your shield booster. 1060 rep every 4 secs. Nothing breaks it, not even the Angel Extravaganza Extra Mission.



I can think of at least one mission where killing the wrong npc first would bring upon you enough dps to break your tank (blood raider blockade, where you can get up to 22 BS, 15 or so cruisers and loads of destroyers at the same time), but that's pretty extreme anyway...

Wouldn't 2 of those rigs that reduce the cap used by shield boosters and hardeners be more effective than 2 cap recharge rigs?

I'm going with two of those rigs, one cap recharge rig, and the usual T2 XL boost/SBA II/4 active hardeners, and probably 3 PDU II/2 BCU II. For angel missions. For serpentis/guristas I have an Astarte, which do the job better.

Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2006.12.27 13:01:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: KIAEddZ
B4 you go into the mission, whatever it is, switch on your shield booster. 1060 rep every 4 secs. Nothing breaks it, not even the Angel Extravaganza Extra Mission.



I can think of at least one mission where killing the wrong npc first would bring upon you enough dps to break your tank (blood raider blockade, where you can get up to 22 BS, 15 or so cruisers and loads of destroyers at the same time), but that's pretty extreme anyway...

Wouldn't 2 of those rigs that reduce the cap used by shield boosters and hardeners be more effective than 2 cap recharge rigs?

I'm going with two of those rigs, one cap recharge rig, and the usual T2 XL boost/SBA II/4 active hardeners, and probably 3 PDU II/2 BCU II. For angel missions. For serpentis/guristas I have an Astarte, which do the job better.


No those mods aren't as effective. The reason people can sustain x-large gist boosters is because they use less than half the cap of a regular x-large cap booster and therefore benefit from those rigs half as much which makes them less effective then using using cap recharging rigs.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.27 14:02:00 - [8]
 

My booster in that setup gives me 1060 Rep every 4 seconds for 176.6 cap. I have fire rate of 8.4ish seconds on my tech 2 cruise launchers.

With the setup I have outlined, the tank runs indeffinately. All in all it works well.

I was sick of losing ships to level 4 missions because of module lag etc, this is my solution.

2 bill well invested tbh.

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2006.12.28 15:42:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/12/2006 15:43:01
I guess only NOSing Dark Bloods will worry you then :)

Hey... I ...um.... Need help with this mission... here is a gang invite...
/me shhush's lofty in the background

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.28 15:50:00 - [10]
 

man i wish i had a few billion isk between the seats of my Badger....

Taipan Gedscho
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.28 16:01:00 - [11]
 

i have a somewhat stupid question. i could work it out, by checking it under the "variations" tab, but that is rather tedious... maybe somebody knows it by heart and cares for enlightening me: how are the gist Shield boosters ranked? i mean, which is the worst, which is the best? do they all have the same cycle time? at what price range am i looking?

im sick of armour tanking missions...

Tyler Lowe
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
Posted - 2006.12.28 16:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Taipan Gedscho
i have a somewhat stupid question. i could work it out, by checking it under the "variations" tab, but that is rather tedious... maybe somebody knows it by heart and cares for enlightening me: how are the gist Shield boosters ranked? i mean, which is the worst, which is the best? do they all have the same cycle time? at what price range am i looking?

im sick of armour tanking missions...


Gist X type: best cap efficiency, largest boost per second, most cap used per second
Gist B type: middle of the road efficiency, middle of the road boost per second, middle of the road cap per second used
Gist C type: poorest cap efficiency, poorest boost per second, least cap used per second

Gist A types do not drop larger than small in size AFAIK.

Obviously, the ideal situation would be sustaining a Gist X type XL shield booster, but the X type is the hardest to pull that off with. The easiest to permatank is the Gist C type, but you suffer some pretty severe performance drops as compared to an X type. This, combined with price for Gist X type mods, makes the Gist B type large and extra large boost modules a popular choice.

XL boosters:
Gist C: 450-650 million
Gist B: 600-800 million
Gist X: 1-1.2 billion

EPSILON DELTA
Posted - 2006.12.28 18:42:00 - [13]
 

Once you do the lv4 mission once you can do it 100 times without fear of losing your ship.
and if you are in low sercuity, good luck flying around in that 2.5bil CNR.

just fit 7siege+3bcu setup, fit whatever tank around it, with good skills and experience you can still pull off 95% lv4 missions, and much much faster too compared to 7 cruise, and much cheaper to lose.

Xlunax
Posted - 2006.12.28 19:19:00 - [14]
 

Can someone please say the exact name of the "cap" rig module that is being discussed. I'm trying to find them in contracts and I have no idea what to look for. Thanks in advance!

Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
The Cool Kids Club
Posted - 2006.12.28 19:27:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Xlunax
Can someone please say the exact name of the "cap" rig module that is being discussed. I'm trying to find them in contracts and I have no idea what to look for. Thanks in advance!


They're talkin bout the Capacitor Control Circuit, its available on the market, last time i checked goes for about 70 mil or so, or you can jus salvage and build your own.

Aiden Carlyle
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.29 07:40:00 - [16]
 

7 Tech II Cruise (rat specific missiles)
1 small tractor beam

Gist X-type Xlarge SB
Thon Invul
Kaika Invul
Pith X-type amp
Gist X-type Primary rat damage
Gist-X-type secondary rat damage

Setele modified PDU
Dark blood modified PDU
3 x Dreadguristas BCU

3 x Capacitor Control Circuit rigs.

= AFK mission farming.

Gee'Kin
Tha Specialz
Posted - 2006.12.29 08:35:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Gee''Kin on 29/12/2006 08:35:53
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Sick of losing ships to CCP and lag/disconnect

Fear not.

Buy 1 x Caldari Navy Raven (normal Raven will suffice just....)

7 Tech 2 Cruise
1 Gist XL Booster (I use B type)
2 x Tech II Amps
3 x Invuln IIs

4 PDU II
1 BCU II

3 Cap Recharge Rigs (could do 2 recharge and 1 bettery, didnt test stacking results)

B4 you go into the mission, whatever it is, switch on your shield booster. 1060 rep every 4 secs. Nothing breaks it, not even the Angel Extravaganza Extra Mission.

Safe as houses. xx Merry Christmas.

I'm such a nice person.



Can be cheaper.

Train Caldari Cruiser lvl5 ,
Engineering skill lvl 5
BC Lvl 5
Command to LVL 5
Heavy missle skills to LVL4

Take a nighthawk. pimp it with rat specific hardners and cap/pdu + faction repper + amp t2
And u have a nice INF tank for lvl 4s. works like a charm.

6+7 angel Bs can be tanked inf :P

Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2006.12.29 08:48:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Aiden Carlyle
7 Tech II Cruise (rat specific missiles)
1 small tractor beam

Gist X-type Xlarge SB
Thon Invul
Kaika Invul
Pith X-type amp
Gist X-type Primary rat damage
Gist-X-type secondary rat damage

Setele modified PDU
Dark blood modified PDU
3 x Dreadguristas BCU

3 x Capacitor Control Circuit rigs.

= AFK mission farming.


I figure that after your ship reaches the 3b isk mark missions should start to become just a tad easy.

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2006.12.29 08:50:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Aiden Carlyle
7 Tech II Cruise (rat specific missiles)
1 small tractor beam

Gist X-type Xlarge SB
Thon Invul
Kaika Invul
Pith X-type amp
Gist X-type Primary rat damage
Gist-X-type secondary rat damage

Setele modified PDU
Dark blood modified PDU
3 x Dreadguristas BCU

3 x Capacitor Control Circuit rigs.

= AFK mission farming.


I figure that after your ship reaches the 3b isk mark missions should start to become just a tad easy.


To be honest, at 3bil, thats roughly 25-30 ravens with t1 fitouts. If you could get 25+ ravens on your lvl4, then you deserve to be able to afk it

Local pusher
Posted - 2006.12.29 12:01:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Gee'Kin
Edited by: Gee''Kin on 29/12/2006 08:35:53
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Sick of losing ships to CCP and lag/disconnect

Fear not.

Buy 1 x Caldari Navy Raven (normal Raven will suffice just....)

7 Tech 2 Cruise
1 Gist XL Booster (I use B type)
2 x Tech II Amps
3 x Invuln IIs

4 PDU II
1 BCU II

3 Cap Recharge Rigs (could do 2 recharge and 1 bettery, didnt test stacking results)

B4 you go into the mission, whatever it is, switch on your shield booster. 1060 rep every 4 secs. Nothing breaks it, not even the Angel Extravaganza Extra Mission.

Safe as houses. xx Merry Christmas.

I'm such a nice person.



Can be cheaper.

Train Caldari Cruiser lvl5 ,
Engineering skill lvl 5
BC Lvl 5
Command to LVL 5
Heavy missle skills to LVL4

Take a nighthawk. pimp it with rat specific hardners and cap/pdu + faction repper + amp t2
And u have a nice INF tank for lvl 4s. works like a charm.

6+7 angel Bs can be tanked inf :P


Sure... only problem is that you need alt in geddon ganking rats for you unless you want to grow old while doing lvl4 missions. (yes 3x dg bcus & dg heavys just don't cut it and javelin hams aren't out yet)

Doragee
Minmatar
Unknown Society
Posted - 2006.12.29 12:13:00 - [21]
 

Cheaper?
A bit less skill intensive?
No problem:

Standard Raven
6 Arbalest CMs, 2 Heavy NOS
Gist XL B Type, Gist B Type SBA, 1 Invul T2, 1 Gist C Explo (against Angels, any other rat specific T2 fits here, too), 2 CPR T2
3 PDU T2, 1 BCU T2 and 1 beta cap flux 29% (yeah, right these sh*** flux thingies!)

No Rigs

With 5 LG Crystals it gives you 1001 boost / 4 secs / 24/7 cap stable w. 8,5mio SP!

Cons:
- less resistance

I haven't tried the AE Bonus 'till now but even against EM heavy rats (Amarr navy e.g.) i never dropped below 50% shield before the heavy dmg NPC's popped...

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2007.01.02 09:46:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 02/01/2007 09:47:04
Originally by: Doragee
Cheaper?
A bit less skill intensive?
No problem:

Standard Raven
6 Arbalest CMs, 2 Heavy NOS
Gist XL B Type, Gist B Type SBA, 1 Invul T2, 1 Gist C Explo (against Angels, any other rat specific T2 fits here, too), 2 CPR T2
3 PDU T2, 1 BCU T2 and 1 beta cap flux 29% (yeah, right these sh*** flux thingies!)

No Rigs

With 5 LG Crystals it gives you 1001 boost / 4 secs / 24/7 cap stable w. 8,5mio SP!

Cons:
- less resistance

I haven't tried the AE Bonus 'till now but even against EM heavy rats (Amarr navy e.g.) i never dropped below 50% shield before the heavy dmg NPC's popped...


Yeah, but the point of the OP was that his setup can tank all lvl4's afk forever. Severe lag means your weapons, even though activated, do not fire (and yes, I tested this post rev - Good old vengence bost squashed in armour - sever lag, and when lag clears, he is full shield again, and damage logs confirm lack of missiles) so your setup could lose out to module lag.

Stragely enough, your shild booster still appears to work when lagged though :)

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.01.02 10:29:00 - [23]
 

i use

6X 9000 XT launcher
2X E500 nos

1X c5-l Xl shieldboost
1X amplifier
4X rat specific hardener

4X pdu
1X bcu 2 <------OMFG ITS TECH 2

5X vespa
5X hornet

This setup + brains if they work together can run lvl 4 quite easily

never lost it....to rats. got ganked by pirates though,but that was my own fault. I was getting lazy and didnt pay attention.

Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:30:00 - [24]
 

i have a pretty similar set up, the only thing i am unsure of

I used to use a XL clarity, now i use a XL T2, takes alot more cap, but much more boost. Think i should keep the t2 ?

Shi'ra Kull
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:33:00 - [25]
 

We can only hope CCP introduces some random factor to missions prevent this really.

Phant Zon
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:42:00 - [26]
 

Personally, my own preferred method for this is to run lev 4s in a t1 phoon. If you scout around for a cheap one, insurance will cover ship + fittings easially. And its certainly alot more entertaining than sitting like a lump on a log and just pressing f1-6 in a zombielike fashion.

Its also totally worth the replies when corpmates ask what your flying and what your setup is.

zyto
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:44:00 - [27]
 

This can do 95% of all missions.. and costs nothing compared to these, there just isn't reason to be spending 2 bil on a mission ship.

6xcruise ii 2xheavy nos
1xLarge SB ii 5xhardener ii
3xbcu ii 2xpdu ii

Throw in 5 heavy shield drones from another char and you'll basiclly never have to touch the booster.

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:47:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Shi'ra Kull
We can only hope CCP introduces some random factor to missions prevent this really.


If they do, they wreck the faction item market and if that happens, running 0.0 plexes will become obsolete for most parts which in return will stop the ISK from flowing around causing overall (although not major) stagnation of market.

Never treat the symptom, always treat the cause.

Shi'ra Kull
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:53:00 - [29]
 

The cause being that missions, like complexes are too predictable allowing people to learn them inside out and then semi afk them.

Hence my suggestion of a random factor.

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2007.01.02 11:54:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Shi'ra Kull
We can only hope CCP introduces some random factor to missions prevent this really.


Lets be honest here - Most people mission run to get isk for pvp. Some run it for relaxations, but the main reason is more intresting way of getting isk than, say mining or whatever. At the end of the day, all isk is basically useless unless it is being used in pvp or invested to generate isk for..... more pvp. You guys have no idea who the OP is, and he sure aint no carebear!

If he spend 2-3bil buying 20-30 ravens with cheap t1 fittings and FOF cruise, they could afk lvl4's as well. Lag is the random faction in lvl4's atm, and the most isk people make in lvl4's - they less time they spend mission running and the more time they spend pvping.


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