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Col Callahan
Caldari
Boogie Monsters
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:05:00 - [1]
 

OK I want the back ground on both alliances.....who in eve hates them, loves them or doesn't care about them. also, why did ASCN lose the war with Bob, or is there going to be some epic last stand that will save ASCN from total BOB annihilation.

THIS IS WERE EVERY ONE GET'S THERE IMPUTArrow

Im liseningCool

DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:06:00 - [2]
 

everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D)


darklegionca
Caldari
Dark Deliverance Holdings
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:08:00 - [3]
 

ascn lost the war cuz they were not ready to take on a miltary style assault that bob dished out on to them making them lose there titan and there leader i am on the fence with both sides as i dont take sides so ya thats my imput

Himani Yeshua
Caldari
PezCo - Ice Services
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:08:00 - [4]
 

Yea, everyone pretty much hates BoB, but for reasons like, "OMG WE WENT TO WAR N THEY BLOBBED US NERF BOB!1!!" and other fun stuff like that.

Jason Marshall
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:09:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Jason Marshall on 14/12/2006 06:09:03
Originally by: DeadProphet
everybody hates us, and ASCN haven't lost the war (yet! :D)




Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word....



These views in no way represent my corp or alliance.

BobFromMarketing
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:12:00 - [6]
 

Most people hate BoB, as to why, most the reasons I see are just whiners.

ASCN hasn't lost but our rigid command severely cripples us.


Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:14:00 - [7]
 

I don't hate my alliance... >_> I mean.. I don't hate BoB.

Col Callahan
Caldari
Boogie Monsters
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:21:00 - [8]
 

Right, that ansures one of my Q", what about were BoB came from?>>

what make's them so powerfull. Is it capital might or just plan numbers?

ProphetGuru
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jason Marshall

Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word....






Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it.

Jealousy.


Aramova
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:39:00 - [10]
 

The history of how ASCN was formed is right Here

MysticNZ
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:40:00 - [11]
 

I think this battle still has along way to go, but in the end I see bob winning as they have the isk and the powerhouse behind them.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2006.12.14 06:46:00 - [12]
 

I think it's a lot of hate/jealousy/fear that people feel toward BoB. It's this one uber pvp alliance nobody can stop. From what I've seen nobody even comes close to stopping. So when you have that people are gonna have all kinda negative opinions.

I like to root for the underdog, and BoB ain't no underdog, so it's hard to root for them.

MoeStyles
New Eden Logistics
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: ProphetGuru

Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it.

Jealousy.


And probably a good deal of just plain old fear.

Paladineguru
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: ProphetGuru
Originally by: Jason Marshall

Its not hate....its a distrust....loathing.....i dont have the word....






Let me supply you with the word since you seem unable bring yourself to utter it.

Jealousy.




LaughingLaughing I dont hate BOB I love them
They drop tech 2 Twisted Evil

Paladineguru
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:14:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Paladineguru on 14/12/2006 07:16:35
Edited by: Paladineguru on 14/12/2006 07:15:30
Originally by: Frug
I think it's a lot of hate/jealousy/fear that people feel toward BoB. It's this one uber pvp alliance nobody can stop. From what I've seen nobody even comes close to stopping. So when you have that people are gonna have all kinda negative opinions.

I like to root for the underdog, and BoB ain't no underdog, so it's hard to root for them.


G one little letter one big history and dont forget Fix who also I believe held thier own and won bobs respect

Arlenik Emmanouelik
Republic of Red Army
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:18:00 - [16]
 

I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess.

I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses.

Seran O'Car
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:19:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Seran O''Car on 14/12/2006 07:23:48
Can't sleep.

Actually. It's more like this.

BoB is so dominant in eve, their the groupe to beat. Everyone loves the underdog and hates the champion. But there you go. BoB have for two years now. Been very dominant, Ever since Blacklight, Molle and Galvajet hocked up in late 2004 they haven't looked back. And is quite rightly the groupe to beat.

Ascn is more like the rich, large collective og diffrent sorts of carebears/hobbits who rather enjoy the finer things in life. Your regular art buff some might say. :D Their founded upon the ruins of xetic alliance. Very much like a the current ASCN alliance. Just whit more carebears.

Ppl usually find their own reasons for hating each groupe. Personally I don't care either way. And many more should just quit this unconstructive I hate these ppl becus they presively do it in a way that I don't like. Just enjoy the game ppl. When you wake up tomorrow, all this will not matter at all once you start heading off to work.

(I reserve the right to not include ppl who actually make a living off this game:p) Da-mn you lucky bastards.

So stop taking events in here so personally.

Now get into my bellie!!! I'm higher up the food-chain than you.!.

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:20:00 - [18]
 

This thread kinda seems like flame bait, but I'll be constructive.
Most people with an interest in EVE care about ASCN and BOB, although many of us don't love or hate either one.
It seems you hay be interested in the history of the alliances so you can get loads of info about BOB's history at RKK's Forum History Section and Blacklight's Blog

Kiyano
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:29:00 - [19]
 

Most people hate BoB because they're ruthless and nastily efficent. They don't feel sympathy for you and will show you no quater. They will quite simply take what you have without thinking twice if you have something worth taking. Their communist structure and sheer momentum coupled with strong leaders and high levels of efficencly usually lets them take on forces when greatly outnumbered.

See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000)
People also hate BoB because so far nobody has been able to put them in their place... hence they're place is anywhere they want really.

Thor Xian
Rebirth.
THE GOD SQUAD
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:33:00 - [20]
 

BoB isn't predictable and while the majority of what they do makes sense once you understand the mentality, sometimes you don't see it coming, and if you do...it's because they told you its coming.

ASCN may yet try to pull out of this little ISK whirlpool, but they lost their leader right after their leader lost their Flagship, and that certainly won't be inspiring anyone to fight.

It is my opinion that the reason ASCN and AXE were even invited to participate in the TRUST debacle was so BoB could get a close up look of the ASCN Capital Fleet. BoB didn't need ASCN or AXE help any more than ASCN needed BoB's help to put up outposts. BoB has no doubt been planning the invasion of ASCN for some time, and I'm sure they already have battle plans for every possible invasion scenario they might partake in. That is just good military strategy.

Plan to conquer the world, even if you don't plan to.

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:46:00 - [21]
 

I can honestly say that I don't like either entity very much.

I'm fairly sure ASCN would be just as annoying as BOB if they were as powerful, too (they were showing very definite signs of this a few months back). And I never liked Evolution.

Certain individuals, and individual corporations, in both alliances I respect, though.

James Pond
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:47:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik
I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess.

I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses.


i beleive ASCN taxes at stations is 10% how is that taxing the crap out of its members, other allainces have higher rates than that. The titan was kept secret so that the POS where it was being built would net get destroyed, its a well known fact that within ASCN there are alot of spies, the way the build of the titan was handled was probably the way most alliances would have done it, most of LV didnt know about there titan being built either.

the titan was called steve actually, a name that was chosen by the members of the alliance.

so in all fairness your post is a complete load of rubbish.

Seran O'Car
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:55:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Thor Xian
BoB isn't predictable and while the majority of what they do makes sense once you understand the mentality, sometimes you don't see it coming, and if you do...it's because they told you its coming.



WTH are you on about? You can read BoB as an open book.

On the trust affair, trust clearly was making a bit to big of an impact on the capitol market, a market that clearly goes against BoB's own security.

PA war, BoB hate them whit a passion. When they moved back up to Branch after the curse bit. You could just sence they where bored an was looking to settle old scores. (PA had been selfrightus on the forum some time before BoB took action) The entire Curse affair was drawing to a close.

In the months before the ASCN bit they where severly bored. I personally thought they whould go after D2. But apparently they didn't bother the long haul. There where very few others around who could give them a challange. And that public Avatar didn't help things either.

Every supricing action Molle have announced, you could have senced on the forum weeks prior.

But then again. It's so much easier to be the general after the war isn't it?

Ironically though. That once BoB went up against ASCN. Every alliance and corp in eve saw the timing just ripe and perfect to build their very own ms and titans. I forsee the beginning of the end of something great.

You got to love BoB though. Molle and his posts on the forum just kicks that extra bit of life into the community. Keeps everyone just slightly on edge. :)




Carmizan
DOCS RUFF RIDERS
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2006.12.14 07:55:00 - [24]
 

I do not hate BOB i have the upmost respect for them. They do not hide behind fancy words, they are what they say they are PVP'ers and they enjoy what they do.

In my opinion they are the next M00 the only difference is moo took on ccp, BoB just do not care who they take on.

And finaly about the war it was a for gone conculsion right from the start who was going to win the war and thats BoB as they will not stop until they win and theres the difference.

Col Short
Posted - 2006.12.14 08:05:00 - [25]
 

Quote:
See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000)


OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHTExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamation

Arlenik Emmanouelik
Republic of Red Army
Posted - 2006.12.14 08:07:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: James Pond
Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik
I dislike ASCN very much, eventhough in the beginning I wanted to join them. I believe in taxing, but ASCN taxes the crap out of its members just so the very few people at the top fulfill their own person enjoyment. They had a project to build a titan, but they were only risking to tell 3 of their members about the project. That tells me how much they trust one and other. And when its all said and done, they build the thing and name it CYVOK, the name of the CEO of the executor corporation. The very least you could do was to name it something that would relate to all the hard work your members put into the project, not your selfish head. I can't believe people still fall for that alliance and join them. Sad but true I guess.

I only have one thing to say about BoB...RESPECT. I don't think people hate BoB, except those who lose their ships to them. Its just that they want to have what they have. Power, wealth, and alot of ASCN corpses.


i beleive ASCN taxes at stations is 10% how is that taxing the crap out of its members, other allainces have higher rates than that. The titan was kept secret so that the POS where it was being built would net get destroyed, its a well known fact that within ASCN there are alot of spies, the way the build of the titan was handled was probably the way most alliances would have done it, most of LV didnt know about there titan being built either.

the titan was called steve actually, a name that was chosen by the members of the alliance.

so in all fairness your post is a complete load of rubbish.


The 10% is for the missions and bounties, which is fine. But some of the corps in ASCN have some 20% tax on miners. I know this cause way back I wanted to join some of their industrial corps. A friend of mine wanting to join ASCN found out that some of the corps go as far as checking your hangar to make sure you had paid your dues. Like I said, I have NO problem with taxing, and I think its important. But if you are going to tax your members just so one person can fly a titan with his name on it, thats just total bull crap.

I'm not saying the construction of the titan shouldn't have been kept secret. Its just that, telling only 3 people in your entire alliance of some 4000 people tells alot about the alliance. I wouldn't want to be part of such a group, and I think you missed the point of my post.

And, the titan was indeed named CYVOK, here is the official player news.

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.14 08:07:00 - [27]
 

BOB will continue to go after ASCN until RAGOON get strong enough to swat again the big ? in all of this is D2 and friends and LV. The north could become an issue with bob if RONIN and d2 team up to take RISE out

Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.12.14 08:11:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Carmizan

In my opinion they are the next M00 the only difference is moo took on ccp, BoB just do not care who they take on.



m0o was actually a founding member of Band of Brothers, although BoB was a much looser organization back then and it is questionable if m0o would have joined the In Game Alliance after Exodus.

Plan Neun
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.14 08:14:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Plan Neun on 14/12/2006 08:14:41
I dislike BoB one inch less than ASCN. Wink
Or was it the other way around! Embarassed


Kate Darieux
Unbound.
Posted - 2006.12.14 08:19:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Col Short
Quote:
See BoB (1700 members) vs ASCN (In excess of 5000 before the war, now 4000)


OK, ASCN, If these F##King numbers are right, get every man woman and child into a ship with a gun and send them to bob in 100 ship waves.....take it to them wile you still can, some one stand up and see if your going to lose defending then take the fight to them. you have the numbers. come on, FIGHTExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamation


Even though ASCN has over 4000 members, they never get more than 300 online at a time. Probably because the carebears don't even bother logging in during war time.


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