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Shimakaze
Arcturia Starfleet
Posted - 2006.12.11 05:24:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Shimakaze on 11/12/2006 05:30:28
Originally by: Roddic
if you seriously think about this game is all about being racist. Amarr, Gallente and minmitar. (caldari aren't a race, they are a warlike faction from within the gallente)

amarrs want to enslave every one, minmitar are fighting extra hard not to be anyones lap dogs. and the gallente are having an internal war themeselves. thats right the caldari are gallentes as well, they were'nt happy with the way things where so they wared for change.

so calling someone racist in this game is a bit short sighted. especially since they are planing on the races within this game actually meaning something. in other words it will be race versus race. or creed vs creed. one belife against another.

grow up, he said they where chinease farmers, if he can back up his statement then yes they are chinease farmers. its as simple as that.

if i say theres a man thats racially different to you doing something that you would frown apon but ignore if they where the same as you, and you reacted any differently, then you are the racist. don't try to deny it, the proof is in the pudding, and instead of pointing the finger and jumping up and down, look inside and kick the racist out.

its getting really stupid these days, soon it will be like 'i saw i man stealling an ......' and the guy that got spaken against will be able to claim sexism.

he said chinease. he supposedly has proof. there fore they are chinease. deal with it, now give all the nice pirates their locations and favourite camping grounds, and just maybe they wont shoot you(don't count on it though, they are pirates after all).




I find it quite ridiculous how you can conclude that just because fictional racial differences exist in the game, then it's fine to be "racist" (the term loosely used here, because no one says "nationalist") when referring to real people.

The OP did not provide sufficient evidence that 100% of ISK farmers are Chinese, so he can't go with a sweeping generalization and say that all farmers are Chinese (even though the majority of them could be). I don't know where you learned your logic or reasoning, but in order to prove the truth in a generalization, you need to form some sort of logical statement without the loss of generality. On the other hand, to prove a generalization false, all you need are some counter-examples. For example, you cannot say that all apples in the world are red by showing to the audience that you picked 100 apples and they are all red; however, you can say that not all apples in the world are red by showing only 1 green apple.

EDIT: Oops, got carried away there. To sum it up: No, the OP can't backup his statement, that's the problem.

ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
Posted - 2006.12.11 05:27:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Nox Solaria
Edited by: Nox Solaria on 11/12/2006 03:17:20
Originally by: J Frost
There are 3 reasons for me to hate this post.

1) Chinese farmer do exist, but they are not the only farmer group in EVE or any other online games.

No, they're not the only, just one of the largest that most encounter in Eve.
Originally by: J Frost

2) Complaining the farmers would not be fair enough, while the rule here is: Demand made up the market. So, ISK buyers should be blamed as well.

WRONG. CCP is to blame. Dreadnaughts, Titans, Outposts... all of those things that require absolutely stupid ammounts of these materials.
And of course so that people can actually access enough of these materials CCP introduced items capable of raking in mass quantities, which made the time/ISK ratio low enough for macroers to finally see a real, and easy, profit.


Actually, in 0.0 it's not uncommon to get a hauler spawn of 75mill trit.

An hour or two hauling for a few people and you are a long way towards that cap shipWink


Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2006.12.11 05:50:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Kuolematon on 11/12/2006 05:51:54
Originally by: Hinkledolph
Your not allowed to mention any country that isn't in North America or Europe with anything negative or else your a racist.

Rolling Eyes


I'm too afraid to say "QFT" so I will just say that Finland is racist country and everyone wants to see it go down in fire! LaughingLaughing

(I wasn't racist now!)

But back to topic:

Plex farmers are there to stay. Usually they have 3 accounts (Because most of "eve farmer tip pages" says so and outlines configs and programs to use) and if you think that you can take 'em down with one BS, you will be suprised - as one of our member was while attacking plex farmer in his Megathron LaughingLaughing

/me hides from kieron Embarassed

FunctionX
Posted - 2006.12.11 05:54:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: FunctionX
Edited by: FunctionX on 11/12/2006 02:46:18
If people don't like stereotypes they shouldn't give reason to perpetuate them by conforming with what is hated.


Thank you for your comment, and your words that actually expressed nothing but your miraculous logic while relating complaining to self-perpetuate.


Okay I'll put it into a simpler langauge for you so you can easily digest it. There are stereotypes for a reason since they are often rooted in ugly reality. My skin color is subject to stereotypes as well but it's part of life and I don't take it personally. To ignore the fact that there are Chinese farming groups ruining MMO games coupled with the fact they are heavily dominant is just sad.

The numbers don't lie. Get over it...

Shimakaze
Arcturia Starfleet
Posted - 2006.12.11 06:07:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: FunctionX
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: FunctionX
Edited by: FunctionX on 11/12/2006 02:46:18
If people don't like stereotypes they shouldn't give reason to perpetuate them by conforming with what is hated.


Thank you for your comment, and your words that actually expressed nothing but your miraculous logic while relating complaining to self-perpetuate.


Okay I'll put it into a simpler langauge for you so you can easily digest it. There are stereotypes for a reason since they are often rooted in ugly reality. My skin color is subject to stereotypes as well but it's part of life and I don't take it personally. To ignore the fact that there are Chinese farming groups ruining MMO games coupled with the fact they are heavily dominant is just sad.

The numbers don't lie. Get over it...


ok? Unless I missed something in this thread, no one's ignoring the fact that there are many Chinese ISK farmers in MMO's or EVE. Maybe you're in need of simpler language. How about we use the apple example again? Let's suppose an evil witch poisoned all the apples in the world and anyone who eats it dies. Now FunctionX comes along one day and decides to post a thread on the forums about how all the red apples are so ebil and we should burn all of them, just because 80% of apples are red. The focus here is more about the fact that an apple is red than the fact that the apple is poisoned. Why make a thread to burn only the red apples, while leaving the green, yellow, or black apples to do their evil deeds? Why leave the other 20% of apples to kill people like you, when you can easily just say "Burn all apples!!!11"?

Get it?

FunctionX
Posted - 2006.12.11 06:12:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: FunctionX on 11/12/2006 06:16:11
Originally by: Shimakaze
Originally by: FunctionX
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: FunctionX
Edited by: FunctionX on 11/12/2006 02:46:18
If people don't like stereotypes they shouldn't give reason to perpetuate them by conforming with what is hated.


Thank you for your comment, and your words that actually expressed nothing but your miraculous logic while relating complaining to self-perpetuate.


Okay I'll put it into a simpler langauge for you so you can easily digest it. There are stereotypes for a reason since they are often rooted in ugly reality. My skin color is subject to stereotypes as well but it's part of life and I don't take it personally. To ignore the fact that there are Chinese farming groups ruining MMO games coupled with the fact they are heavily dominant is just sad.

The numbers don't lie. Get over it...


ok? Unless I missed something in this thread, no one's ignoring the fact that there are many Chinese ISK farmers in MMO's or EVE. Maybe you're in need of simpler language. How about we use the apple example again? Let's suppose an evil witch poisoned all the apples in the world and anyone who eats it dies. Now FunctionX comes along one day and decides to post a thread on the forums about how all the red apples are so ebil and we should burn all of them, just because 80% of apples are red. The focus here is more about the fact that an apple is red than the fact that the apple is poisoned. Why make a thread to burn only the red apples, while leaving the green, yellow, or black apples to do their evil deeds? Why leave the other 20% of apples to kill people like you, when you can easily just say "Burn all apples!!!11"?

Get it?


I would only have to agree that burning off the bad red apples would be a damn good start. The other 20% are obviously a work in progress. This would hinder the problem significantly.

One day you'll understand how this problem solves itself I'm sure.

Added: Damn I love red apples IRL.

dennyreborn
Posted - 2006.12.11 06:22:00 - [67]
 

get your friends drive off the farmers.

Cant do that talk up about them having CNR's and goof faction loot. and hope some greedy pirates do the work for you. if you can get them to let you join the gang and help if not clear out of the system for a few days while they shoot anyone in the complex.
If not see if you can petition them for account sharing or macroing ETC.

The original thread poster basically said farmers that happened to be Chinese. And when questioned about how he knew said in a convo attempt he got Chinese characters in his reply. To be honest i don't think he could tell difference between various Asian writing systems apart he might be able to i will have to take his word for it. And since they concludes they are farmers because they are always on. Though he walks on thin ice since it doesn't really matter what country they are from.

so to reiterate because he was referring to farmers at once place at one time it would not be a broad generalization.

J Frost
Gallente
Zan Industries
Posted - 2006.12.11 06:34:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: J Frost on 11/12/2006 06:39:40
Re: FunctionX

Well, I think that I can fully understand what you said, but just not able to apply to the fact which we were talking about.

If ppl is being harmed or treated impolitely, should they just ignore it? Or, let's use your words 'just get over it'?

The fact that MOST ISK farmers in EVE are Chinese MIGHT be true, but not ALL for sure. While the OP is so affirmative that the farmer he saw is Chinese, this fact can be stated too. However, the problem is, is Chinese farmer the only type of farmer that can bother you? If the farmer is not Chinese, then would you allow him or her to continue farming?

Talking about the skin, I really don't wanna be offensive or impolite, but I think you can fully understand how African American are misunderstood in the old time (or maybe even now).

RE: Shimakaze

Yes, I totally agree with your apple theory. In legal cases, there are rules in law (Code Of Civil Law, P.R.China) stating the theory you just mentioned.

1: Onus Probandi

The one who indicts should provide evidence for the guiltiness that he or she assumes, not the one who is being indicted.

2: In-Quotability / Onus Probandi Inversion

For instance, when A indicts B by the guiltiness of thievery, A should provide evidence to proof the fact which he or she assumes, because B is completely NOT able to proof that he or she did NOT steal.

I'm not sure if I had the terms spelled right, nor if they exist in your country. However, I don't think being assumed guilty would be proud for anybody who is actually innocent.

Phant Zon
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.12.11 06:58:00 - [69]
 



WRONG. CCP is to blame. Dreadnaughts, Titans, Outposts... all of those things that require absolutely stupid ammounts of these materials.
And of course so that people can actually access enough of these materials CCP introduced items capable of raking in mass quantities, which made the time/ISK ratio low enough for macroers to finally see a real, and easy, profit.


Wait. Your blaming CCP for people selling ISK because three things that are corp and/or alliance level equipment are out of the reach of a single or small group of players? I can pretty confidently say no Outposts or Titans have been bought with ebayed ISK. Dreads... well I suppose its possible, but they arent mega hard for even a single person to build if they are patient and have access to certain nessessary bps and components. I would geuss that the majority of 'bought' isk goes towards battleships/t2 ships
and exotic/'faction' mods, likely for pve sience noone in their right mind would risk something they bought for RL$$$ in pvp.

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2006.12.11 07:17:00 - [70]
 

Get over the chinese thing. The fact is most of the MMO game farmers are chinese period. Anyway did he say something negative about asians or chinese? Oh ya that's right he did'nt , he simply made the assumption that the isk farmers were chinese, and 90% chance he is right.


I am canadian go ahead call them canadian ISK farmers i couldn;t give a fly F#$% so really cut the imbecile PC attacks on the guy. The day primarily chinese farmers stop ruining these MMO's for westerner'rs is the day they will be refered to as good for nothing chinese farmers mkay? Until then a spade is a spade.


I particularly liked the guy who suggested most of the farmers on his wow server were romainian.... Like he knew all the farmers or something.... sure pal lol.

Shimakaze
Arcturia Starfleet
Posted - 2006.12.11 07:34:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
I particularly liked the guy who suggested most of the farmers on his wow server were romainian.... Like he knew all the farmers or something.... sure pal lol.


And you do?

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
The fact is most of the MMO game farmers are chinese period.


Oh, I guess you do know all of them. Some friends you have.

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Anyway did he say something negative about asians or chinese?


Well, he didn't if you consider ISK farming a good thing.

sigh...

Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.12.11 07:47:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Hakera on 11/12/2006 07:47:01

you do know there is 8 fracking new regions full of drone mins?

Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2006.12.11 08:03:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Hori To on 11/12/2006 08:03:50
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Chinese isk farmers are ruining the game for me. ugh

I am currently trying to find a 5/10 drone complex; I want to collect the compounds for production. However, I am unable to find one that is not occupied by these Chinese isk farmers. They are always there; I left my character cloaked in a safespot for quite some time, and I checked back periodically. Each time I checked, I did a scan of the plex, and I found that those same farmers were there.

This is true for all of the 5/10 plexes I have visited.

Anyways, my question is.. What does CCP plan to do about these farmers, and what should I do so that I will be able to enjoy this game?
Thanks.


Where does it state that all ISK farmers are chinese?

And why does it even matter?

Quit the PC wannabe crap. If a black man stole my car, then a black man (not an african american or other such nonsense) stole my car. It's a physical description, nothing else.

The OP had visited 4 plexes, they where all farmed by, according to him chinese farmers (wether they sell their loot on ebay or use it to fun BoB's recent campaign vs ASCN is irrelewant, they're still farming).

I fail to see the OPs problem though, he wants to run a plex, he can't because he is outgunned and outmaneuvered.

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2006.12.11 08:16:00 - [74]
 

"
Originally by: Shimakaze
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
I particularly liked the guy who suggested most of the farmers on his wow server were romainian.... Like he knew all the farmers or something.... sure pal lol.


And you do?"


Gee I think my point was obvious but let's try again for your little hurt asain clam, you critisized him for making a generalization then went ahead and made your own, but yours was okay because it was a caucasion being generalized, sorry but you don;t get a free pass for racist statemtns against whites with me....



"
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
The fact is most of the MMO game farmers are chinese period.


Oh, I guess you do know all of them. Some friends you have."



Sigh leanr to read with your mind not your heart. Thinking is manditory if you wish to debate with me. I said most, you in turn claimed I said I know them all.... Anyrate before you open your yap I suggest doing a little research it doesn't take long to determine where the majority of the ISK sellers are from for these MMO's, do more research takes a bit more time and you can also determine where most of them live.



Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Anyway did he say something negative about asians or chinese?


Well, he didn't if you consider ISK farming a good thing.

sigh...



Since when is calling someone an isk farmer even if you don;t like that activity a negative sweeping claim about a race or culture. He didnt same god dam every dam chinese bastard must be a farmer! BAck to grammar school for you. Chinese was the adjective I beleive farmer was the noun. He said bad things about farmers, while pointing out he beleived these to be chinese. He never said bad things about asians as a race or china's as a whole.


In the end we are back to square 1 ... stuff your PC crap upinya.

J Frost
Gallente
Zan Industries
Posted - 2006.12.11 08:20:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Hori To
Edited by: Hori To on 11/12/2006 08:03:50
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Chinese isk farmers are ruining the game for me. ugh

I am currently trying to find a 5/10 drone complex; I want to collect the compounds for production. However, I am unable to find one that is not occupied by these Chinese isk farmers. They are always there; I left my character cloaked in a safespot for quite some time, and I checked back periodically. Each time I checked, I did a scan of the plex, and I found that those same farmers were there.

This is true for all of the 5/10 plexes I have visited.

Anyways, my question is.. What does CCP plan to do about these farmers, and what should I do so that I will be able to enjoy this game?
Thanks.


Where does it state that all ISK farmers are chinese?

And why does it even matter?

Quit the PC wannabe crap. If a black man stole my car, then a black man (not an african american or other such nonsense) stole my car. It's a physical description, nothing else.

The OP had visited 4 plexes, they where all farmed by, according to him chinese farmers (wether they sell their loot on ebay or use it to fun BoB's recent campaign vs ASCN is irrelewant, they're still farming).

I fail to see the OPs problem though, he wants to run a plex, he can't because he is outgunned and outmaneuvered.


I want money, so I rob it?

I want a sit in a bus, so I kick others out through windows?

I want my airplane ticket, so I insert into the head of the line and ignoring everyone who has waitted so long for theirs?

What's ur problem, man? You want it, you want it for a reason. I take it, I take it for another reason. Selling ISK in RL to earn money, that's what you say, with out evidence. How can you be so sure that the guy is farming in plex for money to sell?

Oh, yes, you've mentioned that the guy might be farming for a faction or aliance for whatever reason you don't care. Ok, then just 'get over it'! You can take it when ever you want, so can I?

I don't see the problem with the farmer. As long as FARMING pleases his demand in TQ, and as long as that's the way the guy like, he is allowed. You want it? You fight for it! That's pretty simple for those who are not able to communicate by their brain and whine all the time!

Yes, just blame me as you wish. I don't care. I'd like to ARGUE with ppl, but not to those who BARK.

J Frost
Gallente
Zan Industries
Posted - 2006.12.11 08:26:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Chinese was the adjective I beleive farmer was the noun.


Please, trust me, you r the one who needs to go back to grammar school. It's pointless when you try to tell the part of speech of a specific word.

Come back later when you can fully understand the difference between grammar and morphology.

The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.12.11 08:29:00 - [77]
 

Don't allow people in noob corps into 4/10 plex or higher, or put a 25% tax on noobcorps.

Simple solution, wardec, kill, camp gates in and out, don't give them rest. That they are in noob corps and have sentry friends is lame tbfh.

NERF NOOB CORPS.

Shimakaze
Arcturia Starfleet
Posted - 2006.12.11 08:38:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
"
Originally by: Shimakaze
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
I particularly liked the guy who suggested most of the farmers on his wow server were romainian.... Like he knew all the farmers or something.... sure pal lol.


And you do?"


Gee I think my point was obvious but let's try again for your little hurt asain clam, you critisized him for making a generalization then went ahead and made your own, but yours was okay because it was a caucasion being generalized, sorry but you don;t get a free pass for racist statemtns against whites with me....



"
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
The fact is most of the MMO game farmers are chinese period.


Oh, I guess you do know all of them. Some friends you have."



Sigh leanr to read with your mind not your heart. Thinking is manditory if you wish to debate with me. I said most, you in turn claimed I said I know them all.... Anyrate before you open your yap I suggest doing a little research it doesn't take long to determine where the majority of the ISK sellers are from for these MMO's, do more research takes a bit more time and you can also determine where most of them live.



Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Anyway did he say something negative about asians or chinese?


Well, he didn't if you consider ISK farming a good thing.

sigh...



Since when is calling someone an isk farmer even if you don;t like that activity a negative sweeping claim about a race or culture. He didnt same god dam every dam chinese bastard must be a farmer! BAck to grammar school for you. Chinese was the adjective I beleive farmer was the noun. He said bad things about farmers, while pointing out he beleived these to be chinese. He never said bad things about asians as a race or china's as a whole.


In the end we are back to square 1 ... stuff your PC crap upinya.


Okay, since you want to make this personal, I'll play with you.

My quoting you before was a show of your own hypocrisy. You disclaimed the guy who made the statement about Romanian farmers because he didn't personally know all of the said farmers. In the previous paragraph you blatantly stated that most farmers are Chinese, so I asked you, rhetorically, "And you do [know all of them]?"

I do read and think with my mind instead of my heart. That's what we're trained to do in university. Up to this point I've been responding using pure logic, but that doesn't seem to be acknowledged by people like you.

Alright, you suggested that I do more research. Fair enough. What kind of research were you talking about? Research done with statistically sound experiments that ensures minimal bias? Link me to an academic journal researching ethnic proportion of game farmers please.

Next point. Calling someone an ISK farmer does not extend the negative connotation to his/her race or country. On the other hand, suggesting something be done about CHINESE farmers in particular, rather than farmers as a whole is saying something about the Chinese not only the individuals.

Watch your mouth next time.

Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
Posted - 2006.12.11 09:07:00 - [79]
 

J Frost.

I think you misunderstood me. Point of the matter is, the guys are farming a complex, scaring OP away with scary CNRs, tough luck for him. What they do with their well deserved loot is no business of mine.

it's just the idiots that go spouting racist! and point fingers if you even dare say something negative about someone else then europe/us as someone said earlier in the thread.

Cadela Fria
Amarr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.12.11 09:15:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Cadela Fria on 11/12/2006 09:24:51
Originally by: Nerogen
so are you saying we chinese are all ISK farmers now?
that is just pure racist


No, I'm saying you're pure stupid for even saying that.
WTS: Clue.

Friggin dimwit.

"oh yack yack yackedee yack yack we're not all isk farmers" - NO ONE said that, but the MAJORITY of isk farmers are chinese...no numbnuts it DOES NOT!! say "the majority of chinese are isk farmers"..READ IT AGAIN!

Rest of you saying it's racist, please shoot yourself, now..no seriously please..grow a brain or shut up.
I'll be dead and buried before ANYTHING like that is even REMOTELY racist..
Friggin' arsewipes yelling "racist" at anything that involves the mention of a nationality and something bad they're doing down to nosepicking.

JUST DIE PLEASE!

Fact: the MAJORITY of isk farmers, are chinese/asian - not all of them though.

Fact: Isk farming is bad

Fact: Disliking isk farmers does NOT equate to hating a whole nationality/race of people

now SHUT UP, k? thx! BYE!

J Frost
Gallente
Zan Industries
Posted - 2006.12.11 09:51:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Hori To
J Frost.

I think you misunderstood me. Point of the matter is, the guys are farming a complex, scaring OP away with scary CNRs, tough luck for him. What they do with their well deserved loot is no business of mine.

it's just the idiots that go spouting racist! and point fingers if you even dare say something negative about someone else then europe/us as someone said earlier in the thread.


Ok, I know madness could drive ppl nuts sometimes, and that's what I encountered. I applogize for the unmannerly speech towards you, but hopefully you can understand my point.

In fact, I didn't really think this is anything related to racist. Not at all. However, I'm more clear than most others in this forum that the fact Chinese farmers are one of the biggest group (maybe the biggest) of farmers in any MMOs. Just like what I've said in an earlier post I've made, I am Chinese, and I hate farmers. That's why I came to TQ, and didn't play EVE while there is a server in China.

Nevertheless, the thing made me angry is, I've seen a lot of ppl treating others with their idea already formed by some kinda incorrect information. When ever ppl talk about farmers, they associate that with China. And then, it goes all farmers are Chinese, and then, farmers ruin games, and then Chinese ruin games, and then.... etc.

That's more and more became a conditioned reflex in ppl's mind, which could NOT be true after exaggeration.

You see, my point is pretty simple.

1.0) If farming is not allowed, CCP will deal with that.
1.1) If someone is guilty, police will deal with that.

2.0) If CCP did not define or mention that in the End-User license, that's allowed logically.
2.0) If action is not defined ILLEGAL in law, that's allowed logically.

3.0) If farming is not allowed, and CCP does not take care of it, ppl might give hard pressure to CCP.
3.1) If policemen don't do what they should, ppl might start to parade.

4.0) If nothing is done after pressure is given, ppl might be forced to deal with it by themselves.
4.1) If parade does not work, ppl might plan to start political revolutions.

You see what I mean? It's perfectly the same in game compare with RL. There are a lot of ways to solve a problem, either officially, or in-officially.

Why do ppl blame all the time without actually doing something? Is it most likely those guys would stop farming after you complain? Of course not!

The fact is, all farmers basically do the same thing, but only Chinese farmers are being remembered and hated. It's like when ever someone died in a RAID in WOW, priest will always be the one being blamed at, not mentioning that Shaman and Druids can heal too!

Tired of it...

J Frost
Gallente
Zan Industries
Posted - 2006.12.11 10:01:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Cadela Fria
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 11/12/2006 09:24:51
Originally by: Nerogen
so are you saying we chinese are all ISK farmers now?
that is just pure racist


No, I'm saying you're pure stupid for even saying that.
WTS: Clue.

Friggin dimwit.

"oh yack yack yackedee yack yack we're not all isk farmers" - NO ONE said that, but the MAJORITY of isk farmers are chinese...no numbnuts it DOES NOT!! say "the majority of chinese are isk farmers"..READ IT AGAIN!

Rest of you saying it's racist, please shoot yourself, now..no seriously please..grow a brain or shut up.
I'll be dead and buried before ANYTHING like that is even REMOTELY racist..
Friggin' arsewipes yelling "racist" at anything that involves the mention of a nationality and something bad they're doing down to nosepicking.

JUST DIE PLEASE!

Fact: the MAJORITY of isk farmers, are chinese/asian - not all of them though.

Fact: Isk farming is bad

Fact: Disliking isk farmers does NOT equate to hating a whole nationality/race of people

now SHUT UP, k? thx! BYE!


For you, the one who barks instead of talks, here is your answer:

Check your ability of logic connections in a hospital or hire a psychologist. You really have difficulty parsing a sentence in English logically.

The thread title and its content is something related with FARMING and PROBLEM, but the OP made it CHINESE and PROBLEM. No body said that does not mean that allusive speech can be skipped. Public orientation is one of the most important thing ppl would consider when speaking anything in public, and that made this thread offensive.

So, just shut up and get out of here. thx, BYE!

DarkFenix
Caldari
Lords 0f Ruin
Posted - 2006.12.11 10:26:00 - [83]
 

Well I'm sorry but it is indeed racist to generalise isk farmers as being Chinese, regardless of whether this stereotype is to an extent based on fact.

As to the OP, like others have said, just flag up the location for the locals to deal with. Sooner or later someone will catch up with them, particularly with the prospect of a couple of CNR kills.

Redback911
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.12.11 10:30:00 - [84]
 

First of all, it's wrong to make the assumption that they are Chinese. They may not even be ISK Farmers, but I digress...

The only fact here is that it is LOWSEC. The complexes are a resource, to be controlled. The tools exist within the game to deal with this problem, so hop to it and stop bringing your pathetic whine threads here.

Incidentally, I am also in competition with a complex farmer who has 3 BS accounts. I'm struggling to deal with it atm, but I am planning on how to deal with it, rather than coming here and whining.

Get some backbone, get some friends, and go kill em. Simple.

After all, you don't see 0.0 players whinging about losing access to a favorite Bistot Belt, it's THE GAME. Same thing applies here. No instances FTW.

Akiman
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.12.11 10:59:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Akiman on 11/12/2006 10:59:46
racist topic name. where is the moderators?...when we talk about ccp they ban the topic or lock it under a minute but this?...you got chinese customers here...what if i open a topic named american isk farmers? or english isk farmers?...sorry but its very rude.remove that word pls?...topic is bout macros not chinese macros.

p.s. : im not chinese Laughing

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2006.12.11 11:05:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 11/12/2006 11:05:57
Train up plasma physics lvl4 and skip all the gate to get to the second last one. The previous gates are not that good on a time/isk ratio so get some pilgrims and kill them Navy ravens

Anndy
Caldari
Segmentum Solar
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2006.12.11 11:31:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Anndy on 11/12/2006 11:33:16
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 11/12/2006 11:05:57
Train up plasma physics lvl4 and skip all the gate to get to the second last one. The previous gates are not that good on a time/isk ratio so get some pilgrims and kill them Navy ravens


taking that route may be faster but it really doesnt make as much isk, and if your mostly in it for the loot it doesnt give much at all, i can do the whole thing and collect every bit of loot in about 2-3 hours and it makes roughly 65 mill in tiers and 65 mill in minerals

my corp has been fighting isk farmers in our area for well over 6 months now and the 1s in my area do actually somewhat know how to fight

there is about 3 5/10 drone complexs within about 6 jumps and each 1 has isk farmers, the 1s my corp fights are older and know more about what they are doing

the usual ship setup i see in my area is 1 nos domi with all t2 drones, and a sheild transporter then usually 2 ravens and an apoc

its the same thing every day all day they login after downtime and the domi and 2 ravens take the apoc to the 5th lvl where he sits cloaked all day collecting 13th tiers

we kill them a lot and they get the odd kill on us but the fact is we just cant be online all day every day to kick them out so they just keep comming and keep making a profit

if my math is right they make roughly 300 million per day off just 1 complex, they run a total of 3 in my area that i know are the same people but diffrent accounts ofcourse, so thats 900 mill per day thats about 2.7 billion per week and thats only the 1s i know about

i've petitioned ccp so much and they do nothing ofcourse

come on ccp you have to fix this **** its not only 5/10 drone complexs either its EVERY complex that can make any decent ammount of isk

ccp you bring in these nice complexs then allow them to be taken over by isk farmers and yet you do nothing to stop them this has gone so far outta control and it ruins the game for so many people

heres how you fix it, remove cloaking within every complex, remove security hits and concord in EVERY complex high sec and low and then you'll see the farmers slaughtered


Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Timetravel Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2006.12.11 11:38:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 11/12/2006 11:05:57
Train up plasma physics lvl4 and skip all the gate to get to the second last one. The previous gates are not that good on a time/isk ratio so get some pilgrims and kill them Navy ravens


LAWL amen to that...

send in 2 azru's and a force recon caldari. they warp in cloaked, they sneak up on them... in warps 2 curses one at a time.

one sensor dampens the scorpion. the seconds arrives. dampens the two ravens.

the azaru's uncloak and scrambles and sensor dampens them even more. the rook or falcon what ever the force recon is. jams the two ravens.

in warps the heavy hitters... returns fire long range styles.

yeah sounds like hard work buts its what i would do...

would it work? have no clue. maybe they log and prey. if need be the force recons fire a SINGLE shot at each ship to make sure they dont disapear ina blink.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.12.11 11:51:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: 50freefly on 11/12/2006 11:57:38
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 11/12/2006 09:24:51
Originally by: Nerogen
so are you saying we chinese are all ISK farmers now?
that is just pure racist


No, I'm saying you're pure stupid for even saying that.
WTS: Clue.

Friggin dimwit.

"oh yack yack yackedee yack yack we're not all isk farmers" - NO ONE said that, but the MAJORITY of isk farmers are chinese...no numbnuts it DOES NOT!! say "the majority of chinese are isk farmers"..READ IT AGAIN!

Rest of you saying it's racist, please shoot yourself, now..no seriously please..grow a brain or shut up.
I'll be dead and buried before ANYTHING like that is even REMOTELY racist..
Friggin' arsewipes yelling "racist" at anything that involves the mention of a nationality and something bad they're doing down to nosepicking.

JUST DIE PLEASE!

Fact: the MAJORITY of isk farmers, are chinese/asian - not all of them though.

Fact: Isk farming is bad

Fact: Disliking isk farmers does NOT equate to hating a whole nationality/race of people

now SHUT UP, k? thx! BYE!


For you, the one who barks instead of talks, here is your answer:

Check your ability of logic connections in a hospital or hire a psychologist. You really have difficulty parsing a sentence in English logically.

The thread title and its content is something related with FARMING and PROBLEM, but the OP made it CHINESE and PROBLEM. No body said that does not mean that allusive speech can be skipped. Public orientation is one of the most important thing ppl would consider when speaking anything in public, and that made this thread offensive.

So, just shut up and get out of here. thx, BYE!


I do not understand Dogspeak, sorry.

<rant>

Anyways, relating CHINESE and ISK FARMER, like the OP is doing, is not being racist, but just stating the facts. Most Isk Farmers are Chinese, this is a FACT. When you talk to them, they speak in Chinese, this is a FACT. Tell me, do you or any other friends you know that aren't Asian speak Chinese? I didn't think so. I live in ASIA and I know only one or two people who speak Chinese. Honestly, it isn't that common outside of China.

So, moral of the story is: This guy says the farmers were Chinese, this is a fact, GET OVER IT, FACE THE FACTS, AND STOP BEING A DIMWIT OBSESSED WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!

Seriously, think on your own for once and put 2+2 together... The OP did not say ANYTHING about Chinese people, but Chinese ISK FARMERS!

</rant>

Edited for Grammar.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.12.11 11:56:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Akiman
Edited by: Akiman on 11/12/2006 10:59:46
racist topic name. where is the moderators?...when we talk about ccp they ban the topic or lock it under a minute but this?...you got chinese customers here...what if i open a topic named american isk farmers? or english isk farmers?...sorry but its very rude.remove that word pls?...topic is bout macros not chinese macros.

p.s. : im not chinese Laughing


I honestly would not care if you created a title like that. Heck, you can convo me and start calling me every racist name for white people you can think of, and I will just laugh at you. Anyways, you aren't being racist... I'm only American. After all, does it matter what strangers who have no effect on your life say if you have good friends that you know care about you? It isn't about the race, people, it's about the person.

Rolling Eyes


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