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Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:13:00 - [61]
 

The flattening (or lack thereof) is horrible but hopefully a bug that is fixed soon™. The instant transition option only promises but does not deliver, even with it on my transitions are far from instant, on both my slowish desktop and my fast laptop.

But there are good things about the new map too!

Like, I never knew the F11 stuff even existed until I was forced to use it with Revelations Embarassed

And finally it is an advantage to have my gear strewn about almost every system in the galaxy, I one-click navigate through my assets window now Wink

(Note: There is some sarcasm here, I would indeed rather have the old functional map back)

Akiman
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:30:00 - [62]
 

make it an option

Taaii
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:33:00 - [63]
 

Signed

Morden Nok
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:45:00 - [64]
 

There are many person complaining about that animation effect, but why you don't just turn it off? Go to map, Star Map -> Animation and change transition speed to instant. It works faster than the old map for me now. Though the flatten - unflatten bug is annoying.

I personally love the new contracts system. For casual browsing it is definetely worse as you see less selections on one screen, but if you know what module you want it beats the old escrow hands down. For example you can search by contract title or item type. The contract limits mean there are no more people spamming 500 scams on there every day.

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:46:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Smagd on 04/12/2006 12:46:09
Turning off the transitions worked for me. Just setting them to "fast" didn't do much, but "instant" gives acceptable performance.

Wrong orientation is an issue, but not a major one. I usually end up rotating a lot to get a better view anyway. I use Ombeys maps for a general idea on how a region is laid out, where I am and where I want to go.

The lines are a bit of a bother: Trying to find an autopilot route is a bit tricky when it uses red lines, but most of the other lines are red, too (line color set to jump type here).

What freaks me most is the solar system labels. That font is TINY. And then you have system names like N-DQ0D where the last 4 letters look almost the same even in the regular font.

Additionally, to tell if that's 1 ships killed in space in the last hour or 7 I swear I need glasses and there's no "show info" or magnification for that.

Ghitza
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:48:00 - [66]
 

I hate new map! AND BRING BACK OLD ESCROW!!!!!!!!

DarkFenix
Caldari
Lords 0f Ruin
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:52:00 - [67]
 

I have two new gripes with the new map. Firstly, it doesn't remember your POV, I flatten the map. I want it to stay flattened. Secondly, the lines etc are now much less prominent. I recognise places on my map by the lines (and in high sec by their sec status) while in a flattened view. The changes have really made it a pain in the ass for me. I would at least like the option to use the old map.

Roq Lobster
WITEH INC
Red Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:53:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Verus Potestas
Signed.

We had an excellent map system, and it's been replaced by a mediocre one.


I agree with that.
New map is nice but its only eye candy :/ It makes me feel angry many times :/

Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Posted - 2006.12.04 12:56:00 - [69]
 

Of all the junk in revelations, the map is the best. I acturally use the thing now just to see that smooth translation from ship in warp to system map to star map and back down to ship in warp.

Second thing I like is the Myridon...coolest looking ship in Eve..

BUT KEEP THE NICE MAP!!




Fren Mallow
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
Posted - 2006.12.04 13:16:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Fren Mallow on 04/12/2006 13:18:07
dumb forum sw

Fren Mallow
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
Posted - 2006.12.04 13:17:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Fren Mallow on 04/12/2006 13:20:15
Originally by: Morden Nok
There are many person complaining about that animation effect, but why you don't just turn it off? Go to map, Star Map -> Animation and change transition speed to instant. It works faster than the old map for me now.


INSTANT isn't instant..!

I have it on the "instant" setting since the first 10 minutes, when I played with the new map the first time on wednesday after patch!

I want to get rid of the whole zoom-zong thing, that happens all the time I close the map from flattened mode..
Map flattened -> Close it -> it unflattens -> it rotates 90° back -> it moves out of sight -> ship is there, puh
I don't want to know, what happens when it finally keeps flattened. Then It also does this stuff in reverse order, or what?! arrgs

Is that so hard to understand?

I had enough from the candy after 10mins playing with it in front of my homebase.

I want usability ABOVE eye-candy!


It's the same with the new Contracts overview..
If I fill out the Search-field with the search-phrase, I have to use the mouse, to start the search instead a dumb <ENTER>, where my hands are ALLREADY at the keyboard!!
Ridiculous.

And I demand a Quicksearch, with allready in place Search-phrases like in market.

Cheers

General Coochie
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2006.12.04 16:18:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Scott Price

I'm sorry but I profusely disagree. If you desire to remain a part of the MMO community, then you need to keep upgrading your computer to match the times.

Would you bring a Model-T racer to a modern auto racing event? No. Then why would you complain when your out of date computer cannot process a modern game?

My upgraded and modern computer opens the new map perfectly and while I see no practical purpose in having a map that zooms in on my ship, it DOES give me a feeling of how massive EVE is and I love it.

/not signed


I think it is stuipid that this map takes more power from the computer, or runs more unsmoothly then halflife 2 does. This is an entity with dots texts and lines. Halflife 2 is running a comples physics system and everything. Halflife 2 graphics is a good example on how to do, and so is EvE which have good grphics for its age. But the new map... it feels more unoptimized then a alfa version of some 3d fps shooting game.

Im talking about the universe map. I would like to have the old scanner map back in the window also though.

Sir Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2006.12.04 16:26:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: hydraSlav

New map does look sweet and cool. But i need fast functionality that the old map offered. Please bring back the old


exactly what i thought

Darkrogue
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2006.12.04 16:31:00 - [74]
 

/signed

I honestly think it just needs to the blue background back!

PixelMatter
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.12.04 16:34:00 - [75]
 

"What I would dearly love is for an option to disable the fancy stuff for when i am in space and need to access info quickly."

I agree.
Signed.

Dumus
Amarr
Vipera Centauri
Posted - 2006.12.04 16:34:00 - [76]
 

pretty but horrible to use.


Lady Loom
Ministry of War
Posted - 2006.12.04 22:38:00 - [77]
 

/signed

I used to open the map, browse it, check for various info - now I try to stay out of it as much as possible, all the unnecessary animation stuff and the lower performance greatly annoys me. Why couldn't they just make the new map optional? And a general question, why the heck are (graphical, UI, etc.) options so limited in EVE?

Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
Black Core Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.04 22:55:00 - [78]
 

Yes i can see where the designer was coming from with the seemless map feature but frankly it isn't very practicle. Currently i have all animations turned off for it and the 3 second off wait for the zoom to go back in when closing the map is a slight annoyance.
And yes i have to agree with that other man, forgot name,...bring back old escrow (brokers fee, i hate you).

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:01:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 04/12/2006 23:04:27
Edited by: Merchantigus on 04/12/2006 23:03:04
signed.
sometimes i just need to plot a damn corse.
i dont need annoying popups(that's what the internet is for).
i dont need it taking forever.
i dont need it ending up all over the place everytime i open it.
i dont need it zooming the **** off everytime i hit a system i dont care about while trying to set a destination.

the old map was perfect this new one is pretty but worthless. even without the "wonderfull zoom feature" if they took out or had options for everything that annoys me about it i'd have the old map...
stop trying to fix things that aren't broken and fix the things that are.

oh and while your at it how about some graphics options?

JFxSummoner
Caldari
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:15:00 - [80]
 

dispise new map

SasRipper
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:19:00 - [81]
 

/signed!

And bring back Radar!

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:44:00 - [82]
 

/signed

And also add the option to bid on items globally, not just view them.

Caedicus
Minmatar
Kellogg's Corporation
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:49:00 - [83]
 

I think there should be two ways to look at Eve Universe: space view and map view.

Space view is where a REAL "seamless" transition from ship view to viewing all the systems in Eve. There should be no limit on how you far you can zoom your camera out from your ship. The rate of zoom should exponential relative to distance. This can bring you to the system view, and if you zoom farther, a Starmap view. It will be all 3d and stuff.

Map View - Exactly how the old map was.

The current system is a messy blend of the two.

Mondo Banana
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:52:00 - [84]
 

The old map did what it did well, and simply. It made sense.

The new map is weird, buggy and for the most part, useless. Last night I just wanted to see my route, that's all. Lines were there, they were gone, zoomed in ooops! It's all black now. Zoom back out, check settings again. Map is doing it's hula girl dance.

It's an annoying piece of crap. CCP can have it back.

Nymos
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.12.04 23:56:00 - [85]
 

the new map is sucky for a lack of better words. zooming with the mouse wheel is inverted, i don't want to wait for the silly map animation turning the 3d map and stuff, i have no idea how to use the system map... i can't use it while scanning because i don't see whats going on around me and i don't see any use for the new map thing at all. for warping to stuff in a system i use the context menu only or i click on it in the hud, whatever is faster in a specific situation. all the extra info in the map is nice, but i really don't need it.

i used to use the map for just looking at blobs for destinations to hunt targets and to plot a course. now i have to endure silly zooming, rotating and whatnot. i just don't open that thing anymore. i used to use the p&p thing to set destinations already before kali because it loads much faster and that's the most important thing i need anyway.

i think ccp tried to reinvent the wheel with this map. instead of zooming around, how about making it possible that i click on a region and it shows ALL system names next to the system star? so i can zoom in a bit more, read this system names, look around, plot a course, gank some targets... why do i need that? simply to familiarize myself with the hunting grounds? how often do i hear someone say "let's go to <random system>" and i'm like "man, where's that". check and see it's like 3 jumps out and i've never seen it on the map. for an overview of an area i have to use the offline map as pdf file... currently it's impossible (or i just haven't found the magical option) to get an overview of systems. oh wait, isn't a map supposed to do exactly that? guess not. ugh

Morhon
Amarr
Aegis Starship Enterprises
Posted - 2006.12.05 00:16:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Morhon on 05/12/2006 00:19:30
Edited by: Morhon on 05/12/2006 00:18:41
Edited by: Morhon on 05/12/2006 00:17:54
The new map is growing on me, but I hated it at first. The unflatten thing still bugs the hell out of me though, as does the slow load times and the way altering zoom on the UI can result in you not even seeing a full star map when you open the map.

I now read you can switch this function off... I retract my complaints



Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
Posted - 2006.12.05 00:22:00 - [87]
 

<JANET AND JOHN>
I am a Trader. I have a lot of Assets.

The old map showed my Assets when I pressed the Assets button.

The new map does not show my Assets when I press the Assets button. It shows how many stacks of Assets I have at each station. It also shows Moons and Planets. I do not own any Moons or Planets.

When I click on the station assets arrow the Assets window comes up set to All. It takes a while to load because I have a lot of Assets. The station I have loaded is not visible in the window. I have to scroll down to see it.

Every time I select a different station the Assets window refreshes.

Can I have my old Assets map back please?

</JANET AND JOHN>



DeasGuCath
Black Screen of Death
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2006.12.05 01:03:00 - [88]
 

In space the map is alright, when docked it's complete garbage. It comes up unflattened, every single time, and if you aren't zoomed in very close to, it is really dark and you can't see anything. You have to zoom in so close for it to light up it is sometimes too close to see the surrounding systems that you would like to travel to.

Change it back, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the one you had in place already.

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.05 01:04:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Fren Mallow
Edited by: Fren Mallow on 04/12/2006 13:20:15
Originally by: Morden Nok
There are many person complaining about that animation effect, but why you don't just turn it off? Go to map, Star Map -> Animation and change transition speed to instant. It works faster than the old map for me now.


INSTANT isn't instant..!

I have it on the "instant" setting since the first 10 minutes, when I played with the new map the first time on wednesday after patch!

I want to get rid of the whole zoom-zong thing, that happens all the time I close the map from flattened mode..
Map flattened -> Close it -> it unflattens -> it rotates 90° back -> it moves out of sight -> ship is there, puh
I don't want to know, what happens when it finally keeps flattened. Then It also does this stuff in reverse order, or what?! arrgs

Is that so hard to understand?

I had enough from the candy after 10mins playing with it in front of my homebase.

I want usability ABOVE eye-candy!


It's the same with the new Contracts overview..
If I fill out the Search-field with the search-phrase, I have to use the mouse, to start the search instead a dumb <ENTER>, where my hands are ALLREADY at the keyboard!!
Ridiculous.

And I demand a Quicksearch, with allready in place Search-phrases like in market.

Cheers


lol i feel kind of dumb now XD i randomly turned stuff off and aside from the annoying popups i got it to behave :)

Hohenheim OfLight
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.05 01:11:00 - [90]
 

I have to say the new map was a nice idea, shame about the implmentation.

The whole flaten unfalten thing has been mentioned so i wont say an more, but why has the zoom been broken?

Get in to a big ship cap ship bs what ever, then look at a frig, you will see your zoom is still the same as if you where looking at your cap ship and you can not zoom in any more to look at the frig it jsut ends up beeing a dot miles away. :(

Even on instant trasfer it takes a few secs, also is ccp trying to give me rsi?

ever time i jump the zoom lvl resets not reall much of problem in the past you jsut clicked zoom out, not i have to scrole out ever time using the scrole wheel. It starting to do my head in.

PS I have now clicked post 42 times when can we get a forms that work?

I am sick of just beeing taken to an empty posting box or having to clikc login 5 or 6 times to log in, did ccp buy the crappys forum softweare in teh plaent?


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