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The Blackfish
Posted - 2006.12.03 06:14:00 - [1]
 

should i retrain to a diffrent races ships? i love my character, but i see all these pvp'ers in vexxors and the like.

as an ammar, id like to rat hunt/pvp in a mauler armor tank....but i dont see many around? should i retrain what races ships i fly? or is thier a viable tank version of the amaar ships?

Kaaln
Gallente
Soar Angelic
Posted - 2006.12.03 06:30:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kaaln on 03/12/2006 06:31:55
I take it Atreides is helping you out? He's a bit of a noob to be honest.

Anyway, you should train in the ships you like. There's a lot* of complaining about Amarr on these forums, so It's unlikely you'll get a clear answer.

* A hell of a lot

Amarrian Android
Mafia Redux
Posted - 2006.12.03 06:43:00 - [3]
 

I can appreciate your position, as it is identical to the one I found myself when I started my journey in Eve.

When I started with Amarr ships, I quickly came to love my Punisher.

As time went on, I longed for better damage and tank, and ultimately the sheer size of a cruiser (compaired to frigs was just sweet). I chose an Omen as my first cruiser. I quickly found out (as many new players do) that my skills were not even close to being able to properly fit and fly it.

Then drones caught my eye and became an obsession.

I bought an Arbitrator (one of the best looking ships in Eve, IMO). The Arbitrator revolutionized Eve for me, and I quickly trained up my Drone skills to be able to launch 6 heavy drones from it. (Remember that, pre-RMR patch?) While currently, the Arbitrator can hold 75m3 drone space, it is still a very cheap and capable cruiser. Since then I have become a 90% Gallente/10% Amarr pilot.

There are so many ships in the game that you can really experiment with countless ships and setups. If you want a cruiser, it is usually better to train the gun/armour/engineering skills up pretty good before you make the jump. If you come to start obsessing about drones like I do, just train up Gallente ships. You'll be glad you did.

Can't wait to get my hands on a Harbinger though :P

-AA

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2006.12.03 06:59:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: franny on 03/12/2006 06:59:56
if you already have amarr cruiser skill, try the Arbitrator(as mentioned) it's a nasty little cruiser and I like the slot layout better than the vexor(I want an extra mid Sad ), can be fit to tank well

Arbitrator v vexor
575pg v 675pg
300cpu v 270cpu
4lows v 4lows
4meds v 3meds
4highs v 5highs
2turret v 4turret
1launcher v 0launcher

gallente and amarr armor tank, so the skills transfer over well
minmatar you need to armor tank, shield tank, hull tank, duct tape tank, so it gets confusing
caldari are shield tanks(mostly), which is a much needed pvp slot ugh

edit, cause I can't spell

Qutsemnie
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.03 07:22:00 - [5]
 

If you dont absolutely love the idea of no ammo requirements for any range the amarr isnt your line. Its the one difference of substance. You have to gleefully smile "yeah but i dont need ammo" when ever any comparison comes up that your ship looses like it trumps everything and believe it.

Chen Lianshi
Princeps Corp
Posted - 2006.12.03 07:40:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Chen Lianshi on 03/12/2006 07:40:34
I'm having the same problem right now as I have finished my learning skills. There's a lot of whinning on the forums but when you ask to ppl that PVP/rat a lot in 0.0 they always say that we have some of the best ships out there. Have a look at the Curse/Pilgrim, Punisher, Arbitrator and Armageddon. In addition, in EVE PVP is 95% fleet PVP where Amarr shine. We may be unable to win all the 1vs1 but wth when was the last time that you had a 1vs1?

I think I'll stick with Amarr. I plan to stop at BS, when the time comes I'll see if I start training for Gallente cruisers/Bs as I'll be half trained (Drones 5 and all the armor tanking skills).

Godfear
Posted - 2006.12.03 07:50:00 - [7]
 

As Amarr, we have some good DPS ships, esp. the Armageddon, Haringer, and Zealot.

We have awesome tanks, such as the Abaddon, Maller, and Punisher.

For ECM and drones, we have the Curse and Arbitrator.

All in all, there are some good Amarr ships out there.

Amarria Lightwielder
Amarr
N.A.G.A Corporation
Posted - 2006.12.03 08:07:00 - [8]
 

even though people are complaining all over the forums I'm not gonna divorce my amarr ships anytime soon.
I've got 30m sp in only amarr ships and support skills so far, and I'm not satisfied yet.
Even though amarr are a bit monotone (we love gunboats!) they fill they're role pretty well.
My ships are almost always on top of killmails, even my retribution outdamages cruiser sized ships half of the time, so amarr are awesome dps ships imo, and 90% of my ships are fitted for pure gank damage :)
With rmr we got some nice alternatives with the curse and pilgrim, wich are two ships I've fallen in love with, even though ECM has nerfed the curse slightly. It's basicly one of the very few viable solo pvp ships that work well for amarr.

So what roles can you fill as amarr? Basicly you're gonna be a damage dealer or damage taker. If you want to roam around alone I would go for another race that have a bit more versatility. Even though you can kill enemies swiftly if they're stupid enough to enter your optimal conditions, any enemy with half a brain will recognize your ships for what they are and make us of their disadvantages.

Well before I have repeated myself 3 times over there goes my post :p

Mortuus
Minmatar
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.12.03 19:35:00 - [9]
 

Never underestimate a Maller or Harbinger =)

One of my buddies flies a Harb, Heavy Pulse, 9.x damage mod. Toasts just about anything. Then again, Amarr are best used in gangs.

SpaceDrake Taleweaver
Posted - 2006.12.03 20:18:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mortuus
Never underestimate a Maller or Harbinger =)

One of my buddies flies a Harb, Heavy Pulse, 9.x damage mod. Toasts just about anything. Then again, Amarr are best used in gangs.


HOW MUCH?... How on earth does he get it that high? Even with BC5 and 3 T2 Sinks, he shouldn't be able to get it much above maybe 6 or so...

Amarria Lightwielder
Amarr
N.A.G.A Corporation
Posted - 2006.12.03 20:46:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Amarria Lightwielder on 03/12/2006 20:46:53
it should be posible with max skills. medium pulse spec at lvl 5, surgical strike at lvl 5, 3-4 heatsinks, energy weapon damage rig(s).
With 1 energy weapon damage rig, spec at lvl 4, surgical strike at lvl 4 and 2 or 3 heatsinks I think it was I got it at 8.5
edit: and I only have bc at lvl 3

SunTzuRaven
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.12.03 20:47:00 - [12]
 

You really should claw your way up to a harbinger. This thing is a beast. It has ample cpu and grid compared to most ships, and can be a dps monster. It alone made me start training lasers again.

Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
Posted - 2006.12.03 20:53:00 - [13]
 

I'll chime in on the plus side for Amarr ships, too. I can fly all races t2 frigates and cruisers, so I've got plenty of choice. With that in mind, I own (and love) several Arbitrators, a Curse, Pilgrim, Malediction, Crusader, Retribution and Vengeance.

As a newer Amarr player, concentrate on training up your armor tanking skills. Mechanic, hull upgrades, repair, the armor compensation skills, etc. All Amarr ships armor tank very well, so you may as well maximize the benefit here - not to mention, rat hunting is more about tanking ability than damage output, so you'll see lots of gains here.

For rat hunting, Amarr are at a natural disadvantage against many kinds of rats. Since lasers only do EM and thermal damage, there are some rats that you'll just naturally do poorly against (Angels, for instance). You'll either have to pick your rats carefully (go for the ones that are vulnerable to EM, or thermal if you're short range), or concentrate on a drone/missile ship such as the Arbitrator or its big sister the Curse.

The Arbitrator, actually, makes a really stunning ratting ship. You can carry drones to match the vulnerability of the rats, plus a missile launcher firing the same kind of missiles. Carry a nosferatu or two to keep your cap up, fit an afterburner and some cap rechargers in the mids, and your armor tank in the lows. You should be able to handle cruiser spawns with no problems with a fairly low SP character.

When you decide on some pvp, too, you'll be able to take your ratting Arbitrator, swap out the cap rechargers for some tackling or EW gear, and take it into combat very effectively. I, personally, find the Arbitrator to be the most useful Amarr cruiser in pvp - not to mention, once you train up to use a Curse, you'll have access to one of the deadliest tech 2 cruisers in the game.

Good luck!

Heinricht
Posted - 2006.12.03 21:09:00 - [14]
 

I can't really compare the tank to anything else, but being able to tank a 2 bship spawn on a corp mining run for a few hours straight in my Apocalypse was fun. With under 10m skill points, I still got a chance to play some xbox as long as I was careful.

Zin Rathbone
Posted - 2006.12.03 21:29:00 - [15]
 

In terms of PvP, amarr are much better in gangs than solo. If you want to be a lone wolf then you probably want to look at Galentee or Minmatar. In their favor, however, the Amarr have the Punisher, the toughest t1 frig in the game, the Maller, the toughest t2 frig in the game. the Armageddon, a nice gank battleship, the new Harbinger, a killer Battlecruiser, and the Arbitrator, an excellent pvp drone crusier. On the Tech 2 level the Amarr recon cruises are often considered excellent ships. Understand your ship's role, and work in teams, and they have plenty to offer.

Artemis Ascarii
Amarr
Posted - 2006.12.03 21:45:00 - [16]
 

Amarr is the backbone in Eve PvP. We are not the gallente windowlickers who hides inside their stations nor Caldari cowards who hide behind their shields nor the low life Minmatar who only can do a good days job at the recieving end of a whip. We are the chosen race and should show it by high moral and diciplin. It takes skill and hard labour to fly the best ships so just hang in there and train hard an you will be rewarded.

Personally I prefer the Omen as a High damage cruiser, the arbitraitor when I fly alone, or our battlecruisers that will put the fear of god in the hearts of the lesser races. Something you might want to think about is to compliment you lasers with Minmatar or Caldari drones just to cover the spectrum of their tank.

Fight for the Empire.

Zin Rathbone
Posted - 2006.12.03 22:09:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Artemis Ascarii
Amarr is the backbone in Eve PvP. We are not the gallente windowlickers who hides inside their stations nor Caldari cowards who hide behind their shields nor the low life Minmatar who only can do a good days job at the recieving end of a whip. We are the chosen race and should show it by high moral and diciplin. It takes skill and hard labour to fly the best ships so just hang in there and train hard an you will be rewarded.

Personally I prefer the Omen as a High damage cruiser, the arbitraitor when I fly alone, or our battlecruisers that will put the fear of god in the hearts of the lesser races. Something you might want to think about is to compliment you lasers with Minmatar or Caldari drones just to cover the spectrum of their tank.

Fight for the Empire.


Role Players make me slightly nervous. ugh

Artemis Ascarii
Amarr
Posted - 2006.12.03 22:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Zin Rathbone
Role Players make me slightly nervous. ugh


Zin Rathbone make ME slightly Nervous. Smile

I'm no roleplayer. Only make the text less riggid and Amarr is the best race.Twisted Evil

Amarria Lightwielder
Amarr
N.A.G.A Corporation
Posted - 2006.12.03 22:20:00 - [19]
 

what can I say, Amarr victor! :D


 

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