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Cez
Posted - 2006.12.02 13:02:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Cez on 02/12/2006 13:03:19
I wouldnt call myself a carebear, cuz that term is so pathetic and quite frankly, more pirates can be more carebears than all mission goers. Its true, the only solo game play left is running a mission... thanks tho for CCP to take it away. A few scans and now you're forced to pvp. High sec is still safe... but I think you'll now have less going to low sec for missions, knowing a ganker is a probe scan away. Its one thing to try and beat gate camps... but being found in deadspace missions... thats wrong. I believe it totally neglects what deadspace is supposed to be.


Agrias Hellion
Pitbull Industries
Knights Of the Southerncross
Posted - 2006.12.02 13:52:00 - [32]
 

OP most already know this. If they don't they are new and will learn quickly if they don't well they deserve to be ganked.



Originally by: Miss Overlord
and ppl like me are scanning them in empire and dropping in for a visit to loot - kill their rats and generally harass em - this game is a pure PVP type game missions and mining etc are simply resource gathering - good to see CCP made it stronger on the PVP Focus less carebears back to wow


You seriously need to get over yourself. People should be allowed to play a game they pay for the way they want to too, without griefers such as yourself.

Mission content is there for solo players. The fact you band people into two groups really shows how ignorant you are.

Itono
Posted - 2006.12.02 17:27:00 - [33]
 

the moment this game becomes impossible to solo play is the moment i quit.

I believe quite strongly I'm not the only one.

I am quite concerned, because I like eve, and I hate bloody dwarfs and elves, but this expansion has done so many things wrong (contracts, scanning, wrecks) and so few right - at least from the solo player, carebear missionrunner pov - that I'm starting to wonder. There comes a moment when the creators of a game become too disconnected with the actual game population (forums being not necessarily representative) and they no longer have a clue what they're doing. I hope this is not the beginning of the end of eve.

And before you ask, no, you can't have my stuff.


000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2006.12.02 17:40:00 - [34]
 

i know it's not about missions, but there might be a relative easy solution for that, npc rats in missions are usually somewhat different from regular beltrats allready, why not make it so if someone else warps in to your mission and starts shooting at your rats they get flagged to the original missionholder (unless that person is in your corp/gang) like how it is with cans now, someone steals your cans and gets flagged, someone shoots at your npc's and gets flagged.

it will prolly mean more pvp even Rolling Eyes

Mary Wan
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:04:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Mary Wan on 02/12/2006 18:03:59
Solo mission runners add nothing to the game.

DefJam101
Gallente
Monolithic.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:06:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Originally by: Miss Overlord
and ppl like me are scanning them in empire and dropping in for a visit to loot - kill their rats and generally harass em - this game is a pure PVP type game missions and mining etc are simply resource gathering - good to see CCP made it stronger on the PVP Focus less carebears back to wow


I have to disagree.

Since the beginning Eve was advertised as a place where you could PVP but could also do a lot of other things. Just think about it, for a second and ask yourself, how many BPOs do you have? But you do like to PVP right? Who makes your ships? Your modules? Those skills not sold by NPCs, where do they come from? The minerals for all your ammo… where did it came from? Who hauled it?

EVE is not a “Pure PVP”. If all players were “Pure PVPiers” the game’s economy will halt. Miners are needed, Haulers are needed, Mission Runners are needed, Manufacturers are needed, Researchers are needed, Traders are needed.



EVE has more than enough miners and missionrunners and manufacturers, it's the PvPers that are outnumbered.

Don't believe me?

Look at your map.

Lord Frost
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:32:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: DefJam101

EVE has more than enough miners and missionrunners and manufacturers, it's the PvPers that are outnumbered.

Don't believe me?

Look at your map.

I believe you... then again, the map could be skewed from all the gank wars in Empire with everyone who wants to PvP forcing others to PvP for the fun of it. Heheh.. I made a funny.

Seine
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:47:00 - [38]
 

But I don't wnat to pvp. All the tips and advice in the world aren't going to make me WANT to pvp...
For my money missions and manufacturing are the best parts of this game.

Genericforumalt
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:56:00 - [39]
 

PO: mayb ppl would listn to you more if you wern't so condecending

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 18:59:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 19:05:41
"No offense merchantigus but you are one of the biggest carebears in eve. You lack the fortitude to engange in real pvp so you gank people in ships not able to pvp. When you are ready to stop being a carebear head out for some real pvp, then come back and talk crap on the boards k?"

hey Flame bait, go kill yourself your wasting my air


"Once scanners hit the place, have fun while you can."
shut the @#%# up about missions and probes

"The original post is worthless.

We all know that stuff."
Obviously not and shut the @#$@# up about missions and probes

"PO: mayb ppl would listn to you more if you wern't so condecending"

It's op and jesus hates you

Ghoest
Posted - 2006.12.02 20:04:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 19:05:41
"No offense merchantigus but you are one of the biggest carebears in eve. You lack the fortitude to engange in real pvp so you gank people in ships not able to pvp. When you are ready to stop being a carebear head out for some real pvp, then come back and talk crap on the boards k?"

hey Flame bait, go kill yourself your wasting my air


"Once scanners hit the place, have fun while you can."
shut the @#%# up about missions and probes

"The original post is worthless.

We all know that stuff."
Obviously not and shut the @#$@# up about missions and probes

"PO: mayb ppl would listn to you more if you wern't so condecending"

It's op and jesus hates you



That post doesnt even make coherent sense.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2006.12.02 20:44:00 - [42]
 

lol@op.
how would you like a carebear's post that would try to teach a pvpers and griefers to play at non-pvp wow server?
it'd be so much ridiculous and funny that you cant even imagine it right?
Well you post looks exactly the same to any true carebear you're trying to "upbring" to pvper level.
The true carebear is carebear for the following resons (maybe along with some others):
1. He does not want to get into a corp because he hates responsability (when he must ever do anything that he himself didn't feel like to do) which any community requires. So sorry, no ganging, no corping, never ever. Maybe spontanious, but such cases don't repeat frequently as pvpers, after such spontaneous gangin, form corps and somewhere else.
2. He does not draw ANY, ANY AT ALL pleasure from blowing up another player. NOT FCKING ANY PLEASURE!! if he killed innocent (to him) victim, he feels a sort of guilt, if he killed in defence, he feels regret for wasted ammo and time. NOTHING ELSE AT ALL. No desire of repeating this useless experience remains.

So you see all you're here promoting is against the spirit of true carebear, which would rather quit eve than adapt to those changes that would make his gaming experience more like unsatisfying job, NOT a game he plays for enjoyment. And why would anyone pay for a job he does?
So go bring your suggestions to those who are already pvpers, although I bet they don't need them. Nothing really brilliant or new you know.

You may or may not believe me, you may hope that carebears will change and adapt. But let the online statistics for coming months show us who was right.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2006.12.02 20:45:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Soporo on 02/12/2006 20:51:23
Quote:
Solo mission runners add nothing to the game.


This is so because you SAY so?
Feel free to try and rationalize that thought...

Anyway, I liked the Ops post and appreciate it.

Sounds like one of those guys who dislikes random n00b ganking and other cheesy easy ganking.

Dude wants people to get a grip, if nothing else it will make life more interesting for lazy/incompetent pie rats in low IF people take his advice.

The post above mine has a point though, a TRUE hardcore CB avoids pvp usually and just has no interest in it.
A lot of people however are industrialists and generalists and are willing to take up arms if they feel thay have a reasonable chance to win through.
This post is best aimed at them.
<--

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 21:40:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 21:46:19
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 21:44:09
"A lot of people however are industrialists and generalists and are willing to take up arms if they feel thay have a reasonable chance to win through.
This post is best aimed at them."

indeed :)

also to the other dude. a "true carebear" may not enjoy the combat but he sure as hell enjoys all the yummy isk to be made out there Twisted Evil I know this because many moons ago i was a miner in a small production corp. i hated pirates and so did all the others in my corp but we made some sexy money out there and that made it worth it.
If no one in your corp can fight worth a sod hire a few pilots that can. 1 battleship will keep away or kill most of the noobs out there and for that 1 extra body you can bring in some serious money.
You could buy minerals in high sec. you could pay someone to haul it for you or you could just go get them yourselves. Hard to beat the price of free.
to each his own though

Itono
Posted - 2006.12.02 23:16:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mary Wan
Edited by: Mary Wan on 02/12/2006 18:03:59
Solo mission runners add nothing to the game.



ok, so then ccp should just fire me right? Oh wait, it's _me_ paying them...

So I don't give crap whether I add something to the game _for you_ or not. I just stated the fact: if soloing the game becomes impossible, that's it for me and I believe for other people as well.

I have tried 0.0, I have tried pvp. I didn't like it for a number of reasons, found it extremely boring actually, and got back to empire space.

The whole mantra with "this is a pvp game and should be played like that" is crap as well. WTF is this, some self-righteous protestant sect that's only too happy to tell you how to live? I lead my life, both RL and in game, the way I like, and I tend to resent people who tell me that "you should do this and that". You are free to do whatever you like, pirating and such, whatever, but the moment it becomes impossible for me to do what I choose, is the moment I choose a friendlier place.

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 23:56:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:09:40
"So I don't give crap whether I add something to the game _for you_ or not. I just stated the fact: if soloing the game becomes impossible, that's it for me and I believe for other people as well."
Good go away.
it's not impossible to do alone but there is more risk and therefore more reward as you dont have to split anything.
if i go out mining alone and don't pay attention to local i would accept the gank that came a few mins later and be more carefull the next time. if you don't learn and refuse to adapt stop playing eve so we don't have to keep listening to you.

"I have tried 0.0, I have tried pvp. I didn't like it for a number of reasons, found it extremely boring actually, and got back to empire space."

"i went out to .0 and got podded over and over"

"The whole mantra with "this is a pvp game and should be played like that" is crap as well. WTF is this, some self-righteous protestant sect that's only too happy to tell you how to live? I lead my life, both RL and in game, the way I like, and I tend to resent people who tell me that "you should do this and that". You are free to do whatever you like, pirating and such, whatever, but the moment it becomes impossible for me to do what I choose, is the moment I choose a friendlier place."

It's not that we care what or how you do it. what people mean by this is a pvp game is exactly that. sure you can mine but you best not do it alone.
The whole thing with eve is this. if you go out into this world with no backup and a fitting that couldn't fight it's way out of a pvp sack you will get slaughterd and the rest of us will continue to take your stuff, laugh and then sell it back to you. simple as that.


"the moment it becomes impossible for me to do what I choose, (without any forethought or use of my noggin), is the moment I choose a friendlier place(aka whine on the forums)."

If you are looking for a friendly place you the picked the worst possible game.
whatever it is you chose will always be possible but you have to think and adapt(same as the pvpers).
1.stop trying to run missions only set up for that type of damage with guns and ammo that only work vs 1 type of damage alone in yarr land.
2.Stop trying to go out in a gunless miner alone.
3.Stop jumping through gates with 5 pod kills in the past hour.
4. stop whinning when you ignore common sense and get wtfpwnd.

Don't jump into a shark tank coverd in steaks dressed in nothing but your skinnies. and if you do it anyway shut the f up when you get bitten.

As i said up there in the op most pirates are clueless nubs that fitted a warp jammer. these are the people that are killing you over and over again because you keep walking into it everytime. stop being such a wussy and the number of pirates will drop through the floor.
they have to kill you to win all you have to do is scare them off and if you cant fend off a clueless nub you don't belong here.
If you set up for pve as normal but o say set up to take many damage types and bring guns that shot something besides peas you will wtfpwn most pirates. we have 3 of our mid slots full. for most cruisers that's all of them. you have more slots and craploads more isk. most pirates fly cheap ships because 1. we are broke and 2. @#$%# carebears keep comming out to play with worthless setups. the only reason piracy works as well as it does is because of people just like you. keep it up hoss

Romeda
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:12:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Romeda on 03/12/2006 00:12:50
Originally by: Miss Overlord
and ppl like me are scanning them in empire and dropping in for a visit to loot - kill their rats and generally harass em - this game is a pure PVP type game missions and mining etc are simply resource gathering - good to see CCP made it stronger on the PVP Focus less carebears back to wow


Wrong sir, wrong. If EVE was pure PvP it would be counter strike with a monthly payment, I like to think EVE is much more than shooting other people EVE is more dynamic than that.

Also please quit with all the "send them back to WoW" stuff that has been overused and you just look silly saying it, please don't do it again.

Seldon Corran
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:25:00 - [48]
 

I'd love for every 'carebear' and solo player in Eve to leave Eve, if only to show these 'Eve is PvP.. play it that way, MY way, or go away' idiots that the game would be very quiet. I, for one, have cancelled my two accounts. Not out of protest for any patch features or for anything other than I am bored with the PvE content. I'm sure that I will be back sometime, hopefully by then CCP can decide what type of game they are making.

The only PvP game that appeals to me is Chess. I don't dislike PvP, and I respect those that do it, but it's simply not something that appeals to me.

Levin Milraco
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:26:00 - [49]
 

The OP is kinda schizophrenic is he?

1st he tells the carebears to come do and will be safe if they do this and such,

then he tells them to dont come if you ___________

so... does he want missioner in low sec or not?


but yeah, dunno if the op tried, but has he done a lvl 4 mission in a pvp set up with friends in pvp set up?

the time vs reward is soooo low that is not worth doing.... hence the problem...

A) able to do lvl 4 (in normal, non-faction set up) in a reasonable amount of time
vs
B) trying to stay alive in lvl 4 but able to take on a group of pvpers...

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:26:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:37:03
]
Originally by: Seldon Corran
I'd love for every 'carebear' and solo player in Eve to leave Eve, if only to show these 'Eve is PvP.. play it that way, MY way, or go away' idiots that the game would be very quiet. I, for one, have cancelled my two accounts. Not out of protest for any patch features or for anything other than I am bored with the PvE content. I'm sure that I will be back sometime, hopefully by then CCP can decide what type of game they are making.

The only PvP game that appeals to me is Chess. I don't dislike PvP, and I respect those that do it, but it's simply not something that appeals to me.


They have it's a pvp game.
I did the exact same thing you did and got bored within a month. then i came back a second time and joined a .0 mining /ratting corp and i've been here ever since... if all you want to do is bap the same brain dead npcs over and over again good riddens. there are hundreds of games that offer this and only this. Eve isn't only about pvp. All these pvpers that "ruin your fun" need ships and the people that make those ships need minerals. and the people that mine those minerals need guards. you and many others just don't get it. please go play eq2 or something before ccp gives in to your crap and kills the game.
Everyone h8s the way eve is? then why has it doubled in size and continued to grow over the years? as long as they don't give you what you want and let the others keep what they play for it will continue to grow. Rolling Eyes

*edit*
and not everyone that pvps is a pirate out to gank miners. large ship production corps sell ships to other huge corps that then take these ships and try to claim the universe as their own only to run into the corp that sold them the ships and now have better ships+ all the money ;) There is an entire living breathing universe and you refuse to partake in it. instead you kill the same drab npcs over and over and whine about how there is nothing to do.

and i too would love to see every last carebear leave eve. it would leave only pvpers and "Angry Bears" left which would make the world a much better place.

Levin Milraco
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:32:00 - [51]
 

I say Eve is more of a world simulation than a pvp (in the defination of the CS kiddies) game...


yes, there is competition among everybody, (for god's sake, theres tons of stuff in eve that is not pvp with weapons.... )


but it is not the Shoot them up Counterstrike styled thing....

alot of people only thinks that though...

and thinks everything else eve has to offer is wrong...



but yeah, if its a REAL pvp (in above defination) game, we should be able to shoot each other everywhere, there would be no high sec, no boring mining, no building(everything will be npc seeded)


Eve IS a universe Simulation....

wow..I just thought of SWG just now.. SWG was a world simulation..but... the yeah...enough said...


stop making eve into counterstrike in space!!!

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:39:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:51:10
"wow..I just thought of SWG just now.. SWG was a world simulation..but... the yeah...enough said..."
Swg died because they gave in to attitudes like the above few posters. the reson i fight and hate with so much passion is because i'll be damned before i see that happen to my beloved eve.


"The OP is kinda schizophrenic is he?"
Yes i am. i'm also very angry and under your bed.
ps you missed the point of the post btw

*edit*
whine? WHine?! WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHHhhhHHHIiiiiINEeeE!!1111!!!
"FINE have it your way welcome to suck."Rolling Eyes

Romeda
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:47:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Romeda on 03/12/2006 00:50:48
Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:45:09
"wow..I just thought of SWG just now.. SWG was a world simulation..but... the yeah...enough said..."
Swg died because they gave in to people like the above few posters. the reson i fight and hate with so much passion is because i'll be damned before i see that happen to my beloved eve.


"The OP is kinda schizophrenic is he?"
Yes i am. i'm also very angry and under your bed.
ps you missed the point of the post btw

*edit*
whine? WHine?! WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHHhhhHHHIiiiiINEeeE!!1111!!!
"FINE have it your way welcome to suck."Rolling Eyes


/me shakes head, tut tut tut, I know many other hardcore PvPer's they don't talk like you. Please don't make yourself look so silly.

This has to be the billionth topic on "Carbear-you-must-wise-up-and-do-as-I-say-thread" one pops up every few days, nobody has the right to tell others how to play EVE.

Levin Milraco
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:49:00 - [54]
 

well, to be fair, SWG died cause people keep whining that it is too complex...
(I was a shipwright/Engineer and Creature handler/Bio-Engineer)


they never had a problem with pvpers not getting kills...


here alot of the times are: "Pirates" (real pirates dont have problems) have problems getting "Action"..(which involve fighting someone whos not prepared for them..I mean.. theres ALOT of alliances out there that will glady fight you in 0.0...)

you never see any carebear whine to nerf someone...is usually the pvpers complaining how safe some people are, how they arent getting their Epeen-handjob from blowing ppl......




but yeah, I knew I striked a nerve lol..



Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.03 00:58:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 01:11:10
"SWG died cause people keep whining"
exactly.
pvpers whine about this or that ship having a slight advantage or this or that mod is overpowerd this months and that low sec is empty.
Carebears whine about getting shot at and cosntantly want
things changed and added in hugalot land.
then there's a WTF IS GONG ONz!>!?! faction of whinners full of complete idiots that both sects hate with a passion. i think these were the ones that won out at swg screwing everyone over :/

Low sec wouldn't be empty if there was something worth ratting for(as this is what every carebear i've ever seen on the forum does all day long?) and if there were less noobs with guns and a jammer. there would be less noobs with guns if the morons that keep going out there with expensive stuff that's worthless in combat stuck a webber, multi types of resist and perhaps some light drones. If you stop being easy target noobs will stop trying to gank because it wont work.
If some 3 day old ****er pulled up in a frig and instead of going up in flames and giving him all your nice stuff you sent a few drones on him there would be no more problems...you know what? fine


In general
fit armor that's decent across the board and carry more than one type of ammo. when i rat out there i do it in my pvp setup and do just fine.
Noob in frig-webber/few drones/perhaps a single nos.

Noob in cruiser-doesn't know what he's doing is in a small ship and has 3 med slots full of junk. a very few of the real pirates can wtfpwn a suprising amount of things in a good cruiser but most of the time they will be warping out at hull.

Noob in bs{thanks kali grr} he wont have his weapon skills up high enough for this ship type for a long while. no matter what guns/fitting you have nail him and laugh.

Most new people in general race for the biggest ship they can find. the result? popped cruisers and battleships.
WTZ = no more noob gate camps. it can still be done but it takes some work and once again if you see pods killed in the next system and you go there anyway rats off to you.

I'm not telling anyone how to play. you can rat, you can mine, you can float indies around untill the end of time. but if you float out into low sec in a ******ed/expensive setup or fly through an obvious camp what did you think was going to happen? eve is not a pve game. eve is a universe. sure you can stay in high sec and rarely be botherd(and even run high lv missions there making ****eloads of money) but don't expect to have alot of fun doing this and don't expect the game to change for you. killing npcs is what all the mmos are for. eve is not

Ulfar
Posted - 2006.12.03 01:08:00 - [56]
 

Sorry beg to differ but SWG dies mainly because SOE changed the core game.

Asking for all level 4 agents in lowsec would have a similar effect, as there are a hell of a lot of people who play this game without wanting to participate in PvP.

Solo players do have a point, they are here to enjoy their play. If that doesn't entertain you then tough.

Without all the producers, miners and other non combat activities you would have a real fun time in your ibis.

Itono
Posted - 2006.12.03 01:44:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Itono on 03/12/2006 01:45:45
well it seems the op misunderstood what I was saying.

My gripes with eve don't come from "interaction" with pvp-ers and gate-campers. I can easily evade most of those, and when combat was needed (mostly in 0.0) it went quite ok for me. I don't care what you do, understand that.

The problem is that the kind of game I like - that is, solo-play - becomes more and more unfeasible, due to some mantra that says we should do everything together and be all so happy and shiny. And the game mechanics _change_ to support that. That's what I find irritating. Not being able to continue doing what I do. Adapting, fine, but there are limits to it. Now, if I run a mission and someone jumps in and kills the boss, running away with the loot needed to finish the mission - the only way to adapt to that is move to another game.

Originally by: Ulfar

Solo players do have a point, they are here to enjoy their play. If that doesn't entertain you then tough.



thank you Ulfar :)

Snarls McGee
Posted - 2006.12.03 02:55:00 - [58]
 

Tunnel vision is bad, mmkay?

I've seen this 'This game is PvP and PvP is the ONLY way to play it "correctly"' idiocy in every MMORPG I've ever played.

If Eve is PvP and PvP based ONLY then why do we have missions? Why is there Concord? The market? Mining? LPs?

For all the talk about how much of a 'sandbox' type MMORPG EVE all this talk of "PvP or leave" is even more ludicrous.

When asked why a 2 year old vet in a BS kills a noob in a Ibis the answer is "Because I can.." Yet when a mission runner is asked why they run missions the same answer is somehow "wrong"?

Make no mistake.. Carebear is a playstyle, not a profession. I have seen as many or more carebear pirates as carebear mission runners. I've never seen a mission runner use "logoffski" abuse to keep their ship. I've never seen a mission runner use a Raven for L1 missions.

Griefing != PvP. Mission ganking != PvP

What is even funnier is that if all these 'hardcore' griefers/gankers did succeed in driving off all their detested nemesis (the mission runners) they would be faced with fair fights or even *gasp* someone bigger or better than them. I don't think it would take much imagination to see who would be in the next mass migration from the game after the mission runners were ever driven out.

Maj Woodcock
Minmatar
United Space Aillance USA
Posted - 2006.12.03 03:37:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Synapse Archae
All of this is true but it misses the point.

1) Missions are one of the last bastions of solo content in the game. Lets face it, if anything eve needs MORE soloable content. People do not always want or have time to fly with friends.

2) If you bring 1 person, youre dividing mission rewards by 2. Bring 5, and you divide by 5. How long until its more profitable (even less boring, for those guarding you) to mine veldspar? Not long.

3) If you come setup for PVP, the mission may take twice as long, doubling the risk that a pirate will come engage you. They already know what ship youre in and what damage you have to tank before coming. It honestly doesnt matter what your fitting is if your enemy knows exactly what it is before arriving.


I agree totally. Make more content for solo players. Bet there are many, many of us that can only long on an hour or 2 at a time. No time for corp missions or mining ops. I slip my game play between mining, mission running and ratting. Right now I'm ratting checking out savlaging.
If team play is all you want to do then go play Halo.

Justen Kase
Posted - 2006.12.03 03:38:00 - [60]
 

Wow pretty sure Ulfar, Itono and Snarls McGee drove three nails home! Nice job guys. I am so tired of hearing:

"Eve is PvP"
"PvP is Eve"
"Pirates are Eve"
"You MUST PvP to play Eve"

Pirates are nothing more than ppl who get a rise out of blowing up stuff that can't fight back and making others unhappy or unable to play. Go fight other ppl that consent to PvP and are a challenge. CCP can make a special NPC type for them to "hunt" so they can leave ppl that are not interested in PvP alone.


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