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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:20:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:35:17
first THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT MISSIONS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. you want to bicker about stuff find another thread. surely i can't be the only one that want's to see a post that's something besides whinning and flaming? please for the love of god ignore flame bait and just enjoy the thread.
:we now return you to your regularlly scheduled post:

And you thought this was going to be a flameYARRRR!!
I'm going to post few tips on how not to get ganked. these are very simple and easily done. these are not made of stone but work in general vs most of the current pirate population.

1. Bring a wing man.
pirates like to fight when the odds are stacked in their favor. one cruiser/bc/*insert ship here* alone will eventually get attacked but even if you are both pve equiped the solo pirate will find someone else. Even if you do still get attacked the odds of one of you being able to hit the right range for your guns while he yarrs the other one are quite high.

2. Come setup for pvp
This is the best option and if coupled with #1 there are very few pirates that wont end up jumping out. Someone coined the phrase "CareBear with teeth". Most pirates have their mid slots jammed with crap and have much weaker setups/ships than the people they fight. shove it right back up their yarrhole and see how many pirates are around in a month.

3. Avoid obvious gate camps.
Since kali and wtz it takes a whole lot of effort and atleast a few wingmen to gatecamp. if you see an area on your path with podkills it's prolly more than just a single noob with a sniper setup. consider this a flagged mine field and simply go around.

4. DO NOT GO MINING WITHOUT AN ESCORT! people do this and then come whine about pirates on the forum and this boggles the mind...would you try to mine/drive a convoy full of gold in/through the middle of iraq alone?

:In general:
If you ignore these things expect to get ganked to high heavens. if you jump into a shark tank coverd with steaks in the buff you had it comming.

Why as a pirate would i post tips on how to avoid death?
To much wine not enough cheese to go around lets just say.
If people did the above 4 things it would prevent most of the pirate ganks some seem to hate so much.

:A note on pirates in general:
Many Many of the pirates out there only exist because people make it so easy. if a noob went out for some "wtfgankage" and instead of finding hoards of easy kills he ran into angry bears the pirate population would drop in size very quickly. This game has brought a new breed of carebear and it warms my heart to see some of the li'll fellas taking up arms and fighting back.
Most gate campers are spineless noobs that are to lazy/bad at fighting to belt hunt(there are exceptions of corse, snig gardly and such *waves*). with wtz in place there has already been a drop in gate camps and the numbers will just keep going down untill only the organized real pirates are left. the same thing would happen to belt hunting as well if the prey fought back more often.

All i'm going to say enjoy YARRRR!!

*edit*
also in many games the pvpers hate the carebears with a dark passion because they usually fight to destroy pvp. eve is not like this though. the smart pvpers/pirates have figured out that those spiffy ships and guns they so love to use come from the bears and the bears have figure out that without the pvpers they would have no market. sure if all the pvpers dropped off the face of the universe there would still be a sale here or there to people ratting but there is alot of blood spilt every hour and that blood directly translates to profit for the merchants and the likes. eve is a bloodthirsty game and the more that is shed the faster people get wealthy. it's a beautifull thing Smile

Synapse Archae
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:26:00 - [2]
 

All of this is true but it misses the point.

1) Missions are one of the last bastions of solo content in the game. Lets face it, if anything eve needs MORE soloable content. People do not always want or have time to fly with friends.

2) If you bring 1 person, youre dividing mission rewards by 2. Bring 5, and you divide by 5. How long until its more profitable (even less boring, for those guarding you) to mine veldspar? Not long.

3) If you come setup for PVP, the mission may take twice as long, doubling the risk that a pirate will come engage you. They already know what ship youre in and what damage you have to tank before coming. It honestly doesnt matter what your fitting is if your enemy knows exactly what it is before arriving.

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:31:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:36:31
"1) Missions are one of the last bastions of solo content in the game. Lets face it, if anything eve needs MORE soloable content. People do not always want or have time to fly with friends."
I wasn't speaking about the new missions and probes and such plenty of flame flying around already. dont need more here pls. "the point" is that this is about low sec in general not the new "issues" kali brought. want to fight about probes please find another thread

"2) If you bring 1 person, youre dividing mission rewards by 2. Bring 5, and you divide by 5. How long until its more profitable (even less boring, for those guarding you) to mine veldspar? Not long."
(missions/probes again not the topic)

"3) If you come setup for PVP, the mission may take twice as long, doubling the risk that a pirate will come engage you. They already know what ship youre in and what damage you have to tank before coming. It honestly doesnt matter what your fitting is if your enemy knows exactly what it is before arriving.
"
If you were setup for pvp you wouldn't be set up for a certian type of damage and would give him a nasty suprise when he found you. once again though this isn't about missions/probes but low/no sec in general.

*edit*
and to possibly head you off at the pass
"Missions are one of the last bastions of solo content in the game"
implying that "the last bastion" has changed/is in peril and thus probes again. i'm not sure what you would of said next but i'm getting really tired of friggen probe threads so i'ma try and steer this one clear preemptivly Smile

Caedicus
Minmatar
Kellogg's Corporation
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:34:00 - [4]
 

Good post, OP. These are some of the things people need to do in order to adapt, instead of whining about it on the forums.

The only things that need to be added is to prevent the looting of mission items, and missions that give rewards to a gang or corp.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:36:00 - [5]
 

Its good advice. I've never, ever, ever in my entire EVE life fitted a "PVE Setup"- that is, a setup that is totally gimped against anything but the one racial type of NPC I'll be facing. I've always ratted and mission ran in setup's I'd be happy to PvP in, from day one of noob-dom. Most pirates that attack me I've given a run for their money- one time I even managed to dend off an experienced Geddon pilot in my lil' old Brutix (albeit with several running attempts, and eventually helped by the gate sentries that I'd gotten to). Fighting in a setup with nothing but Kinetic resists because you're in Gurista space is suicide- you deserve to be killed if you do that.

Low sec is not solo territory, you're right in that. Unless you're dead confident (and prepared to risk a ship or two) always travel with friends. it's a no brainer. If you travel solo, do so on the complete understanding that you might die at any moment, and be happy about it- don't be surprised or angry when you get ambushed.

Utoxin
Matari Munitions
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:36:00 - [6]
 

I'm a carebear through and through. And I've decided that 0.0 is the safest place for me.

Low population, and with the new standings icons visible on chat, I can tell easily if someone jumping into system is an ally or not. I can rat and mine to my heart's content, and there's hardly anyone to bother me.

Heck, me and my corp mates have been hunting down hidden deadspaces and having fun with them.

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 00:38:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:55:32
thanks i love you guys pls make me more ships XD

*edit*
i've been reflecting for the past couple of mins. i still have a truckload of hatred for the "carebears" but as much as i've grown to hate them over the years i have an equal amount of love the the "anrgy bears". those that have begun to adapt i welcome as brothers and that's saying something comming from me Cool

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 06:17:00 - [8]
 

bump. sorry i want everyone to see this

Azerrad InExile
Posted - 2006.12.02 06:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Caedicus
Good post, OP. These are some of the things people need to do in order to adapt, instead of whining about it on the forums.


The majority of low sec mission runners are adapting.... they're moving to high sec.

Malena Panic
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.12.02 06:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Azerrad InExile
The majority of low sec mission runners are adapting.... they're moving to high sec.


You've talked to them all already? Say hi for me!

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:13:00 - [11]
 

and ppl like me are scanning them in empire and dropping in for a visit to loot - kill their rats and generally harass em - this game is a pure PVP type game missions and mining etc are simply resource gathering - good to see CCP made it stronger on the PVP Focus less carebears back to wow

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:27:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Miss Overlord
and ppl like me are scanning them in empire and dropping in for a visit to loot - kill their rats and generally harass em - this game is a pure PVP type game missions and mining etc are simply resource gathering - good to see CCP made it stronger on the PVP Focus less carebears back to wow


I have to disagree.

Since the beginning Eve was advertised as a place where you could PVP but could also do a lot of other things. Just think about it, for a second and ask yourself, how many BPOs do you have? But you do like to PVP right? Who makes your ships? Your modules? Those skills not sold by NPCs, where do they come from? The minerals for all your ammo… where did it came from? Who hauled it?

EVE is not a “Pure PVP”. If all players were “Pure PVPiers” the game’s economy will halt. Miners are needed, Haulers are needed, Mission Runners are needed, Manufacturers are needed, Researchers are needed, Traders are needed.

Kiyano
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:29:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:46:17
Someone coined the phrase "CareBear with teeth".


That wouldn't have been me would it?
I've never seen anyone else use it but used it here a few days ago >.>
Always wanted to coin me own phrase lol.

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:31:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Originally by: Miss Overlord
and ppl like me are scanning them in empire and dropping in for a visit to loot - kill their rats and generally harass em - this game is a pure PVP type game missions and mining etc are simply resource gathering - good to see CCP made it stronger on the PVP Focus less carebears back to wow


I have to disagree.

Since the beginning Eve was advertised as a place where you could PVP but could also do a lot of other things. Just think about it, for a second and ask yourself, how many BPOs do you have? But you do like to PVP right? Who makes your ships? Your modules? Those skills not sold by NPCs, where do they come from? The minerals for all your ammo… where did it came from? Who hauled it?

EVE is not a “Pure PVP”. If all players were “Pure PVPiers” the game’s economy will halt. Miners are needed, Haulers are needed, Mission Runners are needed, Manufacturers are needed, Researchers are needed, Traders are needed.



but we all need more kill points for the killboards YARRRR!! but yes no one should be sheltered from PVP after being in the game 6 months . Being able to probe drop in and basically loot or kill mission runners NPCs has always happened admitadly took longer before as probes are now more efficent. It happens in 0.0 and low sec its a part of the game and CCP endorse it within the rules 100% so im just providing a counter point to the whiny carebears

Of course we cant pod em in high sec so their implants are safe but this isnt an instanced game like wow were dungeons fo PVE are safe this is Eve where PVP happens all the time ( suicide ganks are legal) and if i loot some misison runners can they dont need to engage. They and any corp or gang buddies in system do get 15 minutes to kill me perhaps the OP should join a corp of mission runners who can help each other out and warp in on me or anyone else engaging in the Probe dorp in and PVP tactics its been happenng in belts etc and war decs for ages

Mallikanth
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:56:00 - [15]
 

Oh yesss.....I'm all for us carebears Rolling Eyes being up for some fun.
Although I often out run / out tank / out smart a pirate or gank and of course don't always get away with it it is still that part of eve that gives me a rush and my heart starts to pound. Long may eve have pirates and gankers (yep! I said it Shocked)

Now as for the OP advice, on the whole he's right. Common sense, good ship choice for the job, selective route planning and of course suitable ship fitting all makes you more survivable.

If you wanna carry 50+mils worth of cargo ina T1 Indy on autopilot then what do you expect? Get my drift? Rolling Eyes

Meanwhile back to my carebear (mostly solo) activities. ughLaughing


Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:07:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Miss Overlord
no one should be sheltered from PVP after being in the game 6 months .

Being able to probe drop in and basically loot or kill mission runners NPCs has always happened admitadly took longer before as probes are now more efficent.



By more efficient, you mean you can find people in crowded highsec systemsRolling Eyes

Since you admit in another thread you do this simpley harrass people by ruining there missions in high sec, i realy think ccp should take a look at this.

Game should indeed cater to pvp, but not griefers.

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:10:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Kiyano
Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:46:17
Someone coined the phrase "CareBear with teeth".


That wouldn't have been me would it?
I've never seen anyone else use it but used it here a few days ago >.>
Always wanted to coin me own phrase lol.


I think it was actually. and i now have one "angry bears" lets see if they catch on. our new brothers need a proper name.

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:10:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Miss Overlord
no one should be sheltered from PVP after being in the game 6 months .

Being able to probe drop in and basically loot or kill mission runners NPCs has always happened admitadly took longer before as probes are now more efficent.



By more efficient, you mean you can find people in crowded highsec systemsRolling Eyes

Since you admit in another thread you do this simpley harrass people by ruining there missions in high sec, i realy think ccp should take a look at this.

Game should indeed cater to pvp, but not griefers.


without going into detail ive checked this with the devs and with the looting can theif marking systems in place its perfectly legal - its really the same as stealing someones jetcan when they are mining they have the ability to fight back

Of course ill be shouted down by all the lazy players that dont like loosing stuff but if u stop this stle of play ie finding and playing PVP with mission runners in high sec u must also empire wars, can theif ore stealing, suicide ganking etc etc.

SO i ask u this should the 4 things i just mentioned that have been ingame for a while shoudl they all be banned as well as well as any PVP within empire - that would also rule out factional warfare and other CCP ideas - i suggest u wake up YARRRR!!

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:14:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:14:47
NO fighting over missions damnit XD no! bad peoples! there's like 30 post bickering about all that nooooes no more :)
constuctive whine free post ftw!

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:15:00 - [20]
 

alternative non carebear views are needed here to keep things balanced otherwise eve will cease to be a PVP game and be a PVE shoot em up like WOW

Common pirates get with me lets balance things out a bit

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:17:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:19:20
Originally by: Miss Overlord
alternative non carebear views are needed here to keep things balanced otherwise eve will cease to be a PVP game and be a PVE shoot em up like WOW

Common pirates get with me lets balance things out a bit


if people want to see both sides of that argument there are zillions of post elsewhere. the second that geddamn topic is mentiond the post instanly catches fire and burns to the ground. no not here no more fighting over freggen missions please. stay on topic nooooo moooooorrrreee fighting over missions. find another thread. that's not just at you. that's at everyone that view this. i will have a single positive thread to read from time to time so help me

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:18:00 - [22]
 

u could go run afk courier missions thro high sec with a level 4 agent thas about as risk free as u can get - abuot as boring as what the carebear dont touch me empire dwellers are whinig about ( oh hte faction gains are quicker to with warp to 0km)

Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:20:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:21:16
i have no idea what you just said but it best not be about missions or something >:(
*trots off to smoke*

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.12.02 08:22:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:21:16
i have no idea what you just said but it best not be about missions or something >:(
*trots off to smoke*


its about hauling missions the ultimate carebear experience

Tension
Posted - 2006.12.02 09:03:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Miss Overlord
<usual stream of absolute gibberish>

For god's sake, just stop posting.

darklegionca
Caldari
Dark Deliverance Holdings
Posted - 2006.12.02 09:12:00 - [26]
 

even with escorts in iraq they get ganked daily so it would be the same thing in eve so ya

Esaka
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.12.02 09:13:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Tension
Originally by: Miss Overlord
<usual stream of absolute gibberish>

For god's sake, just stop posting.

QFT

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2006.12.02 10:38:00 - [28]
 

No offense merchantigus but you are one of the biggest carebears in eve. You lack the fortitude to engange in real pvp so you gank people in ships not able to pvp. When you are ready to stop being a carebear head out for some real pvp, then come back and talk crap on the boards k?

Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
Posted - 2006.12.02 12:53:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Utoxin
I'm a carebear through and through. And I've decided that 0.0 is the safest place for me.

Low population, and with the new standings icons visible on chat, I can tell easily if someone jumping into system is an ally or not. I can rat and mine to my heart's content, and there's hardly anyone to bother me.

Heck, me and my corp mates have been hunting down hidden deadspaces and having fun with them.


Once scanners hit the place, have fun while you can.


Ghoest
Posted - 2006.12.02 12:59:00 - [30]
 

The original post is worthless.

We all know that stuff.

The problem we have is low sec missions are no longer profitable in terms of isk and faction. Its that simple. And given the ease of current ganking I dont think you could make low sec profitable barring that you make them worth while for large gangfs to run together(something like a 10x increase.)


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