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mochavay
Psykotic Meat
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2007.05.13 18:54:00 - [151]
 

Kudos on a great guide to help everyone out :)

I have checked around and have not seen anything about this tpic yet .. It has to do with the ice harvesting calculations .. Tha Hulk does give a 3% reduction in cycle time per level of exhumer skilled . Not complaining by any means , but i am getting ready to run the numbers and see what i come up with .

If this has already been discussed .. srry i must have missed it Embarassed

Archimedes Lao
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.05.14 03:59:00 - [152]
 

Great guide!

I am a newbie, but I think I have discovered something useful. The Cormorant is a considerably better mining platform than the Bantam and other than Destroyer I it has the same required skills as the Osprey. Because of this, I have been using it to mine while I get the last few skills I need to get into my Osprey.


Jonak
Gallente
Posted - 2007.05.22 00:56:00 - [153]
 

I just want to know if crystals wear out?

Jonak
Gallente
Posted - 2007.05.22 02:05:00 - [154]
 

I found it.

Graalum
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.25 22:02:00 - [155]
 

how does ice refining at the 40k refiner at pos work? I've been told it goes at 100% as base, but my results don't seem to confirm that.

Donald 01Miner
Minmatar
Raata Invicti
Posted - 2007.05.26 01:45:00 - [156]
 

Halada,

I would like to refute your argument about capital ship mining and correct you on a great many things in this respect.

I've been carrier mining in coin for a long long time (recently disbanded branch of DICE industrial)

Your initial comments on the matter:
1: easy target, tank not invincible, attract attention
Argument: This point seems to me completely frivilous. Any op will attract attention when they are flaunting multiple well outfited 'hulks' and ipmlants. To imply adding a 1 bil ship to the mix makes this relevant I don't see how. The 'tank' as you call it, whiel not invincible, is drastically better than any other ship you will use to fill the roles it can/does fill in any mining op, so again, another point seemingly made from a flawed viewpoint. "easy target"...I generally mine from a station in 0.0 when I'm 'solo' i have 4 accounts, when with corp, quite a lot more. The carrier is the only ship that can fit the gang/tank role both and live long enough for us to get out, get into OUR support ships come back and bbq the attackers.

2: The carrier is a 1 bil ship, and not intended for this use
Argument: Another frivilous comment on your part (sorry). The 'intended' use is simply your opinion, based upon a lack of experience using them. The fact the ship costs 1 bil only matters to people who can't afford it. A hulk esp pre-patch easily cost 1 bil when you consider all your implants and proper mods (if you set it up right) this price has gone down a bit since then, but again, doesnt' seem to be a relevant point. I take the best tools to do the job, money is not a factor for me because I'm good at what I do.

3: It's a capital ship for christ sake
Argument: Again, completely frivilous comment

4: No turret slots, so you can't fit any miners.
Argument: This tells me you don't understand how to use capital ships? Or you aren't putting any energy into your comments.
Fact: My completely completely maxed out carrier mines basically 1/2 of what the hulk pulsl in (yes I even have drone rigs, when I say max I mean max). Also consider, the hulk is getting the laser optimization so mining 1/2 of what the hulk is, imho, is a pretty nice hefty chunk when this isn't the carrier's primary job (I only do that when solo mining by mining from a 250 distance) You don't FIT lasers onto the carrier you fit drone control mids and a laser opt for your hulks. The carrier tanks AND commands.

5: (same comment bla bla)
*********
You go on to compare retrievers and such to carriers and make some (frankly) silly comments. First of all, Why the hell would you even compare the two? Show me a retriever that's tanking pirates and can assign 14 cruiser-size ships to people for defensive reasons AND at the same time fill the command ship role by boosting the entire gang's mining lasers etc etc etc?

I'm sure Halada, you have much better arguments (maybe?) to make here, but what you wrote in your guide is in so many ways silly and you are misleading a lot of people. Comparing a barge to a carrier for mining is like comparing a battlecruiser to a freighter (wtf completely dif roles) The whole point about the carrier's mining drones is that, when he/she WANTS to, he/she CAN mine a not insignificant amount of ore with 14 t2 drones in close range with rigs loaded onto the cap ship. In fact, this carrier that you 'scoff' so much in fact mines BETTEr than any command ship can, fulfilling the same role. This point clearly makes it the superior choice (dollars) not taken into account.

You go on to say people who use carriers shouldn't talk to you ever again(I'm sorry, I respect your guide but your'e being downright childish). Then you completely contradict yourself by pointing out the carirer makes a good gang assist as a tank.

Um hello...it's not as if you can't tank, have remote repairs if needed AND mine AND fill the laser optimization mining director role all in 1 ship. That's the POINT (continue

Yulada
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.06.01 16:30:00 - [157]
 

Feel free to write your own guide and then write what you think about the matter in it !

Adolin
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.06.04 23:46:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Adolin on 04/06/2007 23:44:53
Great guide Halada, enjoyed it immensely. Probably the best and easiest to understand thus far.

May i ask what corp your in and if there are any positions open? Smile

Thanks

MiningChick
Caldari
Posted - 2007.06.09 15:10:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: MiningChick on 09/06/2007 15:09:42
Hey Yulada/Halada, great guide, thanks a lot for it.

You say your Halada character is under new ownership, and you're posting on your other char (I'm assuming a more combat-oriented/pvp one).

If I'm prying too much, please just tell me to shutup; but if you'd be so kind to answer, were there any other factors into you transferring your mining char (and obviously a nice one) to someone else?

I myself am fairly a "newer player" as they would say, and after doing a lot of reading, I see a lot of people say mining in eve isn't worth it these days, that most people that become the best miners end up quitting it because mining isn't the ISK king it once was, and that other things are not only more fun, but potentially much more lucrative than mining these days, AND require a lot less skill points / investment.

Do you agree with any of that and/or any comments on how you feel about the current state of mining and it's position as being a worthwhile profession in eve?

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2007.06.12 03:39:00 - [160]
 

Well, read the guide and got something like a "Duh, now that changes my career path!" feeling. Great work, for sure! But then, I miss a whole section somehow (No offense!):

What's the word on Gas Cloud mining? Is it worth it and what you have to look for when considering it? Anyone got an idea or five?

Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.18 22:18:00 - [161]
 

This really is a great "guide". But is not complete in all cases.

One area being the Hulk is great for ice mining for one reason only: Cargo hold size.

If you put two cargo hold optimizers on a Hulk and two expander II's in it you end up with over 17,000m of space available. This translates into 17 units of ice without having to go back to drop it off or have an indy around. Simply put... you can tank in High Sec AFK with a Hulk and come back 45 min or so later and find you have 17 units of ice to drop at the station. Rinse and repeat.

True the Mac will out mine a Hulk per hour.... but some people have lives and are not going to babysit their mining operation every moment of the day.

Rubiks Cube
Posted - 2007.07.01 13:14:00 - [162]
 

I just started EVE, but alot of poeple talk about having 2 accounts for mining. They use 1 to haule/protect and the other to mine. But reading this guide I see no indication of using this stratagy.

Can someone please explain to me what would be the better way of mining? 2 accounts, or 1?

Would be cool with a "2 account mining guide"...

Sorry for the "nOObiness"...heh....

Etruscus
Posted - 2007.07.02 16:30:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Etruscus on 02/07/2007 16:37:15
I got in an argument with someone yesterday about ice-mining yields. They insisted that the Hulk, "mined four more units of ice" per hour than the next best miner. This after I recommended to someone the best miner for ice is the Mack. And much to my own chagrin, I was incorrect.

Unfortunately, the guide is now out of date in that regard, and so here is an addendum to the ice mining yield sections. Most people already know this, but for the sake of being accurate, here is the data:

Ship /// yield per hour /// cycles per hour

Hulk /// 50.05703112 /// 16.68567704
Covetor /// 37.54277334 /// 12.51425778
Mack /// 45.38504155 /// 11.34626039

The Hulk is 33 percent more productive than the Covetor and the Mack is 20.8% more productive than the Covetor.

The Hulk is 10% more productive than the Mack.


Edit: I forgot to mention, this assumes using tech II lasers all level 5 skills.

Tibrius Archer
Dragon Highlords
Dies Irae.
Posted - 2007.07.02 17:25:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Pilk


Originally by: Alaris Nightshadow
the T2 will haul in more per hour, even if the haul per cycle is better on a Harvester.

When the haul per cycle is 33% better than t2 drones (8 ore units instead of 6), unless those Harvesters are spending 20 EXTRA seconds per cycle coming back from and going to the rock as compared to their t2 brethren, Harvies still win the day.

Originally by: Alaris Nightshadow
Harvesters suck, period.

How kind of you to blindly follow the dictates of the semi-informed guide writer rather than look at the math and realize you're wrong. That's okay; I'm sure you'd also tell me that Neutron blasters rock, even when you're fitting 2 damage mods and a reactor control, and I'm using Ions with 3 damage mods. Or any number of similarly cockamamie stances based, again, not on a careful review of the evidence but instead on some half-baked "gut feeling" or on an overblown, self-righteous, "thread-pwning!!11!!1!" mining guide writer.

If you'd like to dispute my math, dispute my math. But don't make stupid assertions without the intestinal fortitude or the intellectual capability to back them up.

--P

P.S. Preemptively, to the mods--"****amamie", n. Something ridiculous, incredible, or implausible. From the French "décalcomanie". Not circumventing the profanity filter, just using a proper word in the proper context that happens to contain those letters in that order.


I personally prefere T2's due to cost.

But I want to give Pilk who wrote this a few months ago my friendship. I have had huge pointless arguement threads by people who throw gut feeling or 'because its seems so' evidence at me expecting them to knock over my emperical arguemts. I have even had the neutron/ion arguement you cited as an example and I got the usual "your a n00b Neutrons are what you need, ions/electrons are crap"

Oh I love you so. The best is when someone said I was an utter insane moron for saying a passive drake can out tank a Harbringer with 4 medium t2 armour reps. And I proved numerically even with 1billion in faction Energised Adaptive membranes that is not so.... Such a good feeling. The fool still denied it due to his stupid 'gut feeling, therefore its so' or 'Everybody else seems to strongly think so'therefore that view must be correct logic.

***Its this very logic of "because everybody says so it must be so" logic that kept slavery in place sexism and all the other things that look rediculous from out modern perspective going for 100's of years***

Damn I love mavericks like you who do not jump on figure bandwagons and work things out. Beautiful. A bit of topic but its the way he argued, Could apply to so many threads in eve.

TrunksZWAR
Posted - 2007.07.02 19:16:00 - [165]
 

Gotta say, this guide has been my mining BIBLE to eve. I've never used anything else and I don't plan on it unless you don't do anymore updates to it.

Don't worry about the little kiddies who think they know it all and want to refute opinions in the guide. Carriers are carriers. It's not cost effective to use a ship like that for mining. Now I wouldn't mind having one around when i'm doing a mining operation, but not as a miner. I'd rather the thing be outfitted to kick some butt in case someone comes in to break the operation up instead of wasting that money on mining equipment. Carriers might make a good ninja mining ship if you're a loner tho. Obviously some folks are! Laughing

Keep up the good work!

MotoTsume
Gallente
sniper unlimited
United Abominations
Posted - 2007.07.03 01:06:00 - [166]
 

link to guide dont work no more

MotoTsume
Gallente
sniper unlimited
United Abominations
Posted - 2007.07.03 02:48:00 - [167]
 

nwm - got it workingVery Happy

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.07.03 16:18:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Halada on 03/07/2007 16:23:41
I'm back in EVE - it'll be a casual entertainment, not like before, but I'm back, at least partially !

The guide will receive a substantial update in the upcoming weeks with gas mining, new mining upgrade, corrections to Hulk, updated mining figures, etc...

@ Those calling me semi-informed writer,**** off. I knew when writing the guide some half losers probably still living in your mom's basement would be to come in MY thread to practically insult me. Unless English is difficult to understand for you the maths for Harvesters show they are WORSE than T2 and not better. Prove me wrong and I'll call you my master (I'm assuming no changes were made since I left the game though as I have catch-up to do).

Alatari
Gallente
Winterdawn
Posted - 2007.07.03 20:52:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Halada
I'm assuming no changes were made since I left the game though as I have catch-up to do.

There's a set of named Mining Laser Upgrades now:

* Mining Laser Upgrade - 5% bonus, 10% cpu penalty
* Erin Mining Upgrade - 10% bonnus, 9% cpu penalty
* Elara Mining Upgrade - 15% bonus, 8% cpu penalty
* Carpo Mining Upgrade - 20% bonus, 7% cpu penalty
* Aoede Mining Upgrade - 25% bonus, 6% cpu penalty

Very Happy

Pilk
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.03 22:03:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Halada
Edited by: Halada on 03/07/2007 16:23:41
I'm back in EVE - it'll be a casual entertainment, not like before, but I'm back, at least partially !

The guide will receive a substantial update in the upcoming weeks with gas mining, new mining upgrade, corrections to Hulk, updated mining figures, etc...

@ Those calling me semi-informed writer,**** off. I knew when writing the guide some half losers probably still living in your mom's basement would be to come in MY thread to practically insult me. Unless English is difficult to understand for you the maths for Harvesters show they are WORSE than T2 and not better. Prove me wrong and I'll call you my master (I'm assuming no changes were made since I left the game though as I have catch-up to do).

As I said up above, Harvies pull in 33% more than T2 in some situations. Thus, unless it takes them an EXTRA 20 seconds to make the round-trip, Harvesters are better. I'm not sitting in a mining ship at the moment, so I don't know if mining drones now MWD back and forth; I'll assume they don't. With Drone Navigation V (it's only Rank 1), a Mining Drone II travels at 750 m/s, and a Harvester at 375 m/s. So long as you're within 3,750m (or about 5 times that if mining drones MWD to/from the rock these days), Harvesters will pull down more ore. Now, let's be realistic for a moment--you're humping the 'roid you're mining with the drones while setting your strips on ones that are further away.

Hell, if you really want to get crazy, grab some Mining Drone - Elites. They're the speed of t2, with the mining amount of Harvesters.

So, unless you're going to maintain that you're more than 3,750m from a 'roid that you have drones on (in which case you're sacrificing plenty of mining yield to begin with, so this conversation is moot), I believe you owe me a new appellation.

--P

Etruscus
Posted - 2007.07.03 22:45:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Halada
Edited by: Halada on 03/07/2007 16:23:41The guide will receive a substantial update in the upcoming weeks with gas mining, new mining upgrade, corrections to Hulk, updated mining figures, etc...


See my ice mining figures. I can email you the spreadsheet as well (evemail in game).

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.07.03 23:26:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Pilk
As I said up above, Harvies pull in 33% more than T2 in some situations. Thus, unless it takes them an EXTRA 20 seconds to make the round-trip, Harvesters are better. I'm not sitting in a mining ship at the moment, so I don't know if mining drones now MWD back and forth; I'll assume they don't. With Drone Navigation V (it's only Rank 1), a Mining Drone II travels at 750 m/s, and a Harvester at 375 m/s. So long as you're within 3,750m (or about 5 times that if mining drones MWD to/from the rock these days), Harvesters will pull down more ore. Now, let's be realistic for a moment--you're humping the 'roid you're mining with the drones while setting your strips on ones that are further away.

Hell, if you really want to get crazy, grab some Mining Drone - Elites. They're the speed of t2, with the mining amount of Harvesters.

So, unless you're going to maintain that you're more than 3,750m from a 'roid that you have drones on (in which case you're sacrificing plenty of mining yield to begin with, so this conversation is moot), I believe you owe me a new appellation.

--P


First, there was no need to call me semi-informed. It really shows respect when you take a jab at someone who took considerable time to compile and write 50 pages of information, then you come in trying to look like Mr. Bigshot ... as far as I know I don't owe you anything either.

Second, Harvies pull 33% more than T2, yes, but T2 mining drones are 100% faster. Theorically, if a T2 mining drone brings 10units in 20 seconds, the Harvies will bring 13 in 40 seconds. That's a theorical 1170 units for harvies versus 1800 for T2 mining drones per hour. Now, I don't know how much mining you have done in your life but I'd like to think I pulled my fair share. I can tell you a maxed Hulk pilot (even an advanced Covetor pilot) will run out of roids in its 15km very quickly and will have to move eventually. Belts in 0.0 especially...

So you can say you will have roids in range (less than 3,5km) all the time as much as you want it, it's not true and it does not reflect reality AT ALL. FINALLY, harvesters cost 20mil per drone versus for T2, and you are bound to lose drones. It happens. Lose 5 drones it's 100mil out the door, so bye bye profit and the time it will take to pay itself back will take long a long time.

Seriously I don't know why people try to refute the arguments, it's clearly and well explained in the guide. You just look at numbers and put them in an ideal position, which is rarely the case, without looking at all the factors, either due to inexperience or lack of knowledge on the matter. It's usually ok, but calling me semi-informed when you are the one not seeing all the angles really ****es me off.

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.07.03 23:27:00 - [173]
 

@Etruscus - fire away mate, I'll have a look at them !

MellaRinn
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.07.04 01:32:00 - [174]
 

Halada, I've been wanting to post this for a while now - Gret Guide. I'll watch this space for the rev 2.1 updated version of it! Keep up the good work!!

Pilk
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.04 02:51:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Halada
First, there was no need to call me semi-informed.

You're seriously comparing me saying that you aren't as well-informed as you claim to you saying that I live in my mother's basement? How can you say that with a straight face?

You're putting out information, I'm disputing it's accuracy, so you say I live in my mom's basement. Your logic is infallible! Your indignation is completely-justified! Sarcasm and hyperbole are the source of all evil!

Originally by: Halada
Second, Harvies pull 33% more than T2, yes, but T2 mining drones are 100% faster. Theorically, if a T2 mining drone brings 10units in 20 seconds, the Harvies will bring 13 in 40 seconds.

I'm uncertain what mining drones you typically use, but mine have a mining duration of 60 seconds. And since the longer they mine, the less time they spend moving, that's an important difference.
Originally by: Halada
FINALLY, harvesters cost 20mil per drone versus for T2, and you are bound to lose drones. It happens.

If you're losing mining drones, then, clearly, this applies. Are you mining without a scout, that you can't spend time to grab your drones? What in the world are you doing that leaves you so prone to drone loss?

Originally by: Halada
Seriously I don't know why people try to refute the arguments, it's clearly and well explained in the guide. You just look at numbers and put them in an ideal position, which is rarely the case, without looking at all the factors, either due to inexperience or lack of knowledge on the matter. It's usually ok, but calling me semi-informed when you are the one not seeing all the angles really ****es me off.

Calling me close-minded, given your stance on mining in carriers, is somewhat... surprising, shall we say?

At any rate, an apology for the "mom's basement" comment seems a bit a propos, no?

--P

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.07.04 11:36:00 - [176]
 

You bit, and I bit back.

Losing drones is inevitable, and I am more than qualified to know. I have organized, managed full long mining sessions, personal, small, average sized. In 0.0 if you get a hit group of ceptors (say 5x crows) by the time you get the alert they might already be in the system, and you'll have the choice of either saving your Hulk and expansive gear or the drones...

The traveling factor is important and I cannot understand why you fail to see it. Maybe you are too young and can grasp the situation, but it will never happen that the traveling factor will be neglected.

Finally, even if harvesters would be as fast as T2 and bring in 10% more, you still have to be an idiot to pay 100mil for 5 mining drones.

Now I ask you stay out of this thread or I will report you and your posts will be removed nonetheless. This thread is for answering questions related to the guide, or enhance it when clear mistakes were made. The harvester drones section is well explained with mathematical facts, and you just came here wanting to look like Mr Big Guy.

If you want to look like Mr Big Guy, write your own guide, or start a new thread in which you can share your opinion and bashing me all you want, I'll gladly ignore it. But this is my thread, I've tried to explain to you and you will not understand.

And I owe you absolutely no apology, you were offensive on the first place and it could have been avoided had you shut the hell up or showed respect.

Aleise Miradi
Posted - 2007.07.04 12:33:00 - [177]
 

Tell if I m wrong, but with the new mining upgrades (x 1,25), a god mode Hulk could go up to 9 980 m3 per 3 min?... That s great.... yeah... but a god mode Apoc could in theory pull out some 16 377 m3 per 3 min!!! Shocked (with 8 MDCMII and 6 mining upgrades)

I didn t make the maths to see if the cpu will still be ok, and you have a very nasty problem with your cargobay in the BS, but it would be a hard hit for every exhumer pilot ... ergo .. exhumers need more low slots Twisted Evil

Etruscus
Posted - 2007.07.04 13:30:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Aleise Miradi
Tell if I m wrong, but with the new mining upgrades (x 1,25), a god mode Hulk could go up to 9 980 m3 per 3 min?... That s great.... yeah... but a god mode Apoc could in theory pull out some 16 377 m3 per 3 min!!! Shocked (with 8 MDCMII and 6 mining upgrades)

I didn t make the maths to see if the cpu will still be ok, and you have a very nasty problem with your cargobay in the BS, but it would be a hard hit for every exhumer pilot ... ergo .. exhumers need more low slots Twisted Evil


I guess I don't understand what it is your getting at. MLU gives a 5% bonus, not 25%. Secondly, MDCMII's are used for deep core mining merx (hence why they are called modulated deep core miners). The MDCMII's cycle every three minutes, while miner two's cycle every minute. Hence, miner II's mine 150% more efficiently than MDCMIIs and they don't require expensive crystals.

But, if your post is snark then have fun with it =)

Pilk
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.04 14:57:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Halada
You bit, and I bit back.

Forget the rest for a moment.

You write a guide, claiming to be the quote-complete-unquote authority on mining. I disagree with your guide. Since your guide relies on the information you possess, I call you ill-informed.

Makes sense, right?

You write a guide. I claim that guide may be mistaken in two areas you touch on only momentarily--drones and capital ships. You say I live in my mother's basement.

Wait, what?

Okay, so let's try this again, assuming, in both cases, that the antagonist is incorrect:

Person A writes guide->person A is wrong->person A is ill-informed
versus
Person B disagrees with person A->person B is wrong->person B lives in mother's basement

You can't seriously be equating the two progressions, can you?

As soon as we figure this out, it'd be my pleasure to finish discussing the relative merits of drones.

--P

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.07.04 15:37:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Halada
You bit, and I bit back.

Forget the rest for a moment.

You write a guide, claiming to be the quote-complete-unquote authority on mining. I disagree with your guide. Since your guide relies on the information you possess, I call you ill-informed.

Makes sense, right?

You write a guide. I claim that guide may be mistaken in two areas you touch on only momentarily--drones and capital ships. You say I live in my mother's basement.

Wait, what?

Okay, so let's try this again, assuming, in both cases, that the antagonist is incorrect:

Person A writes guide->person A is wrong->person A is ill-informed
versus
Person B disagrees with person A->person B is wrong->person B lives in mother's basement

You can't seriously be equating the two progressions, can you?

As soon as we figure this out, it'd be my pleasure to finish discussing the relative merits of drones.

--P


I think you need to get out more and have a social life. You are fixating way too much on a very irrelevant thing. Saying you still live in your mother's basement is my way of calling people like that losers who should move their asses and get a life. By the way you over dramatize things, you sound like someone who takes this game too seriously, and who might fit in my above description. If you took so much offense, either it's true, or you are so offended that a normal human could make the mistake of generalize that you cannot sleep without waiting for a response hoping you can shut me up with an dramatic analysis of every word I wrote.

Which is it?

I stand behind my guide and I'm proud of it, but it's not perfect as it is mentioned in the guide itself. The point on harvesters and capital ships falls a lot in a matter of opinion, although my opinion is backed by some good mathematical facts. Therefore it's not a matter of misinformation but rather what you make of it. It's my guide, so I wrote what I think backed by GOOD SENSE and maths.

You practically insulted me because 1 page out of the 50 you disagree with. You COULD have said ''I think the writer is mistaking about ...''. Calling me mis-informed is insulting and uncalled for. You were an obnoxious ass and I am being the same to you. Now it's your last warning, if you don't drop the matter in this thread, there will be consequences. I ask one last time politely and respectfully.

Thank you.


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