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Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2008.06.23 01:54:00 - [421]
 

That was written two years ago and has changed since then.

However Omber isn't faction specific hence why I chose Omber.

Pernick
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.06.24 20:13:00 - [422]
 

Originally by: Halada
I'm now in vacation and would like, soon, to update the guide significantly.



Halada, you're still my hero. Your guide especially has made YarringYARRRR!! Rocks fun.

Originally by: Daniel Jackson
what about Implant bonuses, and gang mod bonuses to ICE Mining? I haven't seen them in the guide


I too am curious about this information. I've been doodeling around on my own and found out a few things - Perhaps I can send you my notes about ice.

AgMiner
Posted - 2008.07.01 02:40:00 - [423]
 

Absolutly magic guide, been my Bible through 2? iterations.

For those asking about character making, try out "EveHQ" it hasa good character generator that allows you to specify what skills you want and generates a character that will train those skills in the shortest time.

I also have a problem, using the yeild formula as per the guide

[Station Equipment] + 0.375x(1+[Refining Skill]x0.02)x(1+[Refinery Efficiency Skill]x0.04)x(1+[Ore Processing Skill]x0.05)

I get 94.4% efficiency at a 30% refinery, the same formula gives me 89.4% at a 30% refinery, But if I use the refinery, the yield shown by the refinery is 91.88% before ore processing skills are factored in. (we won't go into why I would use a 30% refinery hereSmile )

Refining 5
Refining Efficiency 5
Ore processing 4 (all)

Is the stated refinery efficiency wrong?
Is the formula wrong ?
Am I making a silly mistake ? Probably
Am I confused ? YES

Oh, and the guide (at least the 2.2 version I am using) doesn't include a table for the 30% refinery

Regards etc

(any spelling mistakes are wholly the responsibility of my keyboard, not me Razz)


Belgarath Drakara
Posted - 2008.07.03 05:34:00 - [424]
 

Hey, I just got the link to your guide with the payback calculation for the hulk, because I said at the current market prices 20m/h is the max from roid mining. Well your calculation is wrong, because you calculated with 60 cycle/h instead of only 20. One cycle with stip miners takes 180s. But it took me a while to convince the person who linked your great guide, that you made a misstake :p But if noone noticed it within 2 years, who cares. I just wanted to let you know...

Leana Darkrider
Minmatar
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2008.07.03 06:38:00 - [425]
 

Thank you Halada,

I've read the guide twice, and recommending it to other players who want to go mining.
You did a great job with writing this one.

I say it should be made a sticky :)


/me taps his hat

Firvain
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.07.03 08:57:00 - [426]
 

Originally by: Belgarath Drakara
Hey, I just got the link to your guide with the payback calculation for the hulk, because I said at the current market prices 20m/h is the max from roid mining. Well your calculation is wrong, because you calculated with 60 cycle/h instead of only 20. One cycle with stip miners takes 180s. But it took me a while to convince the person who linked your great guide, that you made a misstake :p But if noone noticed it within 2 years, who cares. I just wanted to let you know...


well em you have 3 strip miners, so that means you multiply 20 by 3 i think...

SugahMule
Posted - 2008.07.04 11:48:00 - [427]
 

Just wanna ask few questions about mining strategy:

Followed most things from ur guide and they were very helpful, and as complete noob i learned to menage in harsh enviroments of eve :)

I have 2 alts, both almost done with Hulk training, one is finished itV training(alt). and other got some combat skills.

now questions:

Is carrier good choise(with links/drones etc) to support 2 hulks in mission/safe space mining ops... Will i be selfsufficient that way. And will that combo mine alot more than 3 hulks.

I was planing of getting freighter to transport ore from station to station(i have perfect refine in 2 corps), to refine or sell.

other than that... what is next logical step(next to drone skills) to improve my mining(if carrier is viable choice for support)

Cash is not a problem cos i can pull alot of isk already with 2 hulks, as u are well aware :)

Tnx in advance for quick responses.

-Acre

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2008.07.04 17:30:00 - [428]
 

Edited by: Halada on 04/07/2008 17:30:43
Originally by: Belgarath Drakara
Hey, I just got the link to your guide with the payback calculation for the hulk, because I said at the current market prices 20m/h is the max from roid mining. Well your calculation is wrong, because you calculated with 60 cycle/h instead of only 20. One cycle with stip miners takes 180s. But it took me a while to convince the person who linked your great guide, that you made a misstake :p But if noone noticed it within 2 years, who cares. I just wanted to let you know...


Yes and the Hulk also has three strips, not one, so you do get 60 cycles... so you lost a lot of time trying to convince you friend, hopefully it won't take as long to say: NEVERMIND Laughing

Gurphor
Posted - 2008.07.04 20:38:00 - [429]
 

lol i myself like to mine for cash but i will dwnload ur guide for tips as am in only a iteron 3 and am getting 200 thousand isk and hour or so which tbh i think is bad,
as i dont go low sec ever yet i make a living off plagiocase which is BAD!!!Twisted Evil

Orion LeNoir
Caldari
Arc Lemanique
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
Posted - 2008.07.15 23:45:00 - [430]
 

Thank you Halada for your guide. It is always with me when I am miningCool. You did a great work !Razz

I am just wondering what kind of rigs everybody is using in the Hulk ? I was thinking about drone or cargo boosting for most people, is that right ?

Another thing, perhaps you should have more details about how to use a Hulk or other barges. Few examples I have in mind :
- base cycle is 180 secs, that means most of the time, you have to stop your strip before the end. The hint would be to have each strip on a different roid and stop it every 60 secs for exemple.
- implants slots for classical mining and Ice mining is the same. Hint would be to you use clones for each kind of mining

I think all this informations is always included somwhere, but perhaps a chapter containing tips could help.

Anyway, thank you for your work, I am just looking for another guide for research & manufacturing with same level of quality !

Tomcat
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.07.18 06:53:00 - [431]
 

A free bump for an awesome guy and a great guide!

Adre Guls
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.07.21 07:45:00 - [432]
 

about rigs:

that really depends on what you want. you can't say "use this rigs"

there are several options i have in mind right now, for example (all are recommendations)

solo mining in 0.0 - use resistance rigs (or resistance and CCC)
mining in empire - drone rigs
mining with 'cargo hulk' - use cargo opt. rigs

and so on ... you should fit rigs for situation you likely going to be or want to be :)

Quote:

- base cycle is 180 secs, that means most of the time, you have to stop your strip before the end. The hint would be to have each strip on a different roid and stop it every 60 secs for exemple.


i dont get it :) .. why stop the strips ? just run them and let them running

Teal'c Reborn
Posted - 2008.07.22 02:39:00 - [433]
 

Edited by: Teal''c Reborn on 22/07/2008 02:40:59
would love to read the guide, but the link says 'site unavailable, contact administrator'...does anyone have a working link for this...seems like a good guide from all reports!

Cheers in advance

edit: just saw a few pages back that others have had this problem...

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2008.07.22 03:22:00 - [434]
 

fixed

Orion L'Oursien
Posted - 2008.07.27 18:24:00 - [435]
 

Originally by: Adre Guls

i dont get it :) .. why stop the strips ? just run them and let them running


For exemple, you are mining with 3 strip miners (yield 1500 m3). That is 4500 m3 per 180 sec. If the roid you are mining got only 1500 m3 minerals, you will lost 120 secondes. If you stop your strips each 60 secs, the roid will disappear the first time, saving you 120 secs.

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2008.07.27 20:52:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: Orion L'Oursien
Originally by: Adre Guls

i dont get it :) .. why stop the strips ? just run them and let them running


For exemple, you are mining with 3 strip miners (yield 1500 m3). That is 4500 m3 per 180 sec. If the roid you are mining got only 1500 m3 minerals, you will lost 120 secondes. If you stop your strips each 60 secs, the roid will disappear the first time, saving you 120 secs.


So? Assign one different roid for each strip and mine the big roids only.

You shouldn't have to stop them yourself, if they do stop then just switch to another roid and life goes on.

Hilda VanDenDungen
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.29 06:51:00 - [437]
 

In the section describing the Retriever setup, it suggests adding a mining laser upgrade ("MLU").

It seems I cannot fit this because I don't have enough CPU. I see that the mining upgrades skill gives 5% reduction per skill level in CPU penalty of mining upgrade module. What level should mining upgrades be trained to in order to fit the MLU? Is there also an underlying assumption about what level the Electronics skill has been trained to?

Dictum Factum
Skill Training
Posted - 2008.07.29 16:00:00 - [438]
 

Regardless of assumed level, you should train Electronics (and Engineering) to level 5. The benefit to having those skills, and your other support skills, trained up is immeasurable. That said, Mining Upgrades at level 1 should be more than enough to fit a MLU on a barge. If, however, it is not, just look at the training times in question and decide which skill you wish to train up to make it fit.

Tanis Khan
Minmatar
14th Legion
Equilibrium.
Posted - 2008.07.31 18:54:00 - [439]
 

Just want to say if you are remotly interested in mining you ahve to read this.

Or if you are remotly interested in developing the miners in your corp, know this, and understand them

Sudiin S
Gallente
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
Posted - 2008.08.01 11:17:00 - [440]
 

Many many heartfelt thanks for your guide Halada Smile. For a starting out dedicated miner like me, it's essential in every respect.

thebelgian
Posted - 2008.08.04 09:35:00 - [441]
 

thx for the guide, it's really helpfull
thx

Rellana
DAB
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2008.08.09 11:18:00 - [442]
 

Many thanks for the guide Halada.Just one question,do you actually need a full faction tank in 0.o as I was pricing the modules you mentioned and it came to about 620 mill or so...

Jarlath Zaid
RainyDay INC
Posted - 2008.08.11 05:34:00 - [443]
 

Thanks for making an excellent guide. While I consider myself a veteran of eve now, I still find myself referring to your guide for help! While working on my toons mining gang bonus related skills, I took a look at your guide for the information related to it. I may have found a discrepancy (I hope not), perhaps you can clue me in? It's minor really, but it might help others.

On page 44 in your awesome guide it states:

As I mentioned at the beginning of the section, the laser optimization link will reduce your cycle time (it doesn’t affect ice harvesters by the way) instead of giving a direcot bonus to your yield.

In game the link module item description states:

Decreases mining lasers/ gas harvester and ice harvester duration.

To try and keep the post short, I edited the remainder of the description.

Based on my personal experience, I can vouch that the mining link does indeed affect ice mining duration. Please help! Thanks!!

Mr. Zaid

Passin Through
Posted - 2008.08.13 00:49:00 - [444]
 

Unless I missed it there doesn't appear to be any info on POS refining arrays and their efficiencies. And how skills effect them.

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.08.13 07:20:00 - [445]
 

Originally by: Jarlath Zaid

Based on my personal experience, I can vouch that the mining link does indeed affect ice mining duration. Please help! Thanks!!


Link was changed. Guide wasn't.

Originally by: Passin Through
Unless I missed it there doesn't appear to be any info on POS refining arrays and their efficiencies. And how skills effect them.


Reffinng arrays have 35% and 75% efficiency. Skill affects them in the same way as station 50% rafineries.

Jarlath Zaid
RainyDay INC
Posted - 2008.08.13 20:29:00 - [446]
 

Thanks Mona!

Passin Through
Posted - 2008.08.14 00:52:00 - [447]
 

Originally by: Mona X
Refining arrays have 35% and 75% efficiency. Skill affects them in the same way as station 50% refineries.
It would be also interesting to have a comparison of efficiencies between using a Rorqual to compress and take back to station to refine as to just using the refiners at a POS. The comparison would be the isk it would take to run each operation (fuel) vs. the yield in minerals per hour.

Freakje
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.15 17:01:00 - [448]
 

Thanks, has learened me the first steps into mining.

PampalinyCZ
Amarr
Falling Stars Squadron
Posted - 2008.08.22 14:09:00 - [449]
 

hi, thnx for great guide. Smile But can you correct this on page 40:
Blue Ice gives you 300 Oxygen Isotopes not Oxygen. Same is with Thick Blue Ice with 350..

maeby
Posted - 2008.08.22 19:07:00 - [450]
 

very helpful guide tyvm


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