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Babe Toy
Posted - 2007.10.08 23:32:00 - [301]
 

Edited by: Babe Toy on 08/10/2007 23:32:34
the maxed numbers including Rorqual bonuses with all skills at max, mining best ISK profit ore, with all bonuses active and all maxed out best mods or t2 mining bonuses, are quiet a bit off the correct total maxed number and gives, what I believe is a wrong viewpoint to the maxed out idea of good mode. If I am not mistaken, I think you missed it by some 19% in total. Plz correct me if I am wrong.

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.10.09 01:55:00 - [302]
 

The 63mil /hour is without rorqual and new upgrades

Babe Toy
Posted - 2007.10.09 10:33:00 - [303]
 

Can we have an update then if possible with everything on V as in a full possible current, God+ mode, drones and all?

One thought that came to mind to simplify calculations and understanding of them, was to put a text description for calculation numbers, this to not have to read the whole guide from top down, to make sure “what numbers you are taking from where” to calculate out all and every bonuses that affect a certain scenario.


Yuki Amaterasu
Posted - 2007.10.09 17:01:00 - [304]
 

Very Happy
\o/
YAY

Thanks for the update Halada. It will be put to good use.

My alliance looks down upon mining. Sad Hence the alt response.

Mattif2k3
Gallente
Pretty Good Piracy
Posted - 2007.10.10 09:42:00 - [305]
 

i'm at page 22.
until now a masterpiece of work, halada. as usual Very Happy

but meantime i got no time for mining/reading since i am youwhat and we got some "insect problems" in our area Evil or Very Mad
i hope tri let me some time to read further Razz

Locin WeEda
Gallente
Red Frog Investments
Posted - 2007.10.13 14:04:00 - [306]
 

Nice update. One important omission: the changed gang modules, especially the increased range is very welcome in mining ops.


Old name: Mining Foreman Link Laser Optimization
Old function: Decreases mining laser duration

New name: Mining Foreman Link Laser Optimization
New function: Decreases mining lasers/ gas harvester and ice harvester duration.

Old name: Mining Foreman Link - Ice Harvesting
Old function: Decreases ice harvester duration

New name: Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency
New function: Decreases the capacitor need of mining lasers, gas harvesters and ice harvesters.

Old name: The Mining Foreman - Drone Coordination
Old function: Did it have a function?

New name: Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enchancement
New function: Increases the range of the gang's mining lasers, gas harvesters and ice harvesters.

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.13 15:28:00 - [307]
 

This is wonderful news! I read the first guide and knew mining was for me, can't wait to delve into the new guide. Thanks for the guide. Wink

Taluno
Ta Luna Laboratories
Posted - 2007.10.14 15:51:00 - [308]
 

Awesome.

Halada, I am planning to translate that guide into german. May I publish a german version of your great guide? Of course all credits will be yours (would just adding translation credits).

Awaiting your answer.

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.10.14 16:23:00 - [309]
 

Wow thanks for the gangmods, hadn't even noticed !

And no problem for the translation:)

Taluno
Ta Luna Laboratories
Posted - 2007.10.14 16:43:00 - [310]
 

Great. Expect it until end of the week. Very Happy

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2007.10.14 23:34:00 - [311]
 

I'm currently mining with a Rokh and I noticed you didn't include the Modulated Deep Core Miner II's (not the strip miner variant).

Given they mine a base of 120m3 per 180sec cycle, this becomes 210m3 per 180sec cycle with a Tech 2 crystal, which is 70m3 per 60sec cycle compared to 60m3 for a normal miner II.

The best they could thus mine with 4 MLU II's would be...

8x210m3 (1680m3 180sec)
*1.25 (Mining V)
*1.25 (Astrogeology V)
*1.36 (4xMLU II's)
----------

3570m3 per 180sec cycle (1190m3 per 60sec cycle).

Just FYI :)

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.10.15 15:30:00 - [312]
 

If you read the guide carefully, I purposefully did not include the the MDCM2 since usually, those who are casual miners won't specialize into crystals and will do the smart thing and move to a covetor as soon as possible.

The guide didn't say it was the best you can do in a Rokh, it said it was better than the Apoc for the same variants.

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2007.10.15 20:48:00 - [313]
 

BTW I just did some math.

A Rokh's CPU with Engineering V and a single CPU Enhancer II will give you...

780 * 1.25 * 1.10 = 1072.5 CPU

However, even with Mining Upgrades at V, 4 MLU II's will make your Miner II's 80 CPU look like this.

80 * 8 = 640 CPU
640 * 1.09375^4 = 915 CPU
The MLU II's themselves are 40 CPU so thats 4 * 40 = 160 CPU

So that would make a total of 915 + 160 CPU = 1075 CPU

Thats a wee bit more then the Rokh can support, and I can't live without an Ore Scanner (usually 4 or 5 CPU)

So would I have to fit the 4th one with an MLU 1 or are there other CPU improvements that could help me so I can fit four MLU II's?

Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.17 19:53:00 - [314]
 

Noticed on page 8, it says ice is only available in low sec and 0.0, which is not true.

Darrell Trump
Posted - 2007.10.18 07:01:00 - [315]
 

Say, i didnt notice this mentioned, but, when you have a character with mining foreman skill, does he have to be the gang boss for the group to get the bonus?

Pimpja
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.19 09:27:00 - [316]
 

Edited by: Pimpja on 19/10/2007 09:38:02
Nice guide :o

Deuce Airflow
Posted - 2007.10.20 05:32:00 - [317]
 

Err, link is broken. Save as doesn't work either :(

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2007.10.20 19:36:00 - [318]
 

works for me!

Maraq
Caldari
Radikus Industries
Posted - 2007.10.20 20:36:00 - [319]
 

Great guide!

One thing I'd like to note that there are some NPC stations in .5 and lower (I've only gone down to .3 systems) that have a 35% base refine.

Might be good to put it in your guide to make sure to check refine yeild if you are looking for a station to ferry ore to when mining in .5 systems and lower.

Darrell Trump
Posted - 2007.10.21 07:07:00 - [320]
 

Originally by: Maraq
Great guide!

One thing I'd like to note that there are some NPC stations in .5 and lower (I've only gone down to .3 systems) that have a 35% base refine.

Might be good to put it in your guide to make sure to check refine yeild if you are looking for a station to ferry ore to when mining in .5 systems and lower.



not just in .5 and below, they have some crappy refineries in higher sec space too. you'll see it alot in places with labs and lotsa stations.


also, i believe you only get the group bonus from mining foreman if you are in a wing command fleet as the squadron boss, not 'just in a group' as i asked in a post higher up.

Taluno
Ta Luna Laboratories
Posted - 2007.10.21 18:27:00 - [321]
 

As announced a few days ago, here is now a german version of this great mining Guide

Klick to download (3.3 MB)
Eine umfassende Bergbau Anleitung (Haladas Mining Guide German v2.2)


A few notes to this german version
- I (Taluno) will not discuss anything about the guide itself. This is Halada's work, I am only a translator.
- Feedback about translation or spelling mistakes are - of course - welcome. Contact me ingame -> Taluno
- Halada, if you read this... a link to that german version within the top entry of this thread would be great (but's your decision Smile )

SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.22 01:18:00 - [322]
 

Wow! Great guide - I'm not even a miner! lol!

Wish there was one of those for market trading.

Ulstan
Posted - 2007.10.24 02:27:00 - [323]
 

Edited by: Ulstan on 24/10/2007 02:28:16
Excellent guide!

Is there ever a situation in which having >100% yield is helpful?

Jay Bee
Minmatar
Star Miser Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.25 18:57:00 - [324]
 

Edited by: Jay Bee on 25/10/2007 18:57:52
Bazzin guide, I recommend it to all our new pilots that try mining.

Sun Ying
Caldari
Sun Ltd.
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:22:00 - [325]
 

i think there is an error in the calculating your yield formula.
it's 37.5 instead of 0.375

zorgered
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:24:00 - [326]
 

Is there already an excel document following the Refining table and calculation?

If not, I'll make one and try to post it up on here. But if there already is one, please let me know so I don't waste a load of time :P

(Don't contact me ingame as this is my posting alt)

Neo Providence
Posted - 2007.10.27 19:53:00 - [327]
 

love the guide, and teh pic looks awesome.

DeAnnais
Ghetto Kings
Posted - 2007.11.01 16:59:00 - [328]
 

Nice Job on the revamped Miners guide.

Sun Ying
Caldari
Sun Ltd.
Posted - 2007.11.02 16:17:00 - [329]
 

the isk/unit and isk/m3 values in section 13.1 for Omber, Kernit, Jaspet, Hermorphite, Hedbergite, Gneiss do not correspond to the value you are using as example (which makes it confusing).

Heyte
Posted - 2007.11.05 20:08:00 - [330]
 

Do leadership skills that you possess (such as mining foreman, director, etc.) apply to you at all times? Or do they only work when in gang?

Sorry
<--- Noob


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