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 Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2006.12.01 07:50:00 - [ 1]
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 Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2006.12.01 07:53:00 - [ 2]
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 RotatoR Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.01 09:07:00 - [ 3]
Good job Halada, 48 pages mining guide in PDF... It will surely help a lot in education of new mining talents eve-wide. And don`t forget, mining is more enviromentally friendly than huntin, plexin or even pvpin  |
 Thaibog Destructive Influence Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2006.12.01 22:43:00 - [ 4]
I have to say this is a very impressive and complete guide to mining. Great Job Halada. |
 scabbsssjr Gallente Galactic Shipyards Inc Huzzah Federation |
Posted - 2006.12.01 23:22:00 - [ 5]
Edited by: scabbsssjr on 14/05/2007 22:48:15 Originally by: RotatoR Good job Halada, 48 pages mining guide in PDF... It will surely help a lot in education of new mining talents eve-wide.
And don`t forget, mining is more enviromentally friendly than huntin, plexin or even pvpin 
grats man, been lookin forward to this. |
 Raijen Ar'Desh Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:38:00 - [ 6]
Thanks alot for this guide. I was away from EVE for a year, and it was great to have this to reread and get in the swing of things. |
 Chruker |
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:22:00 - [ 7]
The direct download link doesn't always work if you right-click and choose save. My Internet Explorer wanted to download a .html file, which was because eve-files had a nagging commercial page before redirecting to the pdf.
Other than that, I'm looking forward to reading this version. I found the old one very usefull, even for somebody only a couple of days old in this game. |
 Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:18:00 - [ 8]
Fantastic, thank Halada and best of luck with your studies.
I haven't read it all yet, but found in section 1.2 minerals you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet.
Great job! |
 I1ceman |
Posted - 2006.12.03 13:10:00 - [ 9]
Brilliant !! |
 Shreddy Krueger Caldari YOU MAY FORGET US
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:13:00 - [ 10]
Hal, brilliant guide (still reading it) but one thing I need to address: Why hasn't anyone run numbers for the mining Rokh?
8 turret points, 780 base CPU and a shield resist bonus would surely make it the best mining ship in eve if at least not on par with the Domi/Apoc. |
 Ranek Starscream Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate |
Posted - 2006.12.04 01:44:00 - [ 11]
An amazing guide for anyone considering mining and people who already mine  |
 Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:00:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Shreddy Krueger Hal, brilliant guide (still reading it) but one thing I need to address: Why hasn't anyone run numbers for the mining Rokh?
8 turret points, 780 base CPU and a shield resist bonus would surely make it the best mining ship in eve if at least not on par with the Domi/Apoc.
The guide was re-written prior to revelations hitting and was only re-edited before publishing. I hadn't checked the Rokh yet and it came only to my attention after publishing the guide. You are absolutely right though, the Rokh is without a single doubt the best battleship to use as a mining platform. Its monster CPU allows you to fit 8 miners, one more MLU than the Apoc and still fit a tank ! It will be added to the guide in a future update, for now however I don't think it would be worth it for me to publish a new version for that change, in fact, the Rokh will mine 5% more than the Apoc, that's it (one extra MLU), so comparative charts and tables can be used for the Rokh or the Apoc as well since the difference is quite minimal. For 0.0 of course the Rokh is the best choice as the Apoc cannot fit a tank when going on full mining setup. |
 evistin Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective |
Posted - 2006.12.05 14:35:00 - [ 13]
Your Guide taught god knows how many people how to mine and how to make money through minning. I am sure your contributions will not be forgotten. |
 Beatrice Belleza Rymden Varvet Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2006.12.05 16:06:00 - [ 14]
Found an error. On page 16 it says the following: Quote: Using T2 miners, which has a 80m3/cycle base yield, you would get: 60 * 1.20 * 1.20=86.4m3/cycle(note the yield is not truncated nor rounded)
T2 miners have a 60m3/cycle base yield. Not a big error, but still trying to do my part to help with the guide. |
 Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:02:00 - [ 15]
Oups, thanks ! It's not a big mistake since I use the correct yield in the equation (wtf?) but will take note ! Thanks  |
 Ace V |
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:22:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Ace V on 05/12/2006 20:23:16 This morning after reading through the drones section(this has been my first time reading the guide, just DLed it the other day) I was curious about the whole harvester vs T2 mining drones debate so I figured it out and wrote it up in table in microsoft word which I can send you I you want.
In the end it appears over the time of one hour if you are mining 5km and closer than harvesters are better, if its 5km-15km than T2 drones are better. The Drone Navigation skill also comes into play.
Let me know if you want it, its not too complex and you can change it if you like.
[Edit] This is Beatrice Belleza's(above) other character, posted with wrong one. |
 Cynoslaver |
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:58:00 - [ 17]
I'll toss out another option/correction. Halada only likes to include what he thinks is the only way to do things and passes off anything he thinks he knows as Gospel.
If you swap out the active hardeners on the Hulk for Dread Passives, and get the shield compensation skill for those speciic times you can get up to 65% resist bonus per passive on your hulk without having to use cap draining actives at all and the fit is exactly the same.
Makes tanking while keeping your upgrades muuuuuuuuuch much better. |
 Egil Kolsto Caldari Collwood Collective
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:57:00 - [ 18]
Did some initial math. ship 1 hulk with mining II drones - 1350 ore units/minute ship 2 Rokh with Tech II medium drones as defense - 830 ore units
Pretty solid defense, the Hulk can even swap out the Mining drones for Tech II light since the bay fits 50 m3
Great guide Halada! |
 Cynoslaver |
Posted - 2006.12.05 23:30:00 - [ 19]
Yeah, the Rokh seems to be a great bship possibly better than apoc/domi for a normal tank.
My only prob with battleships is you need cargo boost unless you like to stagger your lasers and empty every 30 seconds which is crazy annoying. So you could get 5 mining upgrades on rokh and shield tank, but might end up with like 3 and 2 cargo boosters? |
 Shreddy Krueger Caldari YOU MAY FORGET US
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Posted - 2006.12.06 01:51:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Cynoslaver Yeah, the Rokh seems to be a great bship possibly better than apoc/domi for a normal tank.
My only prob with battleships is you need cargo boost unless you like to stagger your lasers and empty every 30 seconds which is crazy annoying. So you could get 5 mining upgrades on rokh and shield tank, but might end up with like 3 and 2 cargo boosters?
I personally would stagger the laser cycles and use the 3 extra low slots to fit 2 Co-proc II's and an extra Mining Upgrade. So what if you lose 15-30 seconds of mining time due to staggering, you end up mining 5% more ore and that'll pay itself off soon enough. |
 Dai007 Caldari Novatech Armada Imperial 0rder |
Posted - 2006.12.06 02:10:00 - [ 21]
Very nice Halada, loved your old guide and this one just rules. The calculations and explanations are very good.
Good luck with your "student" life :) |
 Xiqiqi |
Posted - 2006.12.06 11:39:00 - [ 22]
Just to say thanks for the guide from a 2 day born. I went from completely clueless to knowing what to skill, what to mine and what to do with it.
One question - excuse me if this is not the place - but I have found mining with the Bantam a rather dangerous occupation - would a Merlin be a good upgrade as soon as possible for a newbie - at least it would be possible to fit some weapons as well as the two mining lasers? |
 Beatrice Belleza Rymden Varvet Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2006.12.06 14:15:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Xiqiqi Just to say thanks for the guide from a 2 day born. I went from completely clueless to knowing what to skill, what to mine and what to do with it.
One question - excuse me if this is not the place - but I have found mining with the Bantam a rather dangerous occupation - would a Merlin be a good upgrade as soon as possible for a newbie - at least it would be possible to fit some weapons as well as the two mining lasers?
How has mining in a bantam become dangerous? Perhaps you shoulds mine in higher security space if the rats are too much for you? Try 1.0-.8 |
 Egil Kolsto Caldari Collwood Collective
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:04:00 - [ 24]
Not sure what you mean about the Rokh and it lows?
I could swear the link I looked at it had 8 highs 6 med 5 lows? |
 Cynoslaver |
Posted - 2006.12.06 17:52:00 - [ 25]
Yeah, use the mids to shield tank, 8 t2 miners in ups and whatever cpu/mining upgrades/cargo expandersyou might need in lows to boost it all
isntead of like armour tanking in an apoc for example usin yer lows for that. |
 Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.12.07 01:20:00 - [ 26]
Seems you might have missed this correction in my first post:
Section 1.2 minerals, you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet in the yield table. |
 Dai007 Caldari Novatech Armada Imperial 0rder |
Posted - 2006.12.07 03:16:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Dai007 on 07/12/2006 03:27:07Edited by: Dai007 on 07/12/2006 03:19:38Section 6 - Acheiving Perfection Quote: HX-1 Highwall (slot 10) + 5% to yield (requires Cybernetic V)
Shouldnt that be HX-2 Highwall, since the HX-1 gives 3% |
 Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2006.12.07 09:35:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Rumbaar Seems you might have missed this correction in my first post:
Section 1.2 minerals, you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet in the yield table.
It appears in the erratum already. |
 Orrin Danestarr Minmatar Merchants Trade Consortium NxT LeveL |
Posted - 2006.12.07 20:36:00 - [ 29]
A wonderful and informative guide. Hats off, my good man.  |
 Cynoslaver |
Posted - 2006.12.07 21:24:00 - [ 30]
Turns out the em/thermic etc specific compensation gives a 5% bonus not to your resists but 5% "of" the resists of the specific hardener. In the case of a gurrista, it's about 1-1.5% per point.
Not as good as the actives then, but requires no cap, and as lon gas the tank holds etc. (for hulks) |