Posted - 2006.12.01 07:53:00 - [2]

 

Edited by: Halada on 25/06/2008 07:01:40

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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:43:00 - [4]

 

I have to say this is a very impressive and complete guide to mining. Great Job Halada.

Posted - 2006.12.02 02:38:00 - [6]

 

Thanks alot for this guide. I was away from EVE for a year, and it was great to have this to reread and get in the swing of things.

Posted - 2006.12.02 23:18:00 - [8]

 

Fantastic, thank Halada and best of luck with your studies.

I haven't read it all yet, but found in section 1.2 minerals you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet.

Great job!

Posted - 2006.12.04 01:13:00 - [10]

 

Hal, brilliant guide (still reading it) but one thing I need to address: Why hasn't anyone run numbers for the mining Rokh?

8 turret points, 780 base CPU and a shield resist bonus would surely make it the best mining ship in eve if at least not on par with the Domi/Apoc.

Posted - 2006.12.04 14:00:00 - [12]

 

Originally by: Shreddy Krueger

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Hal, brilliant guide (still reading it) but one thing I need to address: Why hasn't anyone run numbers for the mining Rokh?

8 turret points, 780 base CPU and a shield resist bonus would surely make it the best mining ship in eve if at least not on par with the Domi/Apoc.

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The guide was re-written prior to revelations hitting and was only re-edited before publishing. I hadn't checked the Rokh yet and it came only to my attention after publishing the guide.

You are absolutely right though, the Rokh is without a single doubt the best battleship to use as a mining platform. Its monster CPU allows you to fit 8 miners, one more MLU than the Apoc and still fit a tank !

It will be added to the guide in a future update, for now however I don't think it would be worth it for me to publish a new version for that change, in fact, the Rokh will mine 5% more than the Apoc, that's it (one extra MLU), so comparative charts and tables can be used for the Rokh or the Apoc as well since the difference is quite minimal. For 0.0 of course the Rokh is the best choice as the Apoc cannot fit a tank when going on full mining setup.

Posted - 2006.12.05 16:06:00 - [14]

 

Found an error. On page 16 it says the following:

Quote:

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Using T2 miners, which has a 80m3/cycle base yield, you would get:
60 * 1.20 * 1.20=86.4m3/cycle(note the yield is not truncated nor rounded)

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T2 miners have a 60m3/cycle base yield.
Not a big error, but still trying to do my part to help with the guide.

Posted - 2006.12.05 20:22:00 - [16]

 

Edited by: Ace V on 05/12/2006 20:23:16
This morning after reading through the drones section(this has been my first time reading the guide, just DLed it the other day) I was curious about the whole harvester vs T2 mining drones debate so I figured it out and wrote it up in table in microsoft word which I can send you I you want.

In the end it appears over the time of one hour if you are mining 5km and closer than harvesters are better, if its 5km-15km than T2 drones are better.
The Drone Navigation skill also comes into play.


Let me know if you want it, its not too complex and you can change it if you like.

[Edit] This is Beatrice Belleza's(above) other character, posted with wrong one.

Posted - 2006.12.05 21:57:00 - [18]

 

Did some initial math.
ship 1 hulk with mining II drones - 1350 ore units/minute
ship 2 Rokh with Tech II medium drones as defense - 830 ore units

Pretty solid defense, the Hulk can even swap out the Mining drones for Tech II light since the bay fits 50 m3

Great guide Halada!

Posted - 2006.12.06 01:51:00 - [20]

 

Originally by: Cynoslaver

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Yeah, the Rokh seems to be a great bship possibly better than apoc/domi for a normal tank.

My only prob with battleships is you need cargo boost unless you like to stagger your lasers and empty every 30 seconds which is crazy annoying. So you could get 5 mining upgrades on rokh and shield tank, but might end up with like 3 and 2 cargo boosters?

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I personally would stagger the laser cycles and use the 3 extra low slots to fit 2 Co-proc II's and an extra Mining Upgrade. So what if you lose 15-30 seconds of mining time due to staggering, you end up mining 5% more ore and that'll pay itself off soon enough.

Posted - 2006.12.06 11:39:00 - [22]

 

Just to say thanks for the guide from a 2 day born. I went from completely clueless to knowing what to skill, what to mine and what to do with it.

One question - excuse me if this is not the place - but I have found mining with the Bantam a rather dangerous occupation - would a Merlin be a good upgrade as soon as possible for a newbie - at least it would be possible to fit some weapons as well as the two mining lasers?

Posted - 2006.12.06 16:04:00 - [24]

 

Not sure what you mean about the Rokh and it lows?

I could swear the link I looked at it had 8 highs 6 med 5 lows?

Posted - 2006.12.07 01:20:00 - [26]

 

Seems you might have missed this correction in my first post:

Section 1.2 minerals, you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet in the yield table.

Posted - 2006.12.07 09:35:00 - [28]

 

Originally by: Rumbaar

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Seems you might have missed this correction in my first post:

Section 1.2 minerals, you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet in the yield table.

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It appears in the erratum already.

Posted - 2006.12.07 21:24:00 - [30]

 

Turns out the em/thermic etc specific compensation gives a 5% bonus not to your resists but 5% "of" the resists of the specific hardener. In the case of a gurrista, it's about 1-1.5% per point.

Not as good as the actives then, but requires no cap, and as lon gas the tank holds etc. (for hulks)