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Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2006.12.01 07:50:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Halada on 28/05/2009 16:52:08
Edited by: Halada on 28/05/2009 16:51:55

06.10.07

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Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2006.12.01 07:53:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Halada on 25/06/2008 07:01:40

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RotatoR
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.01 09:07:00 - [3]
 

Good job Halada, 48 pages mining guide in PDF... It will surely help a lot in education of new mining talents eve-wide.

And don`t forget, mining is more enviromentally friendly than huntin, plexin or even pvpin Embarassed

Thaibog
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.12.01 22:43:00 - [4]
 

I have to say this is a very impressive and complete guide to mining. Great Job Halada.

scabbsssjr
Gallente
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2006.12.01 23:22:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: scabbsssjr on 14/05/2007 22:48:15
Originally by: RotatoR
Good job Halada, 48 pages mining guide in PDF... It will surely help a lot in education of new mining talents eve-wide.

And don`t forget, mining is more enviromentally friendly than huntin, plexin or even pvpin Embarassed


grats man, been lookin forward to this.

Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente
Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
Posted - 2006.12.02 02:38:00 - [6]
 

Thanks alot for this guide. I was away from EVE for a year, and it was great to have this to reread and get in the swing of things.

Chruker
Posted - 2006.12.02 07:22:00 - [7]
 

The direct download link doesn't always work if you right-click and choose save. My Internet Explorer wanted to download a .html file, which was because eve-files had a nagging commercial page before redirecting to the pdf.

Other than that, I'm looking forward to reading this version. I found the old one very usefull, even for somebody only a couple of days old in this game.

Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
Posted - 2006.12.02 23:18:00 - [8]
 

Fantastic, thank Halada and best of luck with your studies.

I haven't read it all yet, but found in section 1.2 minerals you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet.

Great job!

I1ceman
Posted - 2006.12.03 13:10:00 - [9]
 

Brilliant !!

Shreddy Krueger
Caldari
YOU MAY FORGET US
Posted - 2006.12.04 01:13:00 - [10]
 

Hal, brilliant guide (still reading it) but one thing I need to address: Why hasn't anyone run numbers for the mining Rokh?

8 turret points, 780 base CPU and a shield resist bonus would surely make it the best mining ship in eve if at least not on par with the Domi/Apoc.

Ranek Starscream
Caldari
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2006.12.04 01:44:00 - [11]
 

An amazing guide for anyone considering mining and people who already mine Very Happy

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2006.12.04 14:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Shreddy Krueger
Hal, brilliant guide (still reading it) but one thing I need to address: Why hasn't anyone run numbers for the mining Rokh?

8 turret points, 780 base CPU and a shield resist bonus would surely make it the best mining ship in eve if at least not on par with the Domi/Apoc.


The guide was re-written prior to revelations hitting and was only re-edited before publishing. I hadn't checked the Rokh yet and it came only to my attention after publishing the guide.

You are absolutely right though, the Rokh is without a single doubt the best battleship to use as a mining platform. Its monster CPU allows you to fit 8 miners, one more MLU than the Apoc and still fit a tank !

It will be added to the guide in a future update, for now however I don't think it would be worth it for me to publish a new version for that change, in fact, the Rokh will mine 5% more than the Apoc, that's it (one extra MLU), so comparative charts and tables can be used for the Rokh or the Apoc as well since the difference is quite minimal. For 0.0 of course the Rokh is the best choice as the Apoc cannot fit a tank when going on full mining setup.

evistin
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
Posted - 2006.12.05 14:35:00 - [13]
 

Your Guide taught god knows how many people how to mine and how to make money through minning. I am sure your contributions will not be forgotten.

Beatrice Belleza
Rymden Varvet
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.12.05 16:06:00 - [14]
 

Found an error. On page 16 it says the following:

Quote:
Using T2 miners, which has a 80m3/cycle base yield, you would get:
60 * 1.20 * 1.20=86.4m3/cycle(note the yield is not truncated nor rounded)

T2 miners have a 60m3/cycle base yield.
Not a big error, but still trying to do my part to help with the guide.

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:02:00 - [15]
 

Oups, thanks ! It's not a big mistake since I use the correct yield in the equation (wtf?) but will take note ! Thanks Very Happy

Ace V
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:22:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Ace V on 05/12/2006 20:23:16
This morning after reading through the drones section(this has been my first time reading the guide, just DLed it the other day) I was curious about the whole harvester vs T2 mining drones debate so I figured it out and wrote it up in table in microsoft word which I can send you I you want.

In the end it appears over the time of one hour if you are mining 5km and closer than harvesters are better, if its 5km-15km than T2 drones are better.
The Drone Navigation skill also comes into play.


Let me know if you want it, its not too complex and you can change it if you like.

[Edit] This is Beatrice Belleza's(above) other character, posted with wrong one.

Cynoslaver
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:58:00 - [17]
 

I'll toss out another option/correction. Halada only likes to include what he thinks is the only way to do things and passes off anything he thinks he knows as Gospel.

If you swap out the active hardeners on the Hulk for Dread Passives, and get the shield compensation skill for those speciic times you can get up to 65% resist bonus per passive on your hulk without having to use cap draining actives at all and the fit is exactly the same.

Makes tanking while keeping your upgrades muuuuuuuuuch much better.

Egil Kolsto
Caldari
Collwood Collective
Posted - 2006.12.05 21:57:00 - [18]
 

Did some initial math.
ship 1 hulk with mining II drones - 1350 ore units/minute
ship 2 Rokh with Tech II medium drones as defense - 830 ore units

Pretty solid defense, the Hulk can even swap out the Mining drones for Tech II light since the bay fits 50 m3

Great guide Halada!

Cynoslaver
Posted - 2006.12.05 23:30:00 - [19]
 

Yeah, the Rokh seems to be a great bship possibly better than apoc/domi for a normal tank.

My only prob with battleships is you need cargo boost unless you like to stagger your lasers and empty every 30 seconds which is crazy annoying. So you could get 5 mining upgrades on rokh and shield tank, but might end up with like 3 and 2 cargo boosters?

Shreddy Krueger
Caldari
YOU MAY FORGET US
Posted - 2006.12.06 01:51:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cynoslaver
Yeah, the Rokh seems to be a great bship possibly better than apoc/domi for a normal tank.

My only prob with battleships is you need cargo boost unless you like to stagger your lasers and empty every 30 seconds which is crazy annoying. So you could get 5 mining upgrades on rokh and shield tank, but might end up with like 3 and 2 cargo boosters?


I personally would stagger the laser cycles and use the 3 extra low slots to fit 2 Co-proc II's and an extra Mining Upgrade. So what if you lose 15-30 seconds of mining time due to staggering, you end up mining 5% more ore and that'll pay itself off soon enough.

Dai007
Caldari
Novatech Armada
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2006.12.06 02:10:00 - [21]
 

Very nice Halada, loved your old guide and this one just rules. The calculations and explanations are very good.

Good luck with your "student" life :)

Xiqiqi
Posted - 2006.12.06 11:39:00 - [22]
 

Just to say thanks for the guide from a 2 day born. I went from completely clueless to knowing what to skill, what to mine and what to do with it.

One question - excuse me if this is not the place - but I have found mining with the Bantam a rather dangerous occupation - would a Merlin be a good upgrade as soon as possible for a newbie - at least it would be possible to fit some weapons as well as the two mining lasers?

Beatrice Belleza
Rymden Varvet
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.12.06 14:15:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Xiqiqi
Just to say thanks for the guide from a 2 day born. I went from completely clueless to knowing what to skill, what to mine and what to do with it.

One question - excuse me if this is not the place - but I have found mining with the Bantam a rather dangerous occupation - would a Merlin be a good upgrade as soon as possible for a newbie - at least it would be possible to fit some weapons as well as the two mining lasers?
How has mining in a bantam become dangerous? Perhaps you shoulds mine in higher security space if the rats are too much for you? Try 1.0-.8

Egil Kolsto
Caldari
Collwood Collective
Posted - 2006.12.06 16:04:00 - [24]
 

Not sure what you mean about the Rokh and it lows?

I could swear the link I looked at it had 8 highs 6 med 5 lows?

Cynoslaver
Posted - 2006.12.06 17:52:00 - [25]
 

Yeah, use the mids to shield tank, 8 t2 miners in ups and whatever cpu/mining upgrades/cargo expandersyou might need in lows to boost it all

isntead of like armour tanking in an apoc for example usin yer lows for that.

Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
Posted - 2006.12.07 01:20:00 - [26]
 

Seems you might have missed this correction in my first post:

Section 1.2 minerals, you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet in the yield table.

Dai007
Caldari
Novatech Armada
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2006.12.07 03:16:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Dai007 on 07/12/2006 03:27:07
Edited by: Dai007 on 07/12/2006 03:19:38
Section 6 - Acheiving Perfection

Quote:
HX-1 Highwall (slot 10)
+ 5% to yield (requires Cybernetic V)



Shouldnt that be HX-2 Highwall, since the HX-1 gives 3%

Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2006.12.07 09:35:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Rumbaar
Seems you might have missed this correction in my first post:

Section 1.2 minerals, you've missed the 8 Zydrine you get when you refine Jaspet in the yield table.


It appears in the erratum already.

Orrin Danestarr
Minmatar
Merchants Trade Consortium
NxT LeveL
Posted - 2006.12.07 20:36:00 - [29]
 

A wonderful and informative guide.

Hats off, my good man.

Very Happy

Cynoslaver
Posted - 2006.12.07 21:24:00 - [30]
 

Turns out the em/thermic etc specific compensation gives a 5% bonus not to your resists but 5% "of" the resists of the specific hardener. In the case of a gurrista, it's about 1-1.5% per point.

Not as good as the actives then, but requires no cap, and as lon gas the tank holds etc. (for hulks)


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