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Free Mason
Caldari
Posted - 2006.11.29 23:43:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Free Mason on 29/11/2006 23:55:51
Hey there guys I have been playing with the abbaddon on the test server a fair ammount lately. I have been trying to get it to work out really well but am having issue with pvp and my lasers. I ended up smashing on a few people when i fitted it with large neutron blasters and a hot piece of tank... Lucky for me I think the people i was fighting did not fit nos or I would gone down pretty bad I think. My setup was:

High slots: 8 large neutron blasters

Midslots: 1MWD, 1injector, 1 warpdisruptor, 1 webber

Lowslots: 1 T2 repper, 3 hardeners (XP,Kin,Therm), 2 eanmII's and 1 magnetic stab 2

Has anyone found a better setup? or something totally off the wall I should try?
I toyed with fitting 1 repper, 3 eanmII's and 4 1600mm plates. I was slow but damn 29.8k hp was nuts. even with lower resistances tearing through the tank was tough for people.

Aeaus
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2006.11.30 00:22:00 - [2]
 

One has to wonder how that could have fit CPU wise.

Paigan
Amarr
Thirdwave
Posted - 2006.11.30 00:40:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Paigan on 30/11/2006 00:41:16
8x Heavy Nos

4x [what you like]

7x [what you like]

That's the best use for a abaddon imho.
Apoc is a better laser sniper
Geddon is a better laser ganker

Rokh is even more better in sniping
Megathron, Hyperion and again Rokh are even better as Blasterboats.


So whats left?
Use the high grid, the lack of cap and the resis plus high armor in the best way possible:
Build a Nosaddon.
Maybe with MWD. Must be f**** impressive to see that bolt rushing towards you at full speed and sucking you cap dry in a matter of seconds.

And would be btw the best capital killer available.

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2006.11.30 00:40:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: TrouserDeagle on 30/11/2006 00:41:55
8 MPL IIs with Conflag L
1 heavy electrochem, 2 cap rechargers, web
1 rep II, 3 active hardener IIs, 3 heat sink IIs
Looks pretty ganky to me.
Mmm... or you could get an Armageddon.

Monkphish
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.11.30 00:50:00 - [5]
 

on sisi fleet stress test i was using:

high: x8 tachs t1
mid: lrg injector t2, cap recharger t2, x2 sensor booster t1
low: x2 rcu t1, x3 hs t2,x2 cpr t1
rigs: x3 cap rigs

got 8 kill mails using multis, I was quite impressed with the raw damage.

I think tachs or autocannons are the way to go with this one.


Nyxus
Amarr
Fat J
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.11.30 01:18:00 - [6]
 

Best close range setup with the Abaddon is 800mm ACs. I am training T2 ACs for it now.

TBH we need a zero cap use laser crystal. Its the only way to tank it really.

Nyxus

Warrio
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.11.30 02:59:00 - [7]
 

I've had good results with it using Arty's or Auto's and a rock hard tank though for PvP I think I'll go with that Nosaddon setup. 1000 cap every few seconds, I could probs use a 4 repper setup with that. Razz

Montero
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2006.11.30 04:14:00 - [8]
 

Fit. It. With. Lasers. You. Noobs.


Woodstock
Vesa Supply Corp
Posted - 2006.11.30 05:01:00 - [9]
 

try fitting it with lasers and maintain your cap, you cant.

As far a using one as a mission boat, dont even try. Using hybrids or projectiles might be the way to go. The NOS idea really might be the way to go. Amarr really dont have any electronic warfare ships as it is, abbadon might be it.

Personally, i tried it and it doesnt suit my needs in any way atm.

Deathbarrage
Posted - 2006.11.30 06:43:00 - [10]
 

6x MP II, 2x heavy dim

cap recharger, electrochem, web, 20km

LAR II, 2x EANM II, DCU , 2x HS II, 1x 1600mm

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.11.30 07:40:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Verone on 30/11/2006 07:41:31


Obviously people haven't thought about how to fit it properly.

The ship is fine.

I can happily fit a Dual LAR II fully passive tank and get decent damage out of it no worries, while maintaining cap for in excess of 8 minutes.

And yes, that's with 8 turrets... and yes, they're large lasers.

Rolling Eyes


Paigan
Amarr
Thirdwave
Posted - 2006.11.30 10:24:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Montero
Fit. It. With. Lasers. You. Noobs.

Noobs. Fit. It. With. Lasers. You?

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2006.11.30 10:33:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 30/11/2006 07:41:31


Obviously people haven't thought about how to fit it properly.

The ship is fine.

I can happily fit a Dual LAR II fully passive tank and get decent damage out of it no worries, while maintaining cap for in excess of 8 minutes.

And yes, that's with 8 turrets... and yes, they're large lasers.

Rolling Eyes



dual heavy pulse's? or sheadloads of cap rechargers? cpr's? cap rigs?
dual cap injector?

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2006.11.30 10:40:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Paigan
Originally by: Montero
Fit. It. With. Lasers. You. Noobs.

Noobs. Fit. It. With. Lasers. You?


Have you tried cap rigs? I hear they do wonders on an Abaddon.

Montero
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2006.11.30 11:22:00 - [15]
 

You guys fit guns to your ships which don't recieve the ship bonuses, generaly with a terrible setup to boot, and then wonder why it sucks. Seriously Amarr ships (for the most part) are fine. Shame about their pilots.

Olavane Riftsnake
Madison Industrial Co.
Posted - 2006.11.30 11:30:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Olavane Riftsnake on 30/11/2006 11:30:55
HI: 8x Dual heavy modulated pulse or t2 ( multi and uv )
MED: Cap injector, tracking comp t2, sensor booster, warp disruptor
low: 2x 1600mm tungsted, 3x heat sink t2, ean2 , LAR2

Drones: 3 ogre

Dont fight more than one target at once and you are ok, keep always the cargo full of 800 charge.

I won againt new minmatar bc, megatron and hyperion. Another hyperion fitted with nos killed my cap before I could pop her ( only 20% strucutre left Smile )

All this on SISI

DeadDuck
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.30 12:03:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 30/11/2006 07:41:31


Obviously people haven't thought about how to fit it properly.

The ship is fine.

I can happily fit a Dual LAR II fully passive tank and get decent damage out of it no worries, while maintaining cap for in excess of 8 minutes.

And yes, that's with 8 turrets... and yes, they're large lasers.

Rolling Eyes




QFT. Tested in test server a very similar close range setup. Works fine

Deathbarrage
Posted - 2006.11.30 16:04:00 - [18]
 

shame on the DHP setups cuz they'll be outdamaged by a geddon with a better tank and MP's, and teh geddon won't have to fit cap recharge rigs to keep firing =)

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:15:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 30/11/2006 07:41:31


Obviously people haven't thought about how to fit it properly.

The ship is fine.

I can happily fit a Dual LAR II fully passive tank and get decent damage out of it no worries, while maintaining cap for in excess of 8 minutes.

And yes, that's with 8 turrets... and yes, they're large lasers.

Rolling Eyes




I think ur wasting ur time mate. 90% of ppl on the forums would rather whine and say u can't fit lasers than actually adapt and use their brain to fit it.

i have had some success with a 4 heavy nos, 4 mega pulse setup with cap injector and moderate tank. cap holds more than fine.

also with 8 dual heavies u can fit a very impressive tank and deal pretty good dmg throughout.

also makes a mean sniper with 8 tachy 2's, 3 sensor booster II's, tracking comp II, 2 tracking enhancer II's in lows, 3 heat sink II's.
very nice alpha strike

DE



DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Deathbarrage
shame on the DHP setups cuz they'll be outdamaged by a geddon with a better tank and MP's, and teh geddon won't have to fit cap recharge rigs to keep firing =)


and since when could the geddon fit megapulse and a good tank?

DE



Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:35:00 - [21]
 

4x MP2 (Conflagration)
2x Heavy Nos
2x Heavy Neut

1x 100AB2
1x Heavy Cap Booster
1x Fleeting Disruptor
1x Web (or?)

3x HS2
2x 1600mm
1x DC (best named)
1x EANM2

T2 Drones

Does it fit?

Siakel
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:41:00 - [22]
 

Abaddon setups for close range? Eh? Why bother?

Just use an Armageddon, IMO. More damage, same tank(Abaddon fits injector, 'Geddon fits EANM II or extra plate), and does it for a third of the price.

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:45:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Siakel
Abaddon setups for close range? Eh? Why bother?

Just use an Armageddon, IMO. More damage, same tank(Abaddon fits injector, 'Geddon fits EANM II or extra plate), and does it for a third of the price.


you are not thinking. the extra mid is a huge deal for amarr and in what way does it fit the same tank? hav u even looked at the fitting stats?

fair enough geddon outdamages abaddon but to fit a geddon for big dmg it has a very weak tank. abaddon is better than the geddon for solo by far, u just have to realise how to use it

DE



Siakel
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:52:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Siakel
Abaddon setups for close range? Eh? Why bother?

Just use an Armageddon, IMO. More damage, same tank(Abaddon fits injector, 'Geddon fits EANM II or extra plate), and does it for a third of the price.


you are not thinking. the extra mid is a huge deal for amarr and in what way does it fit the same tank? hav u even looked at the fitting stats?

fair enough geddon outdamages abaddon but to fit a geddon for big dmg it has a very weak tank. abaddon is better than the geddon for solo by far, u just have to realise how to use it

DE





It may very well be decent for solo, though with all the Nos out there I doubt it. For small gangs, however, it's not. That extra mid means an injector where the Armageddon doesn't fit one. With the standard small-gang plated setup (3x plates, 1 EANM 1 DCU 3 Heatsinks) the Abaddon either has to drop a plate, EANM, DCU, or heatsink. Fair enough, it can drop a Heatsink and have 25% better resists, but then you're lowering the already lower damage even further. My guess is that the Abaddon would either drop the EANM and let the bonus make up for it, or drop a plate and let the bonus/extra HP make up for it.

And I'd hardly call that a weak tank. It's no good for soloing, but it's great for small gang. When the enemy is taking forever to chew through all that nicely resisted HP, your guys are cutting their firepower to pieces.

Extra fitting stats are nice, but when you can already fit everything you need, adding 4000 powergrid doesn't suddenly make it better. I guess the Abaddon could fit a rep-intensive setup, but with the capuse from lasers on this thing? I wouldn't.

Siakel
Posted - 2006.11.30 17:54:00 - [25]
 

Anyway, I won't be touching the Abaddon unless I or my corp/alliance members can come up with a setup that actually outperforms the Armageddon at something. No way in hell I'm paying 3x the price for something that might, in certain situations, perform 3% better than the Armageddon.

Best use I can think of for the Abaddon is a Tachysniper for short engagements that don't involve too much warping or fitting a MWD.

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:00:00 - [26]
 

ok don't mean to be harsh here but if u fly a geddon without a cap injector then i have to doubt ur experience with amarr battleships. none injecting amarr bs die very easily and u say what does an exrta 4000 powergrid do when u fit everything but u don't fit everything on a geddon. there is so viable setups with mega pulse that use 8 high and tank anywhere near as good as the abaddon and u can dual rep the abaddon where as no geddon mega pulse setup can fit dual reps

DE



PKlavins
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:06:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: PKlavins on 30/11/2006 18:15:10
well ive just bought one of these beauties and i have the following...

HI's
8x Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse

MED's
4x Cap Rechargers

LO's
2x LAR (would be T2 but im not rich enough)
3x EANM (would be T2 but im not rich enough)
2x 1600mm Titanium plates

So...i have 19625 armor HP, 77EM, 54EXP, 56KIN and 63THERM resists as well as only half my powergrid and CPU filled (AWU lvl5 FTW!)

gonna try fitting some beams next maybe...or mega pulses...

edit: the cap is crap tho O.o

Siakel
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:16:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: DarkElf
ok don't mean to be harsh here but if u fly a geddon without a cap injector then i have to doubt ur experience with amarr battleships. none injecting amarr bs die very easily and u say what does an exrta 4000 powergrid do when u fit everything but u don't fit everything on a geddon. there is so viable setups with mega pulse that use 8 high and tank anywhere near as good as the abaddon and u can dual rep the abaddon where as no geddon mega pulse setup can fit dual reps

DE





You're going to fit Megapulses and a dualrep tank on the Abaddon? Are you planning on using dual injectors, too?

And yes, I fly Amarr exclusively. No, in 95% of small gang fights, you don't need an injector on the Armageddon.

As I said, it also doesn't need to be dualrepped. That's nice, but it's more solo-ey than smallgang-ey.

7x Megapulses whatever in mids, 3x 1600 RT 3 HS II 1 EANM II 1 DCU is a very nice tank with great damage for a gang-Armageddon. The Abaddon will, comparatively, be trash. As I said, it may very well be better for solo- I doubt it, because of how much more important cap/NOS are in solo combat.

Yes, I fit everything I want on my Armageddon. All an extra 4000 grid would do would be to let me slap on an injector for those 5% fights where having it would actually make a difference, and I'm not losing my gang the extra DPS and utility the Armageddon brings to the table to fit it.

As said, a passive-tanked Armageddon has a tank just as good as the Abaddon. Will the Abaddon be better in dualrep mode? Yes. If it fits ACs.

PKlavins
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:19:00 - [29]
 

hm yea i just tested it in a lvl3 mission...i had to warp out once my cap ran out. which was after 2 minutes. WTF???

im regretting buying this ship now...anyone got any suggestions?

gu o
Amarr
R.U.S.T.
Posted - 2006.11.30 18:20:00 - [30]
 

-One idea I have been playing with (that has been mentioned here before) is the idea of fitting the abba with projectiles.
-I think this would be an almost all too common sight in the near future for a vast majority of amarrians. We can tank and *gank*ugh
-With projectile we could pick our damage type... an amazing sensoation rarely witnessed by amarrians. Thus allowing us to attain better damages on more targets.
-We would also not have a cap use due to shooting, this is an advantage to no end that the majority of people will realize quite soon with this new expansion. Minmatar and missile spamming caldari characters have now gotten a hidden boost that no other race can match.
-Revelations appears to change the idea of "who can lay more hurt faster than the other" as it was in kali. to an idea of "who's tank can outlast shi* dps the longest" the game has now turned into a battle of tank/nos. no longer does massive DPS win every fight, instead you have to worry about smashing your opponents cap while sustaining your own.
-every abba fitted soon will be fitted with

High:5 800mm ac's 3 heavy diminishing nos

Mids:MWD, cap injector, webber, warpdisruptor

Lows:1 t2 large armour rep, 4 hardeners (one of each)2 eanm II's, 1 gyro 2

Rigs:T2 armour comp rigs (adds resistance to armour) [xp, kin, therm]

I cannot wait to find the resistaces on this thing it should be mid to upper 80's across the board. if anyone has the ability to fit as such woudl ya and let me know? if its really as my *poor math skills suggest 88% is the average across the board.


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