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Mar Idoun
Caldari
R.E.D Enterprises
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:29:00 - [1]
 

seems lately more than ever i've been seeing words like 'Toon', 'Pker' and 'Twinks'. Any theories on why this is?

food for thought (and discussion): what would you say is essentially Eve MMOG vocabulary? I know there's anacronyms and abbreviations, but what about words for broader terms like 'alts' and 'DPS' but more limited to the Eve social sphere.

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:34:00 - [2]
 

Well, all of those things are fairly standard MMO terms which Eve is thankfully almost totally without.

Yet to see Twinks used, Toon is fairly unoffensive and PKer is just used by whiners trying to belittle piracy (Yeah, I killed your hauler. It was not meant to be a fair fight, nor was I aiming for a thrilling encounter. Thank you for paying for my recklessness for the next month).

Jack Nodeal
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:34:00 - [3]
 

None of those words originated from wow, I was using the word player killer 'pk, pker' well before I played any mmo, and well before any mmos were really available. That being said dps and alt is also used in wow. They have to do with the way games are designed. In all mmo games player mesure damage, and the clearest way to say how much damage your caracter can do is with the term dps. Alt, is also a term used with more then mmos, in old style pen and paper games, toon, alt and caracter were all used.

So basicly, they are part of multiplayer games as a whole. However eve does have some unique termes like POS which are found in few other mmos.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:35:00 - [4]
 

Well, pilots (instead of "toon" or "character"), podding (intrinsically EVE way of saying "killing"), are the two obvious ones that spring to mind.

What about "Gank" and "Tank"? Are they from other games?

Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:36:00 - [5]
 

I haaaate all those terms, especially twink.

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:36:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Patch86
What about "Gank" and "Tank"? Are they from other games?
Yeah, they are totally standard as well.

Gothikia
Regeneration
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:37:00 - [7]
 

rofl, im assuming that twink in wow terms means something different to the twinks that I know of, hahaha Laughing

Jack Nodeal
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:38:00 - [8]
 

Most of these terms were made in ever quest as well as ultima online. Kind of makes me feel dirty when I use them.

Using the term twink should be inforcable by capital punishment.

Mar Idoun
Caldari
R.E.D Enterprises
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:39:00 - [9]
 

i'm aware a lot of terms transverse games and a lot aren't originally from WoW, it was a generalization. Gank is pretty omnipresent, but tank has a bit of a semantic difference in WoW and Eve. I've only played those these 2 games so I can't speak for others.

Jack Nodeal
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gothikia
rofl, im assuming that twink in wow terms means something different to the twinks that I know of, hahaha Laughing


It means a new caracter that you have geared with the best of items to make him largely superior to any other caracter of that lvl.

It would be like a 3 week old caracter flying in a fully fitted officer imperial raven with t3 launchers (assuming stuff in eve took no skill to use)

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Gothikia
rofl, im assuming that twink in wow terms means something different to the twinks that I know of, hahaha Laughing

Giving a new player loot far beyond his ability to get on his own.

An Eve example would be that GM scorpion incident Laughing

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:42:00 - [12]
 

I'm kinda assuming that "Rat" is an entirely EVE thing, as a word for "NPC enemy" or "mob".

Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:44:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Glumpumpkin on 25/11/2006 22:44:58
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If someone refers to my character as a twink I'm filing a petition.

Refering to one's character as a 'toon' is exceedingly annoying and it ruins any perception one may have had about EVE being a roleplaying environment and suggests that the person using the term is ashamed to refer to their character's progress using the word 'I'. I don't roleplay myself, but I appreciate that frank discussions on game mechanics and in-game events are possible between RPers and regular players without disrupting immersion.

Using the term Pker is just ridiculous, as this game is structured to accommodate them.

I can't think of any eve-specific terminology that hasn't already been mentioned in this thread, but I thought I'd share my thoughts on those terms outlined in the original post :)

Jack Nodeal
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:45:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Patch86
I'm kinda assuming that "Rat" is an entirely EVE thing, as a word for "NPC enemy" or "mob".


Actually rat was used in uo, as a refference to a certain type of mob. (humanoid type) but as a refference to all monsters yeah I think you are right.

Gothikia
Regeneration
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:53:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Gothikia
rofl, im assuming that twink in wow terms means something different to the twinks that I know of, hahaha Laughing

Giving a new player loot far beyond his ability to get on his own.

An Eve example would be that GM scorpion incident Laughing


haha, gotcha

Evol1
Viziam
Posted - 2006.11.25 22:53:00 - [16]
 

A "twink" was a char that had gear on or using items far beyond it's level, to be uber in PvP. That's what it was in AO.

Mar Idoun
Caldari
R.E.D Enterprises
Posted - 2006.11.25 23:05:00 - [17]
 

I remember twinks in the Battlegrounds in WoW (for those not in the know, essentially you're put into an arena with a team of others from your faction but only levels 10-19 will be in a certain instance.) Essentially, Twinks in this situation is a character that has gear and buffs that cost way more and are unattainable without a large amount of money, more money then any level 10-19 should have.

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.11.25 23:08:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mar Idoun
seems lately more than ever i've been seeing words like 'Toon', 'Pker' and 'Twinks'. Any theories on why this is?

food for thought (and discussion): what would you say is essentially Eve MMOG vocabulary? I know there's anacronyms and abbreviations, but what about words for broader terms like 'alts' and 'DPS' but more limited to the Eve social sphere.


I strongly suggest killing anyone you see call their character a 'toon'.

Those terms are getting used more often because more kids are starting to play perhaps? Altho 'Twink' is a term I've seen used since 98 or 99 on MUDs to describe some lame cheater.

Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
Posted - 2006.11.25 23:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Verus Potestas
Giving a new player loot far beyond his ability to get on his own.

An Eve example would be that GM scorpion incident Laughing

please tell me more, sounds interesting :)

Taaketa Frist
Minmatar
Galactic Defence Consortium
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2006.11.25 23:15:00 - [20]
 

I refere to both my characters as "him" or "her" and I mostly speak of them in third person. This sort of a "safety blanket" for myself and for my parents (Who have no clue about my gaming habits/hobby when I speak of them) to show a certain level of detactment from the game and understand that it is JUST a game. Within game I may use "I" when refering to my characters or not but when running two and people know its too sometimes I have to talk in the third person there as well to make clear some statements.

Ones I think are pretty general are, Tank,

DPS (although in Eve its more refered to as a single question with several answers eg: I have artillaries long range, about 1000+ damage, primarily Thermal kinetic)

PKer in Eve actually translate to Pod Killer rather than player killer

Rat (NPC pirate) or Prat (player pirate) I can only assume are exclusively Eve related in nature. Also Hostiles go hand in hand with this.

Twink in Eve. The only way to do that is give someone a tonne of cash and thats about it.

Alts I would say is pretty general across most games. Toon... Toon is something that makes me think of kids saying that. I would say older people use the term "alt".

Gank would be "Gank squads" I don't believe you can "gank" by yourself in Eve - maybe you can and I am just ignorant.

Feyd Darkholme
Caldari
Posted - 2006.11.25 23:52:00 - [21]
 

Since I play and have played many different MMOGs over the years, I've become used to various terms that different MMOG communities use in their regular vocabulary. I still however cringe whenever someone calls their character a "toon", even though I've played games like AO for quite some time now where the term is common. I'm not really fond of the term "mob" either. Nothing else really offends me though. You just have to know what terms are used in what MMOG communities vocabulary is all. One term that is commonly used in one may get you flamed in another. I imagine that we'll see people more and more using terms uncommon to EVE as more people mature out of games like WoW and branch out to try other MMOGs.

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:04:00 - [22]
 

The terms PKer and MOBs are at least from the days of MUDs, before all these newfangled eye candy games! Back in my day we just had text! And if we were lucky, we had 16 different colors of text!
Laughing

The term NPC actually came out of table top games like D&D.

In fact, the only acronym that I can think of that might be unique to WoW would be DKP.
/shudder... ugh makes me sickish just thinking about that one.

I remember talking about DPS in regards to DAoC prior to EVE's time, so that's at least a "not Eve" one.

As far as EVE terms there's this list.

Then there's other obvious stuff like Gankageddon, Sniperthron, capsuleer, podding... Things obviously of Eve origin.

Can't really think of any generic terms, like ganking, that could apply to other games that have come out of EVE. But then I haven't been around Eve that long.


Mephesto Nizal
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:13:00 - [23]
 

well if you want another word for gank and tank, maybe use Bush and Sorb. From Ambush and Absorb. Laughing The posibilities are endless.

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:20:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Feyd Darkholme
...I'm not really fond of the term "mob" either...


I believe the term "mob" came out of MUDs as a shortening of the word mobile. Because the coding of those NPCs allowed them to wander about their virtual world.

Could be wrong, but if I'm not it's actually pretty strange that that term has stuck around like it has. It's hardly anything noteworthy that critters wander about in games now.

Jack Nodeal
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:32:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Roy Batty68
The terms PKer and MOBs are at least from the days of MUDs, before all these newfangled eye candy games! Back in my day we just had text! And if we were lucky, we had 16 different colors of text!
Laughing

The term NPC actually came out of table top games like D&D.

In fact, the only acronym that I can think of that might be unique to WoW would be DKP.
/shudder... ugh makes me sickish just thinking about that one.

I remember talking about DPS in regards to DAoC prior to EVE's time, so that's at least a "not Eve" one.

As far as EVE terms there's this list.

Then there's other obvious stuff like Gankageddon, Sniperthron, capsuleer, podding... Things obviously of Eve origin.

Can't really think of any generic terms, like ganking, that could apply to other games that have come out of EVE. But then I haven't been around Eve that long.




No infact dkp or dragon kill points originated from everquest where most dungeons had a dragon of some sorts to kill. Wow really brought no new terms that I can think of, and Yes I have played it for 2 years now and still do.

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:36:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jack Nodeal
Originally by: Patch86
I'm kinda assuming that "Rat" is an entirely EVE thing, as a word for "NPC enemy" or "mob".


Actually rat was used in uo, as a refference to a certain type of mob. (humanoid type) but as a refference to all monsters yeah I think you are right.
Even just touch before UO usage. It was in a game from Sierra called The Realm. Everyone started by stepping outside of town and killing rats. UO came along a few months after The Realm did and alot of transplants took it with them.

I feel old knowing that.

Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:39:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: Feyd Darkholme
...I'm not really fond of the term "mob" either...


I believe the term "mob" came out of MUDs as a shortening of the word mobile. Because the coding of those NPCs allowed them to wander about their virtual world.

Could be wrong, but if I'm not it's actually pretty strange that that term has stuck around like it has. It's hardly anything noteworthy that critters wander about in games now.



You're absolutely correct.

And for the record, before someone spreads that horrible lie, the word means 'Mobile Object'.. Not "Monster or Beast".

Mob, DPS, tank, gank, alt, toon, twink... Pretty much every term that supposedly came out of MMOGs, hasn't. These words have been used since the dawn of text-based games. Hell, some of them even come from pen and paper games. (Twink, aka, Munchkin.)


Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:48:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Siriyana on 26/11/2006 00:49:20
In terms of an online RPG, twink is much older than WoW.

In fact, "twink" was back from the MOO/MUD/MUSH/MUCK days, and was generally used to refer to someone who cheated or went outside the rules of the game to cheat. Calling someone a twink was a pretty hefty accusation.

And if you don't know what a MOO is.. well... I just won't go into it. Razz Just think EVE, but all text-based.

Alt is an old goody too. "Alternate Character" on games that allowed you to have more than one (Many games only let you have one). PK was "player kill" and many games had no PK or had consensual-only PK. Lots of games were really consensual only. RP was consensual, combat was consensual, etc.

Jasper De'tami
Gallente
Kvasir Technologies
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:49:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Jack Nodeal
Originally by: Patch86
I'm kinda assuming that "Rat" is an entirely EVE thing, as a word for "NPC enemy" or "mob".


Actually rat was used in uo, as a refference to a certain type of mob. (humanoid type) but as a refference to all monsters yeah I think you are right.
Even just touch before UO usage. It was in a game from Sierra called The Realm. Everyone started by stepping outside of town and killing rats. UO came along a few months after The Realm did and alot of transplants took it with them.

I feel old knowing that.



Well dont worry, your not *that* old, since the term "rat" or "ratting" predates UO by a long shot.

As already mentioned, most of these terms date back to MUDs, and yes I am in my 30s and used to play muds quite a lot. Just about the only term here that was not used in muds was "toon", for obvious reasons. As for twink, I havnt heard that term until I read this thread. All the other terms date back to MUDs in the 80s.

Rats in fantasy based RPGs, online, single player offline, text based and table top pencil and paper, are a very common first enemy. When I started eve it drove me nuts that people would use such an insanely out of character term for NPCs(being its space, not fantasy) but I quickly learning 99% of eve is OOC, so I let it go.

Redart
Paxton Industries
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.11.26 00:56:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mar Idoun
'Pker'


You cannot PK in WoW.

PK comes from UO.


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