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Magunus
The Forsakened Few
Green Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.17 00:27:00 - [121]
 

I used to play a lot of Vampire and some Hunter, and read the Exalted, Mummy, Mage, and Werewolf books. I liked the way they built the story quite a bit. I've also frequently been struck by the similarities in the skill systems in Eve and WW games. Actually, I wondered if CCP didn't get the idea for the skilling system from WW.

Horb
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.11.17 03:22:00 - [122]
 

Having just went through a corporate merger myself I have to ask...who's losing their job?

/me watches his coworkers drop like flies.

Oreth Te
Posted - 2006.11.17 11:42:00 - [123]
 

It is good to see CCP looking to the future and exploring ways to improove and secure their position, as this benifits themselves and their customer base, us players.
However this merger gives me concern, I only hope the other partners agenda dosn't result in CCP becomming distracted or unfocussed from providing us with excellent EVE gaming entertainment we have come to expect. Despite this feeling, I wish them well in the endevour.

Rodrigo Sarn
Posted - 2006.11.17 20:08:00 - [124]
 

Guys, this is absolutely great news. As I am a HUGE White Wolf fan boy, I really could not believe my eyes when I read it. Two things:

(1) This is going to be primarily about developing a new MMO (and perhaps other genres of game) based on World of Darkness. WoD made a big name for itself, and a fair shake of the WW fans will support any half-way decent WoD project.

(2) If possible, this merger should have been completed long ago. Alot of new blood came into White Wolf when they finalized their original World of Darkness, and rebooted things with WoD 2.0. While WoD 2 isn't bad, I feel it lacks alot of the edge, thematic depth, interactivity (of gamelines) and balance that the original eventually acheived.

And because they are still trying to sell current books, and not discontinued ones, there is pretty much no way that future projects will include the older, better gaming universe. So it's still a great thing, but to be honest, the jury is still out on this new batch of developers, so it's kind of a crap shoot.

So yeah. Do NOT expect the nosferatu module to whine about how inhuman it has become or anything. EVE will only be affected slightly from this, I'm sure.

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2006.11.17 21:28:00 - [125]
 

Well i loved vampire:bloodlines so i like it:)

DefJam101
Gallente
Monolithic.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2006.11.19 00:08:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Albus
Yeah, maybe you're right. From the sound of it they've already been wasting programmers time doing it though. The cynic in me can see lots of resources being piled into it, only for them to realise once it's done that running around in a station Elf-stylee really won't work within EVE at all. I just can't think of any reason anyone would want to, but maybe that's just me. If I wanted to prace around pretending I was dancing etc. then I'd go play Guild Wars or something. If they do put it in lets hope to God they let you do everything in station without having to use it, or there'll be some severe outrage from all the real Eve players amongst us.

It is my understanding that using the in-station environment will not be a requirement for capsuleers. One of my initial concerns was that players would be required to move through the station to check out their hangar, look at the market, run over to an agent, run over to fitting, then back to the ship a la Earth & Beyond. I've been told there will not be any unnecessary time sinks added to the game, such a having to run everywhere in station.



Just to clear this up.
*kisses kieron's feet*
You are a God among men!

Long live CCP, the last of the smart people!

Driven
Caldari
Qantium
Superior Eve Engineering
Posted - 2006.11.19 03:12:00 - [127]
 

Has anyone asked the CEO of White Wolf what stealth boosts/nerfs/rule changes he might like to spring on us in the next patch or maybe tomorrow after dt?

dennyreborn
Posted - 2006.11.20 05:47:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Driven
Has anyone asked the CEO of White Wolf what stealth boosts/nerfs/rule changes he might like to spring on us in the next patch or maybe tomorrow after dt?


now when cloaked you are not actually invisible but instead you have a icon of a person with his hands folded across his chest. sort of like obfuscate in minds eye theater. if anyone acts like they saw you then they get penalized SP for bad role playing.

Faol'gus
Posted - 2006.11.21 01:32:00 - [129]
 

When i read this i remember the pic of the scorpion, rolling to scramble, now where is it?

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6470/wizardya4.jpg

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2006.11.21 20:59:00 - [130]
 

being the fine upstanding collection of sob's that my friday night rpg group is we have convinced the one member who was not playing eve that we will be changing over in the future to play the EVE rpg. we have further convinced him that the EVE rpg uses your EVE computer game stats and skills as a starting point for character development and assets. further developments in the computer game char will of course be reflected in adjustments to the rpg characters skills and assets.Laughing
now of course the part that is funny is that his wife is dead set against him signing up for eve online and the poor lad is totally whipped.
we are racking our brains trying to come up with more reasons his eve rpg char will be totally gimped compared to people who play the computer version. he simply moans a bit about how it won't be fair while we try desperately to keep from rupturing ourselves laughing.
the truly sad part is that he's made absolutely NO effort whatsoever to independantly verify if anything we have told him is correct.Shocked

Cethrie
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.11.22 05:21:00 - [131]
 

This is fantastic... except no cheerleader smilies!

KamiCrazy
Caldari
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2006.11.23 06:07:00 - [132]
 

I cannot understand why CCP would do this.

It certainly makes no sense to me, I have nothing against white wolf, and yes I have played some of their games a few years ago but this merger seems the most illogical thing ccp could do. It would of made more sense for ccp to get into the fast food industry.

My only question is, was White Wolf up for sale at any time before the merger? I guess I would like to know if CCP aquired white wolf on a cheap deal or was there some other reason to merge.

CCP kieron

Posted - 2006.11.23 16:54:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: KamiCrazy
I cannot understand why CCP would do this.

It certainly makes no sense to me, I have nothing against white wolf, and yes I have played some of their games a few years ago but this merger seems the most illogical thing ccp could do. It would of made more sense for ccp to get into the fast food industry.

My only question is, was White Wolf up for sale at any time before the merger? I guess I would like to know if CCP aquired white wolf on a cheap deal or was there some other reason to merge.

White Wolf was not in any sort of financial trouble that I am aware of. As for why? It is a merger that makes great sense. White Wolf holds the second largest tabletop RPG intellectual property in the world, only Dungeons and Dragons is larger. Not only does this provide an excellent IP to develop another MMOG, but it also gives CCP access to a creative team who has already proven their talents.

White Wolf gets another IP to base a new tabletop RPG on, a CCG, a broader market and a chance to see their premiere IP brought into the MMOG genre by a successful company with a proven track record and technical expertise.

It's a win-win for everyone involved, CCP, White Wolf, EVE players and the World of Darkness community.

KamiCrazy
Caldari
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2006.11.23 20:20:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: kieron
Originally by: KamiCrazy
I cannot understand why CCP would do this.

It certainly makes no sense to me, I have nothing against white wolf, and yes I have played some of their games a few years ago but this merger seems the most illogical thing ccp could do. It would of made more sense for ccp to get into the fast food industry.

My only question is, was White Wolf up for sale at any time before the merger? I guess I would like to know if CCP aquired white wolf on a cheap deal or was there some other reason to merge.

White Wolf was not in any sort of financial trouble that I am aware of. As for why? It is a merger that makes great sense. White Wolf holds the second largest tabletop RPG intellectual property in the world, only Dungeons and Dragons is larger. Not only does this provide an excellent IP to develop another MMOG, but it also gives CCP access to a creative team who has already proven their talents.

White Wolf gets another IP to base a new tabletop RPG on, a CCG, a broader market and a chance to see their premiere IP brought into the MMOG genre by a successful company with a proven track record and technical expertise.

It's a win-win for everyone involved, CCP, White Wolf, EVE players and the World of Darkness community.



Thank you for the answer keiron, I wish CCP success in its endeavours. I am still skeptical that this merger makes any sense, it seems almost a very extreme arrangement to just have access to each others IP.

Skarsnik
Caldari
DarkArch Corp
Posted - 2006.11.24 14:55:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: KamiCrazy
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: KamiCrazy
I cannot understand why CCP would do this.

It certainly makes no sense to me, I have nothing against white wolf, and yes I have played some of their games a few years ago but this merger seems the most illogical thing ccp could do. It would of made more sense for ccp to get into the fast food industry.

My only question is, was White Wolf up for sale at any time before the merger? I guess I would like to know if CCP aquired white wolf on a cheap deal or was there some other reason to merge.

White Wolf was not in any sort of financial trouble that I am aware of. As for why? It is a merger that makes great sense. White Wolf holds the second largest tabletop RPG intellectual property in the world, only Dungeons and Dragons is larger. Not only does this provide an excellent IP to develop another MMOG, but it also gives CCP access to a creative team who has already proven their talents.

White Wolf gets another IP to base a new tabletop RPG on, a CCG, a broader market and a chance to see their premiere IP brought into the MMOG genre by a successful company with a proven track record and technical expertise.

It's a win-win for everyone involved, CCP, White Wolf, EVE players and the World of Darkness community.



Thank you for the answer keiron, I wish CCP success in its endeavours. I am still skeptical that this merger makes any sense, it seems almost a very extreme arrangement to just have access to each others IP.


IP is one of the most valuable things any company can have. Beleive me this is a sensible move by CCP. I would have done it if I were them Wink

Lord Severenth
Caldari
Caldari 4th Division Navy
Posted - 2006.11.24 15:33:00 - [136]
 

Not to sound like a bit of a downer, and I hope it all works out, but id of thought most people would of liked more servers, more nodes, more connections, more bandwidth, more spent on staff to make less crashable, less lagable, and overall EVE better.

Helen Baque
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2006.11.24 18:55:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Lord Severenth
id of thought most people would of liked more servers, more nodes, more connections, more bandwidth, more spent on staff to make less crashable, less lagable, and overall EVE better.

I don't think most players have these sorts of problems. Yes, there's the occasional crash, but just once in a while. I was in EQ back in December of 1999 and the servers would go down for days at a time.

If you think about it, the MMORPG is only seven to nine years old, depending on whether you trace it back to UO or EQ. I'd have just said UO, but I started with EQ, so I favor 1999 somewhat. (UO was influential in ways about which UO players would be better qualified to post.)

Given that this entire genre is less than a decade old, it's fair to say that any company that can keep a server up at all is doing okay. Any company that can make EVE, continue to grow three-and-a-half years after going gold and only have an occasional crash is kicking ass and taking names. The infrequency of those crashes is even more remarkable given that CCP is constantly changing things by adding new hardware and new gameplay elements like Tech 2, agents, alliances, COSMOS, new ships, et cetera.

As for more servers, nodes and connections, those are nice -- and CCP hasn't neglected those areas; there are tons of dev posts about the new hardware that went in this year -- but having entire new gameplay systems trumps fixing the occasional crash any day. No system is ever going to be perfect, but striving for that last one percent of perfection when you could be engaging in genuine growth is just ridiculous.

Wolfmoon
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
Posted - 2006.11.24 21:19:00 - [138]
 

Aside from possibly running around in-station, I can see a far better use for full body avatars....PLANETARY LANDINGS!

There's a whole world that can be opened up (or world*s*) if you allow planetary landings. Jeez, it could be an mmo inside an mmo inside an mmo. The most immersive game ever. Something like that would really need 2 or more project teams hacking away at it.

Maybe I should keep this idea to myself if CCP hasn't had it already, lol. The possibilities are endless, with each world you land on having it's own politics, finances, industries, wars, then blending it with interaction between planets in other star systems it can get to be quite an intense train of thought. I'd love to see it. It would certainly make me forget about being limited to high sec space because I refuse to take part in low sec travel anymore (even to get TO 0.0, you can keep it all.)

Something like this would be SO immersive I'd have to just end my sub on other mmos, as this would have EVERYTHING I'd want to see, except maybe medievil kind of content, but who knows...

The question is, how long do we have to wait before something like this is finally implemented...and will I be able to even type or move a mouse by then due to old age? Lol...

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.11.24 21:22:00 - [139]
 

it has great potential - the financial and IP and technical staff combination has potential and it wil probably ensure eve survives a bit longer.

Wompus
Minmatar
Dire Trucking
Posted - 2007.02.03 17:41:00 - [140]
 

Probably been asked, but any plans for a WoD (Vampire, Mainly) MMO??????

/me crosses fingers and hopes "yes" is the answer.

Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2007.02.03 18:07:00 - [141]
 

Last I heard it was being planned.

Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
Posted - 2007.02.03 18:14:00 - [142]
 

I wonder what is worse:
Thread necromancy or asking asking a question in the retrieved thread that was actually answered already there. Razz

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.03 18:51:00 - [143]
 

Probably he is a Giovanni, so necromacy is his thing Smile.


Conuion Meow


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2007.02.03 21:25:00 - [144]
 

Necro = bad. *clicky*


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